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Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 - 3:36 pm:

If anyone is interested in our continual struggle here are the links to the other 2 threads Someday Dr.O. is going to cut me off.
https://www.horseadvice.com/horse/messages/3/190163.html

https://www.horseadvice.com/horse/messages/3/240110.html

Hank and friends are being kept on about 1/4 acre pasture 24/7. We have managed to avoid founder this year and be on grass 24/7 something I thought would never happen, especially with all the rain. The grass keeps growing and there is a lot of clover in it. They are getting 3#'s of last years stemmy hay per day and a handful of alfalfa pellets. Looking at their "pasture" and the meager hay I give them they SHOULD be thin. They do move around the pasture a lot all day scrounging for grass and must be finding it! Not much exercise otherwise due to varying troubles...mostly weather. Here is a pic of Hank from this morning, he is a bit chunky but has leveled off and quit gaining. I haven't taped him for fear I would be real tempted to dry lot them! That is expensive and time consuming. If he had gotten any fatter he would have been there!



This is his 29 yo mother She looks awesome this summer, one of those b-1 bomber flies landed on her while I was taking her pic LOL got her head off the ground. Don't want to share a pic of Sam his shave job is way to embarassing.



Member:
mrose

Posted on Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 - 7:41 pm:

They look so much better Diane! They look healthy, their coats looks great, and although a little "plump" they don't look bad. Congratulations!
Member:
paardex

Posted on Monday, Jul 14, 2008 - 3:38 am:

Congrats Diane you did a great job![certainly considering the soil you are battling against]
I am starting to wonder if certain grasses/pastures if unlimited will even make a foal to fat? Little Utah seems to be following Uncle Hank... Diet already?
Jos
Member:
scooter

Posted on Monday, Jul 14, 2008 - 4:59 am:

Thanks he is "tubby" tho
I never heard of putting a foal on a diet. Hank was SOOO skinny when he was born. He plumped up very quickly tho. I wonder if they are like humans and have more of a chance of being fat as adults it they were tubby young ones.

After weaning and through his 2 yr. old yr. he stayed a little thin, then around 5 he turned into a very easy keeper even when being ridden daily he was "tubby" Wonder if it is in the genes. His mother was always fat, but VERY healthy.

How's the muzzle working for Grasse?
Member:
paardex

Posted on Monday, Jul 14, 2008 - 6:27 am:

She stood for half an hour frozen to the ground eyes wide and scared[well half an hour not eaten isn't it?]
I think I'll keep her on an hour with muzzle until she moves?
So I locked Utah and Akacja in about two acres of grass [instead of 6] when he is grown up he will be gratefull! Slim as a youngster slim as an adult?
Jos
PS Nobody looks grateful at this moment, all on 'regime'
Member:
scooter

Posted on Monday, Jul 14, 2008 - 6:58 am:

Jos, Hank did the same thing, it was rather amusing...he refused to move, sneezed a lot, and wouldn't even go out with the other 2. When he finally decided to move out to pasture he would stand there and paw and rub the muzzle back and forth in the ground, was pretty unhappy until I made the hole a little bigger and he was able to get some grass. He remained not thrilled, but at least tried with it that way and quit being depressed. He still lost weight too.
Member:
paardex

Posted on Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 - 7:28 am:

Grasse added one theatrical approach yesterday when wearing her grazing muzzle: 'I am suffocating!! I already have respiratory problems' Gurgling and sniffing for a quarter of an hour and loo and behold after that she went in the field with Cascade to 'graze' and accepted it!
Now I only have to find out how long she should wear it. Wonderful!
Thanks Sara for brining them and Diane for advice I feel I should be able to post a 'slim' picture of Grasse during the next year.
Jos
PS Should have asked HOW to make hole bigger cost one scissor two knifes and almost a finger
Member:
scooter

Posted on Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 - 7:40 am:

LOL Jos, I used a serrated knife and sawed away, I almost stabbed myself doing it.

Looking forward to skinny Grasse pics.
Member:
mrose

Posted on Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 - 10:05 am:

Me,too! She's such a pretty mare. She will be beautiful when she'd DrOpped a few pounds. I'm glad she's finally accepted the muzzle.
Member:
scooter

Posted on Saturday, Aug 9, 2008 - 8:56 am:

I have a stupid question, for some reason I can't quite figure this out.

If your horse is suppose to get say 10#'s of hay a day....does that mean in a 12hr period (a day) or a 24 hr. period (a day).??
Member:
scooter

Posted on Saturday, Aug 9, 2008 - 10:55 pm:

Disregard...figured it out
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 9:04 am:

DrO. I REALLY want to try to make my life a little simpler this winter. I have been mauling over in my mind how to do this with the fat ones.

This year I have all grass hay, that is a bit over ripe, but not what I would call stemmy or coarse. The horses like it and I am sure it would pack the pounds on them given free choice.

Their normal rations per day of this hay will be about 2 bales per what they weigh and what they should eat. (except in extremely cold weather).

I have a round bale feeder and was considering putting 2 bales in there per night, that way I wouldn't have to deal with feeding in the dark in the morning before work.

However knowing the pigs the 2 bales will be long gone before morning and I will end up feeding them anyway (out of pity).

If they eat the 2 bales and I leave them without hay during the day would that be bad????? In the winter we are talking 8 hrs. I would give them their 2 bales around 5pm. If there is a lot of snow on the ground I would probably up the amount of hay, but if there isn't they bask in the sun and paw around for grass during daylight hours. Thanks
Member:
dres

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 10:15 am:

Diane how much does a bale weight about.. ?

On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
Member:
ekaufman

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 10:25 am:

Hi Diane,

So you are essentially thinking about providing one large feeding per day instead of two smaller ones?

At my ranch, I would have three concerns-- waste, unequal distribution, and hunger tension. The waste they would likely sort out over time, but I would be concerned that your aggressive eaters would get an even greater share of the combined feeding, and I would worry also about fighting or injuries, especially during the transition period, if they are short on grass.

My non-scientific observation in years at boarding barns and at my own place is that an awful lot of horse-on-horse violence (for established herds) is associated with hunger tension.
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 10:26 am:

On average they weigh about 30-35#s, so that would be about 20#'s apiece per horse per 24 hrs. HMMMM that's plenty for them, last winter they got about 15#'s a piece when it was VERY frigid. Remember they are small, the 2 oldies would actually qualify for ponies at 14hh. Hank is about 15.1hh. It would be gone in a short amount of time tho...maybe that won't work
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 10:33 am:

Elizabeth my little herd has never fought agressivley over food. They are always on a diet and I have fed them together for years. Usually I feed them in the lean to in the winter...throw the leafs around the back and they eat very peacefully.

I HAVE seen the fights you speak of though, I'm lucky enough that my herd gets along very well.
Member:
ajudson1

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 10:59 am:

Yesterday we had to be gone all day, so I put out 2 bales plus. Put them out mid morning, in the dirt area, no pasture access. Normally my 4 get 1 in the morning, 1 in the evening. After the sun is up in the winter, and before sunset.

We ended up back home at 6, and most of the hay was gone. I was surprised they cleaned it up, it's not really great hay. And they get some pasture yet, not much to graze any more though.

So rather than put more hay out, I let them on the pasture over night. But this shows that if they get it all at once, they don't stop eating until it's gone. Ideally, I like to put half a bale out in the morning, let them have more in their stalls when I give a small amout of grain to get supplements in them, or put the other half of the morning bale out mid day if I am not doing anything with the horses.

I agree with Elizabeth's observations 100%. Given Hank's backround, I don't think it's a good idea to give all the hay at once.

Even feeding morning & night, there are long periods that they don't "graze" which is not natural but it's what most of us have to do. I hate seeing my greedy one (Gem) nibbling in the dirt for what I don't know, but she has to be busy trying to eat constantly. (she was starved when we got her)
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 11:54 am:

So as usual nothing can be made easier when owning horses
Member:
leslie1

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 12:35 pm:

hmmm, maybe a *clean* but very, very stemmy round bale. Just something to chew on basically. Put it in a bale feeder in the middle of your run-in, so they all can get to it and its covered. and then give them their nutritional stuff when its a convenient time for you?
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 1:32 pm:

Leslie I would be making myself a lot more work doing that. The pigs would stand in the lean eating, pooping, and peeing and I would have to clean out the mess. That was another reason I want to feed them the way stated above. When I feed them in the lean, they make a horrible mess of it, which in turn takes way more bedding. With the price of bedding I want them using the great outdoors as the bathroom
Member:
leslie1

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 1:57 pm:

A-HA, Ive Got It!!!!
.....make the hubby do it
Member:
leslie1

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 2:07 pm:

Curious... Are they able to eat hay with the muzzle hole cut bigger? If so, maybe feed the 2 bales and then they will have to eat it more slowly?
Member:
ekaufman

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 2:22 pm:

Hi Diane,

Maybe you could rig some haynets so they could clip safely onto your fence out of pawing range. Pre-fill at night and in the morning just walk and clip?

I have 12 horses here now (and the kid, and the full time job) so I am always looking for ways to streamline my maintenance/feeding etc..

I bought the Priefert standing steel horse feeders, tied them to my fences, and stack the hay on the other side of the fence (weekend chore), by the feeder (that way the horses can't be trying to reach the hay through the fence). Weekday feedings involve tossing flakes into the feeders. Speeds things up a lot. But I have to be careful who I put together, and prefer 2 horses to a feeder (one for each side), since it prevents bullying.
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 - 5:53 pm:

Actually I do have hanging feeders in the lean-to, but I quit using them because I noticed they coughed, sneezed, and got sore eyes from the hay falling on them, otherwise they were great.

Horses fence is electric so no hanging things there.

I did think of something that may work tho.

In the winter I use two pastures for the horses, which are separated by a gate. I could put morning hay in one pasture and evening in the other, all I would have to do is open the gate in the morning...That almost sounds too simple! I'm sure I'm missing something in the equation.
Member:
lilo

Posted on Monday, Sep 29, 2008 - 9:28 am:

Hi Diane,

I just want to mention if you feed all three horses together - even if they don't fight - you never really know how much each horse is gettting.

My gelding used to steal from my mare (by sticking his nose under the stall partition, made more convenient by him digging a hole on his side of the partition). I closed that loophole and now I have a much better idea how much each horse is getting. Some horses eat faster than others and therefore get a bigger share.

I sympathize - my gelding Jose gains weight so easily, and I have not been able to ride for almost 3 months!

Lilo
Member:
scooter

Posted on Sunday, Nov 2, 2008 - 8:59 pm:

Told Hank he was fat again and this was the look I got! It is sooo green and lush out for the beginning of Nov. We are having a hard time with this since I can't ride for awhile, I actually had to start locking them in the dry pen again. He is fat but I am keeping him under 1000#'s that really seems to be his limit before he founders!
Member:
leslie1

Posted on Monday, Nov 3, 2008 - 8:25 am:

Looks like hes batting his eyelashes at ya!
Member:
scooter

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 - 9:49 pm:

Hi all, just want to re visit this, Hank and herd are looking good this year, I brought out the tape yesterday and they weighed way less than I would have guessed. Hank looks the best he has in years, since he hasn't got laminitis and I can work him.

The 2 oldies aren't bad, the old girl Flash is staring to look really good...Sam could stand to loose more but he isn't too bad.

They are dry lotted now and have been for about a month. They get 1 flake of grass hay in the morning 2 at night (about 10lbs total for the day) Handful of alfalfa pellets watered down twice a day and I am even being nice and letting them have 1 carrot each at night

I can't tell you what a pain in the butt this is when I have 40 acres of grass available...their "horse pasture" is about 1.5 acres and they can't go out there either..I know better now thanks to you guys and my vet

Now the reason I am re-visiting this, I went to my "neighbors" today to ask them something. I had noticed since spring her 2 ponies and horse have been out to pasture...they have IR written all over them...worse then Hank.

The neighbor was in the barn when I got there, I noticed they had one small pasture all dug up with big piles of dirt. I asked her if she was remodeling the pasture kiddingly. She said no and didn't really say what they were doing.. I went in her barn where she keeps the horses stalled at night. One was foundering so bad she looked drunk if she took a step, the other was "glued" to the ground immobile. She said the pony was so bad when she put her in the pasture she laid down and ate circles of grass around her self. It was pitiful to say the least. These horses have a history of founder and are so fat they make Hank look like a tooth pick(seriously). She finally told me the pasture was dug up for the graves for the 2 ponies she was having them euthed. I bit my tongue said it was probably a good idea. She will not change her management...likes to watch the horses graze. This just makes me sick, especially when it is so preventable. She knows about Hank and how all 3 of mine are dry lotted and basically starved.(not really)

Every year it's the same thing in the spring and she can't figure out why. Last year she went on vacation and I babysat her horses...soon as she left they were dry lotted, hay cut back, no treats, put on styrofoam....she gives them a box of sugar cubes, and tons of carrots every day. Her other horse is getting VERY fat too and it is only a matter of time, he now has a huge crest, fat lumps on his rear, swollen sheath, as we were talking she was feeding him sugar lumps and carrots...sigh

Guess what with in a week I had them stablized, she came back and asked how I did that she was so thrilled with her healthier horses. I told her once again what I had learned through my experience with Hank..diet and exercise. They get over not having grass.

Anyway just wanted to get that off my chest, and remind people with Ir and/or obese horses, be careful. It is a pain in the butt to micro manage these horses when lush grass is available but you must do it....speaking from experience
Member:
kpaint

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 - 10:49 pm:

wow diane. I cannot imagine someone being so oblivious to the effects of overfeeding. Talk about killing something with "kindness"...! Food does not = love when it's excessive like that! It's abuse.

I feel guilty that I cannot let my grass Hoovers out 24/7, but not guilty enough to let them out! The pasture is very lush. I gladly spent the $ for the Slow Down Feeders (for one thing, I only have three horses...not a whole barn full!) so I could "feel better" about limiting their rations, because it takes so much longer for them to get it eaten. Two hours max is the "built up time" they have earned to be on grass and that isn't every day. Those Haflingers expand on air. I'll have to get my camera out and see about posting; they are looking pretty good weight wise.

Congratulations to you and Hank! So sorry to hear about your neighbor's animals.
Member:
leslie1

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 - 11:02 pm:

Thanks DianeE
For the first time...Spongebob is getting to be a little fatty! I have been mulling over, for the past week, to either muzzle him or just dry lotting him and feeding hay...
So thanks for lighting the fire under the rear of my behind.
PS GReat fantastic job with your air ferns:-)
Member:
scooter

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 - 11:12 pm:

Vicki one of her ponies she is have euthed is a halflinger I have never seen a horse that fat in my life...If I melded my 3 together it would be close.

He is such a nice pony too, it's really really sad. The other is a mini and sooooo cute and sweet. I almost offered to take them, but I have enough to do with my own...I do believe the halfie is salvageable...not so the mini.

She is one that quit using my vet because he told her they were fat and she needed to diet them and get them off the grass..last year.
Member:
ekaufman

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 - 11:16 pm:

Hi Diane,

Oh, blech, those little graves for the fed-to-death ponies make me very angry and sad.

But you know, I do think you did the right thing trying to educate her a bit. Sometimes people learn, even after we think they never will.

I sold a weanling to a wonderful woman who overfeeds her horses. He is now 4, and almost supernaturally obese-- fat sheath, blobby butt, wobbling crest. Finally the other day she asked me whether I agreed with her (conflict averse) vet that he could work off the weight w/o feed restriction, so I walked her through some math. The horse is probably 350lbs overweight, at minimum. If a pound of fat is 3700kcal, he needs to burn 1,295,000kcal. Soooo, how many hours of riding does she think will burn more than a million calories, especially if he's on the same diet that packed that butt on him in the first place?

She wrote me today that he is on a diet and exercise plan and very very crabby. Finally I think she realized that all that "love" might break down this young horse, and that his health is more important than how glad he is to see her/the treat in her hand. I nearly didn't get involved, because his obesity seemed so obvious to me. Now I'm glad I did.

Maybe you will save the next set of ponies.
Member:
canter

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 7:08 am:

Ack! Diane, I admire your restraint. Sounds like you tried to educate her kindly and patiently. Had it been me, I may have been tempted to wrap my hands around her neck and squeeze, shouting "What is WRONG with you??"

How sad to think of this very preventable suffering.
Member:
scooter

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 7:41 am:

I have been kindly telling her every spring, to not pasture those horses. I even showed her how to apply the styrofoam...which gave them relief immediately. How they shouldn't have so many sweets(carrots and sugar cubes) and she actually listened for a month and reverted.

She says it's because one has cushings and the other arthritis. Funny how they recover from those ailments in the winter...unless she starts feeding alfalfa, then the symptoms return.

She had one blood tested and his insulin was off the charts HMMMM.

I know it is very hard, especially when you have pasture growing up over your head and can't use it. My hubby always gives me a hard time about buying hay when there is abundant grass....I said if I want the horses to walk I will be buying hay, I also had the vet explain it to him...so he doesn't say much anymore

Hank was headed down the same road as the ponies, to tell you the truth I didn't think he was that fat! When the vet said he needed to loose at least #300-#400 I thought he was nuts! I guess when you see them everyday you don't realize just how fat they are... I now have a very good eye for it

My horses will never be thin, don't think it's possible, but they are capable of being in good weight, everytime I work Hank and see him move sooo nicely it reenforces everything. I never want to be responsible for crippling him like that again!
Member:
stek

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 12:23 pm:

Oh Diane how AWFUL. Truly makes me sick to my stomach. Let it be a lesson to us all, not just for our horses but other pets and ourselves as well. Morbidly obese dogs and cats horrify me too. In the supersize me nation we really need to open up our eyes.
Member:
jjrichar

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 1:44 pm:

Oh wow, Diane. That is awful. Thanks for reminding everyone about this. I have to watch mine really closely. They get fat so easily on the summer grass.

I wish I had someone that could put ME on a 'summer diet' LOL
Member:
jowidner

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 6:15 pm:

Oh Diane, That is so, so sad. I'm sure it must be hard for you as much as you love animals and as much as you look out for the ones that you come across on your routes.

My pasture is empty of horses this year too and I really miss seeing them out there grazing together. With Suzy foundering so badly last winter I don't dare let her have any grass this spring. And since its dry lot life for her, that means Gus can't go out in the pasture either because to separate them leads to running and running leads to injuries and sore feet. Sigh.

My solution has been to let Gus graze in the front yard near the barn. So instead of a pasture ornament I have a lawn and garden ornament. Don't worry, we pulled out the toxic shurbs, and just left the boxwoods which are safe if he was ever tempted to sample them.

I must admit it is quite fun to look out the front window and see a 1,000 lbs horse looking right back at me! My husband says that I'd let him inside the house if I could. And of course he's right. I'd love to have a housebroken mini! But I don't think that a housebroken Appendix QH would work. Unless maybe if I got a bigger house!
Member:
hpyhaulr

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 6:23 pm:

Well, Diane, thank you for this thread. I have been concerned about my kids for a while. The last time Walt was home (mid May)he commented on how Sunshine had 'filled out". That should have been my first clue. For the first time in about 4 years, we have what Jos would call 'lush grass'. We have never had this here! Their pasture was that in name only. But now, no more DrOught. I have been concerned for a while that my barn guy has not been taking instruction too well. Since I leave for work before 7 am, and he does not have a phone, I can only communicate by leaving a note for him every day. I even got it in my head one day that perhaps he cannot read, and I left very poorly drawn pictures. TIME CONSUMING!!!!
Not sure if it is a reading, comprehension or I don't give a &*^*$ issue, nor do I care. Every morning I leave him a not saying don't feed them, and I have cut their grain rations, cut their hay,and told him to put them back in the barn by 10 am (it is VERY hot and sunny) and they only get the hay I have rationed in their stalls. He has ignored every instruction. The truth is they are now bloated ticks. I would be afraid to work them out at this point that someone could get hurt.
So.... I have talked to my boss about coming in an hour later and working an hour later so I can do morning chores before coming in to work. Since I cannot get Hawk to comply, tomorrow will be his last day, I will get to see him on Saturday, and will DrOp the ax then. It is insanity to pay someone for killing my horses and ignoring my instructions. I know he cares about them, but he is killing them with kindness. I have ordered the grazing muzzles, I got a weight tape, this is war and I am getting my horses back to where they were 6 months ago.(SIGH)it may take me all summer and into the fall, but they will get there. I have to go read your other threads and Dr. O's articles, this weekend when I have a bit more time...
Member:
scooter

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 11:23 pm:

Cyndy good luck with your "war"

The horses seem to get fat so fast and it takes forever to get it off.

When I worked at the boarding barn there was a guy there that couldn't read, I didn't even realize it until I asked him to read me some feeding instructions an owner had left and he couldn't...not a good thing when you can't read the horses menu! I took over feeding after that.

It seems the grass from may- mid June is the worst around here, hopefully the horses can go out for a few hours a day soon. The heifers have the horses pasture about mowed down.

They actually don't seem to mind being dry lotted anymore. I expanded the dry lot this year and they have plenty of room to move around, I'd guess it is probably 1/3 of an acre so they don't just stand around. They move about quite a bit and aren't so bored.
Member:
ajudson1

Posted on Thursday, Jun 11, 2009 - 11:36 pm:

It's sad, feeding horses to death! I knew a lady when I was a child who loved her 2 horses to death also. They got alfalfa hay over night, buckets of sweet feed, pasture or more hay during the day, and literaly soaked with "Wipe" to keep them bug free.

Both horses went blind (wonder if the bug stuff helped with that?)and foundered and coliced numerous times before they died.

Think I will get the weight tape out tomorrow, Tango seems to be gaining, and Cody may be heavier than I think he is too.

What a problem: Too much grass on my little acreage. Too much rain too often to ride the weight off anyone! And hay too expensive to waste...sigh.

And I've been doing the 3 hours or less, a.m. & p.m., plus using temp fence to limit what they eat those grazing times.
Member:
hpyhaulr

Posted on Friday, Jun 12, 2009 - 6:25 am:

Thanks Diane,
I am angry at myself for letting it go so far. My drylot would be the round pen until the grazzing muzzles get here, and that pen is too small for all 4 of them. I'l work it out somehow. GOt to get out there to feed (Safe CHoice only) and then move them. THey will not like me much right now, but posts like Angie's, and successes like yours will keep me on the path.... I hope I hope I hope.
Member:
lilo

Posted on Friday, Jun 12, 2009 - 10:39 am:

Hi all,
I also have Horseman's Advisor to thank for alerting me to the danger of letting the horses put on too much weight. It is a miracle my mare (1/2 Arab, 1/2 Saddlebred) never got laminitis - she was seriously overweight at one time, with a crease down her back and a very cresty Neck. Her Neck is tending to crestiness anyway, even now, and she does have some pads of fat, but her ribs are showing. My vet has become very conscious of monitoring the weight on the horses he cares for, and weight tapes them twice a year during their check-ups. He was happy with their weight the last time - mare taped at 1100 lbs, the gelding at 1000 lbs.
I also have more green grass than usual at this time of the year, and they are restricted to 1 to 2 hours of grazing. Hate to see the grazing go to waste, but the health of the horses is more important.
I feed hay be weight (15 lbs for the mare per day, divided into 2 feedings, 13 lbs for the gelding) plus Purina Senior for the mare, and recently added Nature's Essentials 32 for both, about 1 lb a day divided into 2 feedings.
What they need now is exercise!!!
Lilo
Member:
scooter

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 17, 2009 - 7:47 am:

The vet went by our house Mon afternoon (not my vet) and I knew where he was headed, and what he was going to do, it really made my stomach turn.

I picked up my phone to call my vet, he actually ans. was between calls. First thing he said was how's Hank. I said very well thank you!

Told him even tho you are way too expensive, like to argue with me, I am still calling him to thank him profusely for waking me up about Hank. (told him about the ponies, which didn't surprise him).

He laughed said he appreciated the call and it made his day....which was rotten up to that point.

I also want to thank Dr.O. and you members who supported me through Hanks terrible founder and his diet...I am afraid his future was as grave as the ponies without your help & support.
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