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Discussion on Holistic Horse & Hoof Care Power Point Presentation
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ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Sep 29, 2008 - 8:05 am:
I thought this was worth sharing. 81 pages, but mostly pictures and some ads you can skip over. Takes only minutes to read; lots of good points.
https://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/hhdressage-91154-holistic-horse-hoof-ca re-laminitis-founder-equine-horses-management-ramey-strasser-jackson-pony-virtua lseminar2008-education-ppt-powerpoint/
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Sep 29, 2008 - 9:15 pm:
Angie I got through about 8 pages and found much misinformation including the average life span of horses in the wild, high heels related to chronic navicular disease, and the idea that bars "shoved up into the hoof" is a cause of pain.
DrO
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ajudson1
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 - 8:00 am:
DrO.
Well, I am trying to learn all that I can about trimming, and the "whole horse" concept of hoof care. I have no idea how long horses live in the wild, but I do know I've never ran across anything saying high heels are good. Nor are contracted heels good. And natural/barefoot trimmers say those named hoof "diseases" are the result of improper hoof trimming, and care. I don't claim to understand all the "hows & whys" at this point.
What I hear you saying as "misinformation" I think of as "misinterpetation" and that is why there is such on ongoing debate with all the different trimming methods!
I hope you went past 8 pages and found something positive!
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canderso
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Posted on Wednesday, Oct 1, 2008 - 12:40 pm:
But Angie, these guys are presenting themselves as natural trim experts. If their services are so astoundingly good, and they have such blinding insight into horsemanship, then don't you think they would use case studies and not misinformation?
Note I choose the word 'misinformation' on purpose. Saying the average life expectancy of a horse in care is 8 year and 30 - 40 years in the wild is at best sloppy research and perhaps acceptable from a kid doing a junior high school research project. But this presentation is from an organization presenting itself as an expert service provider. Under these circumstances, that's misinformation, not "misinterpretation".
I do a lot of research on the internet too - it is really tough sometimes to separate the true research and information from misinformation. For what it is worth, I will not read anything about horse care on the internet unless it was written by someone who has has a university, a recognized journal, a DVM or a very high level of qualification (that has been conferred by an independent, recognized body) attached to their name.
Check out https://www.equitationscience.com/aboutises.html
They are taking a research-based approach to looking at the various approaches to horse management...
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ajudson1
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Posted on Wednesday, Oct 1, 2008 - 1:22 pm:
I don't know what the "Average" life expectancy is WORLD WIDE. That may or not be accurate. Horses are used differently in other countries.
I wish instead of picking out a few things to pick at, try to find something positive about the presentation. I believe this is the site is put out by Strasser certified trimmers. Don't matter to me, I learned a few things. I thought it would be interesting to anyone that does their own trimming, or is thinking about more holistic horse care.
I thought DrO stopped reading on page 8 because he found "misinformation" and I think it is "misinterpted" because the page is just touching on some things, and if one were to research more, I feel one would find why those statements were there. Too bad it is not in depth more.
And there are many case studies if you research natural, or barefoot, hoof care. There were references in the presentation also.
No one knows all the reasons behind hoof "diseases", lameness issues, and other equine related problems. What is laughed at today, is accepted tomorrow.
I appreciate the link you provided and I will check that out as I love to research online also.
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New Member:
gramsey1
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Posted on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 - 10:25 am:
The fact is wild horses do not live longer than well cared for domestic horses. Implying that wild horses live longer, to support the Strasser Trim Method is misinformation.
Here is a warning that should be part of your research.
https://www.horse-canada.com/articles/HCfarrierorgwarnsagainststrassertrimmethod0 9.02.htm
and what I feel is an level headed review of the method.
https://www.thehorseshoof.com/strassercontro.html
and a link to a site with a method that I find interesting.
https://www.equinepodiatry.net/not_another_trim.html
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zarr
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Posted on Sunday, Oct 5, 2008 - 6:48 pm:
Angie, Clouds father lived at least to 28 and he is not an exception. The statement did say world wide lifespan was 8 and considering all the horses in the world that is not far off! The first thing that falls apart on a mustang after capture is his feet for a reason. Pete Ramey has gone over that rather well I thought. I'm like you I read and read to find the good not to tear apart the whole, Thanks for the article!
Guy I read yours too also Thank you! The domestic horses life span has been greatly expanded thru meds and nutrition not long ago 10 was old now perhaps 20 is old. Look at the level of knowledge Dr. O has now compared to 20 years ago tis amazing what has transpired! Strasser made us think anew about the hoof but one hoof never is duplicated so each horse, each hoof, each living condition has to be considered unique.
Like Angie I read as much as I can and have gleaned bits of knowlege from 100s of sources trying to make the best choices for my herd of four!
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ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 - 8:06 am:
I posted the link for anyone interested to read if they desired, not to get into a discussion about Strasser trimmed horses, or how long horses live in the wild.
I get so sick of people getting up in arms just because they hear the name "Strasser." With anything, you can find people 100% for it, and 100% against it based on their experiences and knowledge. The truth lies somewhere in middle.
I'll refrain from posting links to things I find interesting in the future, and just share these things with people in my address book.
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 - 9:03 am:
Now Angie don't do that, Agree or disagree I love to read about different methods .
I am finding that my self trimming mares back feet are so cool, I have been wanting to post pics, especially for you to see, I love your enthusiasm about barefoot and trimming, and thought you would find it interesting too.
Since I am on vactaion I am going to see if I can get a few GOOD shots...one is about done trimming and the other is in process. The one in process has a very square toe...still long though.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 - 7:38 pm:
Angie information exchange is best as a two way street. I would have thought you would appreciate someone takes the time to consider what you have written and write a critique from their point of view. By so doing you have new perspectives some of which you may not have considered. Consider the other point of view and where you disagree stand up and clearly explain your disagreement but don't throw up your hands: you may be right and convince someone. In short, "disagreement is good for the soul but only for those willing to learn".
DrO
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