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Discussion on Is she really a red dun?
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mleeb
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 6:03 pm:
Hi
I'm trying to register a foal I bought. The breeder and I both call her a red dun. She's the right color, has a VERY noticable dorsal stripe (quite dark red-brown) from her ears right down to the tip of her tail, and even has the zebra stripes on her front legs.
So, I'm happily filling out the papers with the words "Red dun" and I get to the box that says "mane and tail color." Hmm. Now I'm not so certain what to put. When you look at this girl from a long, or short, distance, she's one solid color, a nice red-gold. When you get up to her, you notice that the tips of her mane and tail are red, but everything underneath is solid black. So, I would say this is a black mane and tail, and there we have it, a red dun with a black mane and tail.
The problem is that I started to search the 'net for info on this before I actually wrote it on the papers, and everything I find says that red duns have absolutely ZERO black and have red manes and tails. I always thought that they could have black manes and tails, so long as they had the dorsal stripe. She's not marked like a buckskin, no dark legs, no dark muzzle, no dark tips on her ears.
So, whaddya think?
I'd post a pic, but it's such a pain trying to find the right software to shrink my jpeg down to the right size. I just don't have the right stuff for it on this computer. You'll have to take my word for it on the description. ;-)
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Member:
hollyw
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 7:37 pm:
Michelle,
Are you sure the hair is really black and not just very dark brown?
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mleeb
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 8:43 pm:
On the mane, I can without a doubt say with 100% certainty that it IS black. On the tail, I haven't looked as closely, as this filly is only just now being halter broke, and close examination of her tail won't be an option for at least a day or two.
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leilani
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 8:51 pm:
Michelle,
Here is a link to the AQHA color chart. Hope it helps. Leilani
https://www.aqha.com/association/download/pdf/ColorMarkingsChart.pdf
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Member:
sdms
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 9:54 pm:
Hi Michelle,
Here's a picture of my bay dun mare and her red dun '07 colt for reference. If you'd like, you can send me a picture of your filly and I'll resize it for you and post it. My e-mail address is in my profile.
~Sara
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juliem
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 10:01 pm:
If she's AQHA, she's a Dun. Red dun can have a variety of mane and tail colors, and the coat can actually be different than the usual red. I'll try to post a picture of my red dun--her mane and especially her tail are jet black under the top reddish hairs. I also have a colt who looks bay to me, but is registered dun as he has the dorsal stripe and his tail is not as black as the filly's. She by the way is a two year old granddaughter of Shining Spark and is for sale!! 
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maggienm
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 - 10:18 pm:
What registry are you working with? Check with the registry descriptions of the colors.
Not all registries agree with each other never mind what is on the 'net.
As suggested could she be a bay dun?
How old is she? Sometimes babies shed out their mane and or their body color and change quite a bit.
Her red body color could tone down a bit when she sheds and gets her adult color.
I once had a baby with the most reddish tinge to her whole coat, so I called her firefly, (I was 14 at the time) the filly shed out to be a golden palomino.
Could you wait a bit until she sheds without being penilized by your registry?
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mleeb
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 8:10 am:
She's almost 7 months, so I'm trying to get the papers done by that deadline, after which the cost goes up.
She's not a bay, no black legs or points. I have 2 bays to compare to, and owned a buckskin as well, so lots of comparison there.
My computer crashed while trying to access the AQHA link above, so I'm going to try that one more time. I'll also see about getting a good photo of her today that I can send Sara to post for me.
Sara, your baby there looks almost bang on what mine would like like from that angle. I think some of the darker tails hairs would show through, though. And add in a fuzzy winter coat!
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mleeb
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 8:21 am:
Ok, here's something I just noticed. On my fridge is the christmas card from my friends family, they're all on horseback, turned and looking over their horses tails to smile at the camera - a great shot!
My friend rides a registered red dun. The horse has a tail that is red on the top half, with bottom half where the long hair shows through, being solid black. This is what I think I'm going to end up with on my filly.
Again, I'll try and get a good pic today. It's finally warm out!!
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maggienm
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 8:35 am:
Sara, your baby is just beautiful, her heart marking on her face is perfect.
Michelle, your foal probably is a red dun, I have seen chestnuts with quite a bit of black in their mane so it follows a red dun could have black.
But...a wild bay doesn't have black legs.... te he
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Member:
sdms
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 10:27 am:
Thanks, Lori. That's a colt that would be two this year. We sold him last year. I should really check in and see how he's doing. I've only had that mare for two foals, third coming in June, and both have had stars on their foreheads even though she doesn't.
Michelle, you know that you can always register her as red dun and if, by chance, she does change drastically you can have the papers changed. I know there's a fee but I don't think it's too terrible. I also know people that register their horses one color then when they change they don't bother changing the papers...even when showing at high levels. I watched the AQHA world versatility finals at the stock show and there was a mare that was registered blue roan but was absolutely grey...no way you'd look at her and see blue roan at all!
If you can get that picture today I can post it this evening. I'm sure you'll get lots of advice then!
~Sara
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mleeb
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 5:16 pm:
Sara, I sent you 4 pics. Thanks for your offer to post them for me.
Btw, that 07 colt of yours is a real looker.
Leilani, I've tried the AQHA link, but my .pdf manager and I are not getting along, and it only opens what it feels like opening. So far, everything I've obtained for the AQHA I've had to get someone else to download.
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Member:
sdms
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 6:18 pm:
Thanks, Michelle. My husband really fell for that colt and was sad when we sold him. But he was actually very straight through his pasterns and I didn't think he'd have been a very comfortable ride. You can't keep them all!
Here are the pictures you sent. Based on these I'd have to take the chance registering her as red dun. It's always tough to pick color on babies since they'll probably change two or three times before you ever ride them!
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Member:
maggienm
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 8:06 pm:
That looks pretty typical red dun to me.
and I say good for you for being particular.
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Member:
mleeb
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 - 9:20 pm:
It's nice to have a second opinion, especially after so many websites that kept saying "no black."
I think I'll put "red/black" on the part where it asks mane and tail color, and see if they accept it that way. I think today I finally got enough pictures of her to acurately describe the marking on her upper lip. I must have taken 100 pictures in the last week just trying to get a clear picture of her nose -- thank goodness for digital cameras!
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leslie1
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Posted on Monday, Jan 19, 2009 - 12:00 pm:
What a beauty!
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erika
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Posted on Monday, Jan 19, 2009 - 7:19 pm:
cute girl! I have a chestnut mare whose mane and tail are quite dark, almost black underneath.
Here's her tail:
But she doesn't have black points so not a bay, I think your filly's mane and tail are probably extremely dark chestnut colored like mine, but with that stripe--I say yours is definitely red dun.
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mleeb
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Posted on Monday, Jan 19, 2009 - 10:06 pm:
Well, now if I could just get a decent 3/4 front on, head up, all 4 feet visible, no halter, and no other horses in the picture shot of her, then I could have the picture I need for the darn AQHA papers. That may be impossible, but I'll try tomorrow. If I can't get it then, I'm sending in what I have already --- about a million pictures of her left nostril and the crazy white pattern that runs through it!
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Member:
mrose
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Posted on Monday, Jan 19, 2009 - 10:38 pm:
 Michelle! I guess getting those photos is about as easy as getting those videos and photos to send to people that are interested in buying a foal! At least you've got a nice friendly, curious horse!
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