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Discussion on Empty Stomach & Worming
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Member:
Bucky
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 - 10:32 am:
Hello-
Here is a late post to this discussion. I also had a horse who was miserable to worm and it was quite stressful for both of us. I found something called the "Easy-Wormer" on the internet. It is a drench bit developed for worming your horse. It is a plastic bit(made of surgical plastic) you put in your horses mouth, like a regular bridle. The bit has a hole in the side and you stick your wormer syringe into it and squirt it into the bit-- it is engineered to shoot it right into the horses throat, and they can't spit it out. It then has a little wand you stick into the hole to clean the hole out. I suppose it is cheating in some circles as you are supposed to get your horse to mind you, but like I said it cuts out the stress for both of us, and it definately gets it in his mouth and down his throat, not on the ground. I had a really hard time finding it and had to order it from a feed store out of state. But I told my local feed store about it and now they carry them. Here is the web link: https://www.grooma.com/easywormer.html
It works great!!
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Member:
Tangoh
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 - 12:58 pm:
Interesting concept Mandy. My only concern is, might this procedure make your horse a little 'bit shy' when being bridled?
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Member:
Jerre
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 - 1:24 pm:
This takes a while, but if you clean out an empty syringe and then fill it with applesauce, your horse will start asking for it! To begin, you might just put some applesauce on your finger and put in on his lip. Then on the outside of the syringe and just wipe it off on the horse's lip. When you can squirt in applesauce any day you try, then the one day that you deworm, the horse will think, Yuck, bad apple! but go right back to applesauce the next day and it becomes no big deal.
Then you only need to do applesauce a few days before and after you deworm.
My horses come up and open their mouths when they see a syringe, and I never even halter them to deworm.
In winter, applesauce keeps a long time, but in summer, I buy the little snackpacks, so not much is open at once. My kids scold me that I never would buy them snack packs for school lunches, but I will for the horses.
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Bucky
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 - 2:39 pm:
I have not had any problems with his regular bridle following the use of this bit. (I think they can tell the difference) but all horses are different, this is just an option and works for me, sorry but I will not guarantee it for anyone else! I will say the headstall it is sent with isn't the best, and you want to make sure it is tight in their mouth or it isn't very efficient.
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Tkranch
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 - 4:38 pm:
Another hint is to put a couple DrOps of oil in the syringe before the applesauce to keep it moving smoothly. Also, put a bit of applesauce in the tip when actually worming.
The applesauce thing works great. We did it with our Arabs and donkys. However with the donks they all learned to grab the syringe with their teeth and suck. We now worm them with a syringe that has only the amount wormer they should have so they don't get overdosed. The horses haven't done this.
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Member:
Eoeo
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 17, 2004 - 1:08 pm:
This has nothing to do with worming on an empty stomach, but I don't know how to start another thread. What I want to know is if it is permissable to worm a mare who's due date is 10 days off. I asked my vet about worming her with safegaard paste and he said you can worm them up to the day they foal. I have always tried to worm about 30 days before the due date, which in this case is Feb. 26, 2004. This mare was moved into our place and she had her vaccination on time but the worming was forgotten. What is your take on it, Dr.?? EO
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004 - 7:16 am:
Hello LKR,
Concerning how to start a new conversation: This is a discussion page with members conversing back and forth. It is the child-page of a list of discussions, and it is at the bottom of this parent that you will find the Start New Discussion button. The easiest way to the parent of this page, or any page on the site, is by going to the navigation bar at the top of this page and pressing on the link to the next page back of this pages title. In this particular case it would be Discussions Not Covered by Above Topics.
However this subject on deworming mares is handled at Equine Reproduction » Breeding and Foaling » Pregnant Mare Care and Nutrition. You will find a easily located Deworming Heading in the article that will answer your question. Note that Safequard is not on any of regular recommended deworming schedules and will not treat the milk transmitted Stomach Worm, follow the articles recommendation.
DrO
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Tatonka
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 19, 2004 - 6:34 pm:
I recently used Safegaurd for worming...but only one dose. I heard that you are to worm using it 5 days in a row? Is that true? I think I might try the applesauce trick since I used Safegaurd because I could not use the paste wormer. My first time worming....did not succeed with the paste and other alternatives are to pricey.
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Aug 20, 2004 - 7:06 am:
Debra,
I am not sure you should be using Safequard at all. I recommend you read the article on deworming to learn overall principles and the individual products available.
DrO
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Tatonka
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Posted on Monday, Aug 23, 2004 - 5:56 pm:
I did read the info....My inexperience with worming my horse did not lead to a success using the tube wormer. After reading your article I thought I would try and find out more info and try another method.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 - 7:32 am:
Debra, which deworming schedule did you choose and what kind of probems did you have deworming?
DrO
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Member:
Tatonka
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 - 3:11 pm:
I was going to use the ivermectin schedule. I was all set in July to use a tube wormer but my horses would have nothing to so with it...they are both over the age of one and we live in AZ...no pasture. Not wanting to get hurt I used one dose of Safegaurd.
I have more horse savy friends coming over on Wed. to help me give it another try with a Ivermectin tube wormer. I did not think that dosing again would be an issue since I do not think that I followed the right protocal with Safegaurd. Someone later told me to use 5 days in a row.
Any advice you could give me would be welcomed.
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 - 6:58 am:
Well that is really what the article is Debra is 10 pages of recommendations. I do think we have had several discussions on deworming misbehaving horses but I always refer folks to Training Horses » Behavioral Problems » Behavior Modification, Conditioning, Desensitization, and Counterconditioning.
DrO
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