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Discussion on Need help- thin soled mare very lame
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indigo
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 11, 2007 - 7:22 pm:
Have a mare who has been shod consistently for at least the past 5 years. We have had a LOT of rain the past couple months, and all my horses' feet are very soft as a result. Over 4th of July this mare pulled one of her shoes off (neighbors were setting off fireworks and she spooked and overstepped herself) and also pulled a fair sized chunk of her hoof wall with it. We pulled the other shoe and decided to leave her barefoot to allow her feet to grow back out, and harden enough to hold shoes. She has gotten progressively more lame as the ground has dried out. She is VERY ouchy on both front feet now, and does not want you touching her soles. She is very thin soled and has never done well barefoot, which is why we have kept her shod.
What can we do to help this mare? Farrier checked her last week and said she still can't hold shoes, and stalling her is unfortunately not an option. As I said, she is VERY lame now and I worry she might end up foundering or doing other serious damage.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 11, 2007 - 8:33 pm:
Hi Charity, I too have a thin soled horse and before he got his shoes and equithane pads on Hoof boots helped him alot. Also if you don't have boots duct taping on a soft pads helps very much too. My horse walked sound with both, but bruised his soles terribly and was lame with out them. These are the pads he lived in for quite awhile...duct taped to his feet. https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?PGGUID=0d4e9828-a708-4381-839c-4be9cd5de 3e7 You can probably find something similar at a home improvement store and cut to size.
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amara
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 11, 2007 - 8:38 pm:
i figured you were in texas before i even checked your profile...your description of the recent weather gave it away! *LOL*.. where in texas are you?
i might have the vet out to take xrays just in case... it would give some peace of mind as to the state of her inner feet...
have you tried boots?...
maybe glue on shoes? i've used the glue on's with horses who dont have a good enough foor for regular shoes and cant go barefoot for some reason and havent had much of a problem...
you'd also be amazed the difference boots make...
the footing she's in is very hard?.. we're baking in texas right now so its back to rock hard ground.. any chance moving her to slightly softer footing? even just a really well grassed pasture?..
does she grow her hoof at a normal pace?...
its pretty normal for horses who have recently gone barefoot to experience a lot of transition pain... it can take months to resolve as the new foot grows in...boots do help the transition phase if you ever decide to think about trying her barefoot for the long term... otherwise maybe think about the glue on shoes...
good luck
btw are you related to a michael caraway?
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Member:
mrose
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 11, 2007 - 9:26 pm:
Have you tried a sole hardner on her? There are several, many of them have turpintine in them. It seems like somewhere on HA there's been some discussion on which ones to use/not use. See if you can find the info with a search.
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oscarvv
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 12, 2007 - 10:41 am:
I just started using something called Magic Cushion on my horse's feet. You pack their feet with it and then I put duct tape around the hoof.
Here is some info on it - https://www.premierequinehealth.com/mchp.htm
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vickiann
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 12, 2007 - 8:17 pm:
15 months ago one of mine got a sub-solar abscess after the dry weather turned wet. My farrier suggested boric acid -- 1 1/2 tsp to a gallon of water as a soak, but of course, if it is wet, one doesn't want to do much soaking. He also suggested making a paste of boric acid and water and wrapping it. The boric acid did toughen the foot greatly. Also, my Vet. suggested a couple of products to toughen up the foot after the abscess was well drained. I only remember the name of the one that I bought, which is called "Durasole." The whole toe area of my horse's foot was extremely soft, easily yielded to finger pressure, but in only two or 3 applications it changed dramatically. I didn't even use a full ounce of the product. It contains isopropyl alcohol, formalin, iodine, potassium iodide, tannic acid and acetone. Durasole is distributed worldwide by Alvin Farrier Supply (800-936-3636), 2498 County Rd. 145, Alvin, Texas or www.alvinfarriersupply.com if the information on the bottle still applies. Good luck. When my boy was so sore and tender I also used Bute as indicated because I did not want him favoring his sore foot and perhaps causing greater complications.
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cspanhel
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 12, 2007 - 10:24 pm:
My horses had problems due to the rain this year as well. my vet recommended Jim Rickens Foot Formula. I ordered it from https://www.bigdweb.com/JIM_RICKENS_HOOF_CARE_P1934.cfm
but i didn't need to use it as the rain stopped, and the hoof problems resolved on their own. Still, she highly recommended it.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Aug 13, 2007 - 7:50 am:
Welcome Charity,
I would recommend you consider that the horse may have bruised both its soles and follow the recommendations in Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Hoof Abscesses, Bruises, and Gravels. Also see the recommendations in Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Poor Horn Quality: problems with the wall and soles for ideas to improve the quality of the horn of the sole.
DrO
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gwen
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Posted on Monday, Aug 13, 2007 - 6:45 pm:
In regards to toughening the sole, my farrier recommends sugar and betadine.
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pbauer
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 16, 2007 - 8:50 am:
Dear Charity, ( What a beautiful name. )
In the latest Stable Management publication (great magazine) (www.stable-management.com) there are two products ( haven't tried them yet ) that might be of help.
The first product listed under the title: Keep It Together
New for farriers is the Nolan Hoof plate, which is used for horses with cracks, thin walls, shelly hooves and played hooves. Made of galvanized steel, the plate wraps around the top of the hoof and is applied using standard farrier tools. The Nolan Hoof Plate is offered in several trimmed angles depending on the need of the horse, including 56, 54, 52, 48, and 45. Manufacturers say that the buildup of pressure with the plate redirects blood flow, promotes new tissue growth and positively affects capillary development. For more information, contact Hoofix Horse Care Products at 1-800-664-6662 or www.hoofplates.com~
The second product listed under the title: Growth Spurt
SBS Equine introduces Toe Growth Spray, a copper peptide complex designed to promote hoof growth. Tow Grow is topically applied to the coronet band, according to manufacturers, the copper peptides act as messengers at the cellular level to "switch on" cells that draw the nutrition hooves need from the blood supply for faster healing and growth. For more information, contact SBS Equine Products at 239-354-3361 or check out their website at www.sbsequine.com~
I checked out the websites...excellent and very informative!
If you decide to use either product...please keep all of us up-to-date 
Best,
Tonya
PS. I give, Topper and Kidder, Farrier's Formula daily...it has really helped both of them.
PSS. Both of the above products look very promising.~
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Member:
pbauer
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 16, 2007 - 8:59 am:
Forgot to add...
There are a lot of great products already listed! ... And outstanding information!
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Friday, Aug 17, 2007 - 12:22 am:
Hello Tonya,
I do not know of any physiology that makes topically applied copper switching on the cells the produce horn a possibility.
DrO
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pbauer
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Posted on Friday, Aug 17, 2007 - 5:31 am:
Dear DrO.,
Very nice to hear from you!
My Best,
Tonya
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Member:
bucky
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Posted on Friday, Aug 17, 2007 - 12:38 pm:
My horse has thin walls and I am often riding in a swamp due to the nature of the landscape here. She was always loosing shoes. My farriers way of solving the problem is to put clips on her shoes. He is an excellent farrier and you have to make sure they are put on right or they can do much damage if they pull them off. She has lost hers but it has always been when they were due to be redone and they have pulled off fine. You want to make sure you get them re-shod when they need it and avoid having them pull off. She gets two clips on each of the shoes on her front feet. Here is a link that demonstrates what he does. You can now buy the shoes, they don’t have to be hand forged.
https://www.horsekeeping.com/hoof_care_and_lameness/welding_clips.htm
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New Member:
mamatuan
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 9, 2012 - 11:31 pm:
My question is sort of related to some of these answers, but thought I would post it anyway. My 21 year old Arabian had trouble keeping weight on last fall--got his teeth floated and promptly did better. But he just had his shoes pulled and I was told that for the first time ever his hooves are somewhat brittle. I used to use Farrier's formula supplement years ago but hadn't found it for awhile. I've been giving him Millenium Gold. Does anyone think I should switch back to Farrier's Formula, or to something else if that's not found? He is barefoot now for the rest of the winter, and I'm in Oregon, where its always very wet, but that has never been an issue for him before.
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vickiann
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2012 - 4:37 pm:
Welcome, Sue.
I see that you are new to posting.
You need to start your own new discussion rather than adding onto the bottom of such an old thread.
That said, my Vet likes Farrier's Formula and I use the double strength stuff.
It is available through SmartPak (can be ordered online) and they do not charge any shipping charges for it so this is a very good and convenient way to purchase that product.
Dr. O has some good articles on here about hooves and supplements so be sure to check those out.
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frances
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 11, 2012 - 9:28 am:
Hi Vicki,
Have you noticed any poop eating from your horse since he's been on the new double concentrate Farriers Formula? It does smell kind of sweet and delicious, and my mare started doing this around the time I switched from the old FF.
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 - 3:07 pm:
Hello Sue,
Vicki is right you should start your own discussion rather than interrupting Charity's. First you should check out our article on weak soles at HorseAdvice.com » Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Wall Cracks and Thin Sensitive Soles. If you don't find the answers to your questions there scroll down to the bottom of the article and past the other discussion links to the New Discussion button and start your post there.
DrO
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vickiann
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Posted on Monday, Feb 13, 2012 - 1:37 pm:
None of my horses have ever done that although the dogs love to do so.
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