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Discussion on Old mare not eating - continued fr. Pigeon Fever post
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 10:52 am:
I've moved this because Beau doesn't have Pigeon Fever.
Dr.O, he thought she hadn't responded to her starting dose of .5ml and that I should try upping it in .25ml increments until I hit a level that seemed to help her, waiting a week between each increase. I just have this little voice in the back of my head wondering if this is the right thing to do in light of her not eating. Reading articles on Pergolide, I read that if the dose is too high the horses will develop anorexia as a side affect. I guess I'm trying to find out if the lack of appetite is caused by the liver problems and not the pergolide. Her appetite has been very picky and slowly declining though for quite some time. I've posted on HA about it before. I took her off Pergolide entirely (weaned her off) back in early spring and it seems to me her appetite picked up for awhile, then declined again. Both our local vet and the vet in L.V. immediately said Cushings just by looking at her, not through testing.
Sometimes I wish vets were more straight forward or outspoken. "you need to do this, this and this" Our vets here seem so kind of vague; either that or I'm really dense or don't listen right. I often come home feeling more confused instead of with a "game plan."
I appologize for kind of rambling, but I guess what I need to know is: Is the kidney/liver problem the result of something else? Is it something that can be improved, esp. in the light of her current poor eating? Is the Pergolide part of the problem or will it help her? Is there something I can do to help this mare have another good year or two, or should I give up, feed her whatever I can get down her, and try and keep her happy, making peace with the fact that she only has a short time to live?
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rtrotter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 11:31 am:
Sara,
You have posed a lot of questions in this new thread, but I think you really have answered yourself, what the right thing to do is.
To me this is a quality of life, end of life issue for an old friend.
Whenever I have to make a this kind of difficult decision, I ask myself one question. Am I keeping this animal alive for the animals sake or for my sake.
Given all the factors involved here, I think you can honestly answer that question and already have.
It's tough, I know it, I've been there myself.
My prayers are with you, Beau and the rest of your menagerie. I wish you only the best.
Rachelle
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 1:09 pm:
I've been there myself many times also, Rachelle. I know she doesn't have much time. I just want to be sure I am doing everything I possibly can for her. I'm not going to put her on IV's for a temporary fix.
With people there is hospice care, various types of specialists, nursing homes, alzheimer's wards, caregiver support groups, etc. With animals it's basically just you and hopefully your vet. If an animal is in a lot of pain, if it's an accute situation, the answer is usually simple. When it's a slow, gradual thing; when there are ups and downs; when there is still a light in the eye and the animal still has "attitude" the answer isn't as easy.
Last night and this morning she ate some of her hay, some rice barn with whey, a couple of cups of crimped oats. When I went out to feed this am. she stuck her head expectantly out the feed door. When she got her hay, she immediately started eating. A couple of hrs later I saw she had eating maybe 1 lb of it. I gave her rice bran with oil and whey. She isn't used to the whey and threw her dish around and stomped her foot, bobbing her head - obviously irritated that this wasn't what she expected. She later re-eaxamined it and when I left the barn was eating it. Is it time to put her down? I don't think so; not yet. Can I do more to help her in the meantime? I guess that's what I always want to know.
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 2:19 pm:
Sara, I hate what you are going through. I guess I am of the optimist party. I always TRY something, actually Many things first before even giving up hope. For the last couple years I have scrutinized my old mare before winter and to tell you the truth there were a couple times I thought maybe I should put her down so she doesn't have to endure another harsh winter and EVERY year she fools me and manages just like a "normal" horse. I have thought about having blood work done on her to see how things are going, but decided against that also, I figured most old horses her age probably have something wrong with them, and if I knew I would treat her differently and worry myself to death! She can tell me.
If I were in your situation I would throw caution to the wind and try everything I know that may help her...as far as feed ect. Beau will tell you when she's had enough, until then treat her like a picky old horse, people might think this is wrong, but they can pick up on our optimism and sometimes it helps them, especially when you have a close relationship as you do with Beau.
When Sam went on pergolide I saw an improvement in 3 days...I did have to play with his dosage. If you upped her to .75 it may or may not ruin her appetite further, but could it be worth a try??? She may be of the type that needs more, or less, I guess there is only one way to find out, you just have to weigh the risks to the outcome.
Good Luck I hope Beau surprises us all!
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dres
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 2:48 pm:
HUGE HUGS coming your way ..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 2:59 pm:
Sara as far as the pergolide I thought I'd mention that the liquid version supposedly looses it's "punch" after 35 days, just in case you were using left overs from spring.
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shirl
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 3:23 pm:
Sara, if she's still stomping her feet at not getting what she wants, she's "not done yet". :o)
You'll know, she'll "let you know". I agree with Diane, try what you feel might help and go from there. If she stops eating regardless of what you give her, she's telling you "I'm done, please help me go to greener pastures". Again, love and prayers,
Shirl
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ekaufman
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 3:54 pm:
Hello Sara,
It's too bad that your communication with your vet hasn't been more helpful. My vet is one of my best resources in these situations.
One thing I've noticed dealing with inappetance is that some horses seem to get worse as I start offering them more new and strange things. So I try to discipline myself to keep it simple, and offer them safe, familiar choices that they've liked in the past. If she doesn't like whey, take it a-whey-- it isn't going to make a life-or-death difference.
In the situation you describe, without an acute event, I'd probably do as you're doing and give her some time. Of course, I don't know her and can't see her, so I'm certain that you are her best advocate, and will make good choices for her as the situation becomes more clear.
This is one of the very hardest parts of owning and loving horses. I'm thinking of you and hoping for whatever the best might be.
-elk
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rtrotter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 4:20 pm:
Sara,
It seems Beau picked up her appetite after her trip to the vet, maybe she's bored and needed to do something different to perk her up.
Is there anyplace close by you that you could take her every once in a while that she might like?
I also agree with everyone else, when she stops stamping her feet and giving you a 'tude' you'll know its time.
I didn't mean to sound so morbid, but I have seen a lot of people go to far in trying to take care of a too far gone animal (unfixable broken hock destined to be stall bound for the rest of his life, or the one with stomach cancer). There comes a point ( and only you know when that is) when you have to say enough is enough.
Beau will let you know.
Rachelle
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vickiann
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 4:25 pm:
Sara,
Low protein diets are generally suggested when liver function is poor -- and smaller, more frequent meals.
I've known many humans whose taste buds were affected by their physical condition, causing their favorite foods or drinks to suddenly taste very bad, so I don't think that it is a bad idea to try new foods that might appeal to Beau.
Also, I wonder whether it would be worthwhile to give an herb, such as milk thistle, which is supposed to help liver situations.
Here are a few links:
https://www.myhanksdepot.com/product/az118-h
https://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-practice-news-columns/complementary-me dicine/milk-thistle-shows-promising-applications-in-treating-liver-disease-cance r.aspx
https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4963883/Main/496 2329/
Another thought for stimulating the appetite might be a steroid shot of some kind?
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 4:27 pm:
Thanks all. I talked to my local vet late a.m. and he thinks there isn't anything I can do except keep her as happy as possible until I know the time is right; which is what I've concluded also. As I said, I just want to be sure I'm not missing something and am doing all that I can.
Diane, the old Pergolide is certainly something to be aware or, but what she is getting is ordered for her each month by our vet.
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paardex
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 4:39 pm:
Sara I do not think you are pushing Beau for your sake. She has so much will on her own [bet that is what saved Libby] I bet she still enjoys you fussing over her and all the different treats. To me she seemed the type of horse that is like that.
If only you had been given a reason for her 'multiple whatever'failure it would be probably easier to know what to do and what not. The only thing you can do in this situation is go with your guts. If you feel no pergolide or a lot go for it. You will see the result immediately and recognize good or bad. No other way to go I guess without more scientific explanations.
And then, if you know the days are numbered perhaps you would give her what she wants anyway good or not good.
And sick or not I am convinced both Beau and Austin are still happy, you would have taken action if they weren't
Jos
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 5:08 pm:
Rachelle, you may be on to something. She was funny when I took her to the L.V. clinic. We got there a little early, so I unloaded her and started grooming her, picked out her feet, offered her water etc. She acted like she thought she was going on a trail ride and seemed pretty irritated with me when we walked into the clinic instead. She'd never been down there before so I don't think it dawned on her she was at a vet's until she went into the clinic.
Vicki, I'll look up the sites you posted.
Jos, No one at the health food store could figure out what the herb was until I think it was Erika sent me an email with the common U.S. name: Goldenrod! I can't believe the owner of the health food store couldn't figure it out.
I've ordered some stuff from Platinum Performance for both her and Austin. It won't hurt, and might help.
I am not a believer in keeping a horse (or human) alive out of my own selfishness or inability to make a tough decission.
Just the moral support of you all is good. It's difficult to know you're close to loosing two of your best friends so close to each other.
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lilo
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 7:03 pm:
Thinking of you, Sara, and of Beau and Austin. You have gotten a lot of good advice and I have nothing to add. Just that you are in my thoughts.
Take care,
Lilo
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 7:22 pm:
Sara,
It's not just you and your vet; you have many HA friends here praying for your Beau, and for you during this difficult time.
I understand completely making sure no stone is left unturned before saying "it's time." You will know when the time is right, and until then we're here for you.
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leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 8:19 pm:
((((((Some more big huggs)))))
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paardex
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 9:50 pm:
Sara Goldenrod tastes bad, that's why I used the tincture[no dilutions just the first tincture] Especially with Beau already eating bad. Tea with honey might work though[goldenrod tea I mean] It is sold on ebay under it's latin name Solidago.
Jos
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paardex
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 9:51 pm:
Sorry I meant to say the tincture is sold on ebay.
Jos
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 10:11 pm:
Sara did the vet give any suggested restrictions on Beaus diet.
I know I have read MANY MANY times that calf-manna, by manna pro will get even the fussiest horse to eat. It is rather high in protein % wise, but it may be worth a try if it is ok to feed some. It should be easy to find in any feed store...we even have it around here. supposedly the anise oil stimulates appetite(it does smell good) I know when we have a sick calf that won't eat they will gobble this stuff up.
https://www.mannapro.com/calf-mannaTD.htm
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 10:39 pm:
At this point both vets said to just feed her whatever she'll eat. We have MannaPro at the stores here,too. I thought about getting it the other day, but passed on it thinking I'd try the whey, which is also high protein. I bought fruit flavored whey, thinking she'd like the fruit taste; guess I was wrong.
Today she ate some oats,had her Red Cell, then grazed on the pasture, which she hasn't done in ages. Mostly she's just been standing there. I kept checking on her, and her nose was down and her mouth busy most of the time, just like the other horses. When she came in , she had another lb of plain crimped oats, and I just gave her another when I did barn check, which she was eating when I left. She had a couple of cookies also.  So, a good day for her. Her legs were swollen again, though, although not as badly as the other day. I didn't get into town for the Goldenrod since Lonnie was gone all day and I didn't want to leave my other patient, Austin, alone incase he needed out or had a second stroke. He ate better today also, but is still very wobbly and weak.
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 5, 2009 - 11:46 pm:
Sara, I'm sorry to hear about all the troubles with Beau and with Austin. Sounds like right now she's eating some and still social with the other horses. You are kind to give her palliative care and be willing to ease her transition when the time comes. Has she had a good long life?
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mrose
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Posted on Friday, Nov 6, 2009 - 12:30 am:
Yes, Susie, she's 28. She was given to me by my parents to replace my first Arab when he was getting too old to ride. I've had her for 26 years.
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Posted on Friday, Nov 6, 2009 - 12:49 am:
In my personal experience with my old mare, her appetite was totally gone before we started the Pergolide. I know that inappetence is listed as a side effect, but my mare began to eat again 3 or 4 days after pergolide was started. She was started at .5mg and went to 1mg in a couple of months. 1.5 the next year, and 2mg the following year. She's been at 2mg for nearly 3 years now....she's thirty. I can't tell you how close we were to putting her down.
But this is only my mare. I have no idea how Beau's system works. Just wanted to let you know that her refusal to eat was a symptom for my mare ( along with many classical others ), not a side effect from the Pergolide.
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canter
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Posted on Friday, Nov 6, 2009 - 7:11 am:
Sara, I will second Diane's reco of calf-manna. It couldn't hurt to try. At my barn, we had a TB mare come in 2 years ago, very thin. The owner (a small animal vet) and the BO decided to try calf-manna on my trainers reco and the mare started to slowly put on weight. Today, Lily looks beautiful, bright eyed and shiny. Another geriatric (30+) horse was put on it early last summer. He had become very picky in what he would eat, but they could find nothing wrong with him. He started to look like skin and bones so the BO tried the calf manna. When he died (other causes), he too had filled out and his coat had become soft and shiny again.
In both cases, the calf-manna was added to a complete feed. When I grabbed some by mistake one day to feed my mare (she most definitely does NOT need the extra calories!) she ate it like it was all of her favorite things rolled into one. It seems to be very appealing to most horses.
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Nov 6, 2009 - 7:44 am:
Hello Sara,
Often veterinarians are indecisive because they don't kinow either. But following a good history, examination, and understanding of the clients goals they ought to give you their best guess in all cases. It sounds like he has done this.
Often the problem I see is that the veterinarian does not explore the goals of the client thoroughly enough. Often this has much to do with the next best step as does the problem itself. Where it gets really tough for the veterinarian is when the client is uncertain themselves about their goals. It sounds like this has been addressed now too.
DrO
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mrose
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Posted on Friday, Nov 6, 2009 - 9:41 am:
Thanks,Lee. You're the first person that has said lack of appetite could be a symptom. Everyone else and everything I recall reading mentions lack of appetite as a side effect of the Pergolide.
I've upped her Pergolide to .75 as of last night, and I'll pick up some Calfmanna when I go into town today and give it a try.
Dr.O, thank you. You may be right. I always tell the vets that my primary goal is what is in the best interest of the animal; I want them comortable and with as good a quality of life as possible. I want to prevent suffering.
We'll see how today goes. I'm concerned today about Austin. He was breathing very rapidly last night and hasn't gotten up yet this a.m. although he's watching me walk around. I'm going to try and get him up and see if he can still move soon as I finish my 1st cup of coffee. He's gotten lazy as he's gotten older, so it's hard tell.
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Nov 6, 2009 - 4:56 pm:
Sara I think when I asked Dr.O. the reason he usually prescribes pergolide in Sams thread, his ans. was weight loss and depression. The thing about pergolide it seems to be trial and error to get the right dosage. Sam had diarrhea on .75 and it didn't seem to help him at .50 I settled between .65 and .7 and that seems perfect for him at this time...I know little difference, but it did seem to matter.
Let us know how the manna pro works many of us may be facing this dilemma at some point.
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 7, 2009 - 12:25 am:
Hi Sara,
I wish that I had some pearls of wisdom to share but none have been forthcoming. I know that you take wonderful care of your animals and I'm sure that you will make good decisions for them. My two old ones did very well on Pergolide, so I hope that it helps Beau. Best wishes for her and Austin.
Jo Ann
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mrose
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 2:09 pm:
Thought I'd update. We lost Austin on Friday at noon. He'd been sleeping in my office next to our beDrOom all morning. When I went into the B.R. he tried to follow and had a severe stroke. I called the vet and the tech was here in about 5 mins. I held him in my arms, and Lonnie and Troy were here when Cris gave him first Rompum, which relaxed him, then his final shot. It was very peaceful and as good as it could possibly be. He will be greatly missed. Out of habit I look for him to follow me out the door, or back in, as I have for years.
Beau is holding her own. She greats me in the a.m. looking expectant like I'll have something she really wants to eat, but will eat almost nothing. She won't touch the MannaPro, Ultium, senior, Safe-choice or beet pulp no matter what combination or what they are mixed up with. She will sometimes eat maybe a lb. of rolled corn or crimped oats - very slowly. She gets 2oz of Red Cell by syringe, .75ml of Pergolide orally, and is getting the herb goldenrod to help with edema in her legs. I open her gate in the a.m. and she trots (!) out making the front of the other stalls her first stop - making sure the other horses know she is out and free. She then heads out to the fields. I've left all the gates open so she can wander from field to field. She nibbles here and there, and nibbles on the front lawn. It drives the other horses crazy, which she loves.  I don't know how much she is actually eating, but it's evidently enough to keep her going a little longer, although each morning I go to the barn thinking it will be her last day.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 2:46 pm:
Deepest sympathy, Sara, for the loss of your beloved friend, Austin. It really is tough when those who have been such a huge part of our daily lives for a long while are gone from our midst.
Beau sounds as though she is continuing to enjoy herself, and I hope that her appetite will pick up and that she will experience enough healing to be with you for some time yet.
I wonder whether she would eat anything like the Triple Crown Safe Starch grass forage, which is highly palatable and digestible.
Is she on the Red Cell because her blood is low?
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 3:28 pm:
Sara my condolences on Austin.
Sounds like Beau is having fun irritating the other horses...that's always a good sign. I hope she continues to be obnoxious. There are soo many feed stuffs to try I guess it could be overwhelming. Have you tried offering the stuff by itself rather than mixed with other feed, she may prefer one but don't like the other. I know my old mare thought beet pulp was great stuff for about 6 mos. then decided no matter what I added to it she wasn't going to eat it! (have you ever tasted that stuff?) YUCK feels like eating a wad of paper with no flavor, no wonder the geldings hate it I got a belly ache after my taste test! Not saying it isn't good feed, but in people terms it's really bad
I hope Beau continues to bring a smile to your face for awhile longer, as I said I thought my old girl had 3 feet in the grave a couple a times and came back strong and feisty..
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canter
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 3:32 pm:
Sara, my deepest condolances on the loss of Austin. I hope that you take comfort in knowing he passed peacefully at home with those he loved and who love him.
Fran
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erika
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 3:46 pm:
Aw, Sara, I just logged in to see that Austin has left you, and I am so sorry to hear that. Glad you realized it was time and were there for him. I've been traveling and wondered how all the animals are faring.
Hope Beau finds something she likes to eat.
Erika
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paardex
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 3:49 pm:
So sorry You two lost Austin Sara. He was such a nice old guy.
Beau'd better behave and keep torturing the other horses a bit longer
Jos
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 4:01 pm:
My deepest condolences on Austin, Sara.
DrO
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shirl
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 5:11 pm:
Sara, so sorry about Austin. Deepest Condolences.
Shirl
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rtrotter
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 5:28 pm:
Sara,
I am so sorry for your loss, he is no longer in pain and he had you until the very end.
Remember the good times.
Rachelle
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 5:56 pm:
Sara,
I am sad to hear about Austin, and I send my condolences. It sounds like he was a buddy and sid-kick, and that he could count on you to do right by him. I hope that he had a good long life.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 9, 2009 - 11:51 pm:
I'm so sorry about Austin, Sara.
I hope Beau keeps up her attitude. That's always a good sign.
(((Sara and family)))
Jo Ann
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cheryl
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 8:36 am:
So sorry you lost Austin - they just don't live long enough. But like the little kid said - dogs don't have to stay here as long as we do cause they get it right the first time.
Have you tried dried molasses over Beau's feed? My horses absolutely love that stuff - since it's real flaky it sorta filters through the rest of the feed. If you sprinkled water over her hay and then sprinkled the dried molasses over the hay she might start eating the hay. With her Cushings you wouldn't be able to use much of it but if she likes it - it might be a way to get some food down her.
Being yours - your animals have been blessed - and in being their's - you have been blessed.
Cheryl K
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stek
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 10:43 am:
Hugs Sara, sorry to hear about Austin. Glad you were able to be there for him and help ease him across the bridge.
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 11:28 am:
Cheryl, I totally agree about being blessed to have our animals. Lonnie said that people always commented that Austin was such a lucky dog to have been found out in the desert by Lonnie. But, he felt we were the lucky ones because Austin added so much to our lives.
I've bought regular molassas and watered it down and lightly mixed it in with her feed. The first time I did this, Beau thought it was wonderful. After that, she refused it. She seems to prefer plain rolled corn one meal and crimped oats the next meal.
She ate ALL of her hay (a very small flake) last night and her pound of oats!
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frances
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 3:01 pm:
Very sorry to hear about Austin, Sara.
But very glad to hear Beau had an actual meal last night. Perhaps this is the turning point...hope so.
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ekaufman
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 3:54 pm:
Oh Sara, sorry for your loss of Austin. Dogs leave such an air gap when they go. Sounds like Beau is hanging on and, more importantly, still enjoying some quality of life.
How is her weight and overall condition? Amazing how some horses can nibble enough to maintain themselves, even if we can't get them to eat a "square meal." Very glad you have the grazing option for her.
- elk
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 4:06 pm:
She's DrOpped a lot of weight since the pictures I posted in August. She looks very old to me. If it weren't for her winter hair, she'd really look thin I think. However, she is moving pretty good. She was dragging for about a week, but has picked up since I'm just turning her loose. Some of the dragging could be mental; she really loves getting away with something and enjoys flaunting it in front of the other horses.
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lilo
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 7:38 pm:
Sara - my condolences on the loss of Austin. He was surrounded by those who loved him at the end. But, it must be hard.
Happy to hear that Beau is grazing. As long as she enjoys moving around and nibbling on the green stuff, it seems that she has not lost her interest in life.
Good luck - I can sense how hard this is for you.
Take care,
Lilo
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cheryl
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 8:47 am:
Sara - I should have clarified - the horse I was trying to put weight on did not like molasses drizzled on her feed - but she loved the dried molasses - don't know why - course she was a very snooty Lady
I've always felt in the animal owner equation - I was the lucky one. Don't know what I would do with out the animals in my life. It's so hard to lose them but life without them would be unimaginable -
Cheryl K
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klowe
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 3:32 pm:
I feel for you too, Sara...the clear-cut crises are awful but pretty simple, but the slow decline is very hard for us humans to deal with. At least that's true for this human, anyhow!
I know you have Beau's well-being at heart, and will do the right thing at the right time. I am sorry to hear about Austin. My dogs are both 11 and I am dreading the day I lose one of them, never again two the same age!
But I'm with Cheryl, life without animals wouldn't be worth living, despite the inevitable losses. And if there ever was a support group for the the owners and old/and or ailing animals, HA is it! It's hard to deal with all the people who think of animals as just another form of possession...since all of us know who possesses whom!
Anyhow, take good care of yourself as well as Beau.
Kathy
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paul303
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 11:50 pm:
God bless Austin, and you and Lonnie, Sara.
I've had some pretty old guys. One died at 38, and the other was around forty. They both went through "refusal to eat" periods. They were both fairly happy at the time....their body weight didn't seem to depress them or bother them. I, of course, went through hell. They were offered a smorgasboard of delights....but, when they began to pick at feed, it was sweet feed first, then, Equine Senior....then, soaked alfalfa cubes.
The entire time that they were refusing feed, they were happy to engage in grass consumption. Although they only had their front incisors, they managed to chop the grass off and, I guess, suck it to death, because...like hay...they quidded it. However, after being on the grass, their manure turned green, so I guess that they got something out of it. I will also admit to grating carrots and apples to spread on their feed also....
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 12:34 am:
She had more edema again today and was moving slower than yesterday. She stood behind the house out of the wind until it dawned on me the wind was probably bothering her eyes, so put her fly mask on and she walked out to the fields. She nibbled off and on during the day. She did eat her oats with vitamins and oil and a couple of apples. She hates the herbs I give her for the edema and tries to out-manuver me when I try to give them to her. I set more corn, oats, hay and cookies out for her for the night and will see in the a.m. what she ate. I worry about the next couple of days as it's going to be cooler and rain/snow.
I'd think she'd like the sweet stuff also. Am amazed she doesn't like the senior; she's always loved it. The vets both said that usually horses with liver problems want very plain food, so I guess that's why she prefers the plain crimped oats and rolled corn over sweeter feeds. I've had older horses also, but never one that wouldn't eat. I've never had anything (or anyone) that wouldn't eat for more than a day or so at a time.
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 7:30 am:
Sara all you can do is give her what she likes, the cold and wet are always a worry with the older ones.
Flash quit eating once and for once fat horses came in handy, because when she came off her strike she was skinny. She didn't even want grass, only thing she would eat was thistles and carrots and apples. About a half of a leaf of alfalfa hay....just the leaves. Her bloodwork came back with something funky going on with her liver also, with infection indicated.
Banamine was the only thing that made her eat well for weeks. Of course this isn't indicated if the kidneys are involved I don't think. Soon as Flash had her banamine she would eat like she was ravished, then go back on strike until her next dose. Have you tried banamine, if the vet ok's it? Is she drinking well? I had the vet give the banamine IV, then went to oral, didn't want her neck getting sore from IM to add to the problems.
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 10:41 pm:
Sara if she hates the herbs I wouldn't feed them.It probably hurts more then it helps.
By the way I found the dandelion leaves sold in the supermarket sold as a salad! Bet she would like them!
Jos
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Posted on Friday, Nov 13, 2009 - 10:35 am:
Her edema was so bad yesterday I was ready to have her put down. Her legs were swollen and there was a "shelf" under he belly about an inch thick. Her eyes were still bright, which slowed me down in the decission, and the vet was out of town on farm calls. By late afternoon, she was doing better. This a.m. she looks much better, and when I left her stall door open for a minute, which I always do when I'm filling her feed pan, she blew out the door at a brisk trot and was out by the little 3 stall shed row eating loosed hay right in front of the other horses' noses; very pleased with herself. Because it is snowing, I brought her back in and she was eating her oats with oil when I left the barn. The next few days of crummy, wet weather will probably "tell the tale."
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Posted on Friday, Nov 13, 2009 - 2:04 pm:
Sara, she is one tough cookie and you are a wonderful "mother". One day at a time.
Hugs and prayers,
Shirl
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 9:14 am:
Arabian horses have so much heart.
When Lance was so deathly ill with severe anemia (and extreme swelling problems) last year I think that my Veterinarian and a neighbor often thought he had seen his very last day.
What a tough ordeal it was, with the conditions changing constantly. A roller-coaster ride that lasted so many weeks.
I believe that many other horses would have simply given up. A year post-recovery he is doing great.
Hoping the best for Beau too.
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 10:15 am:
Wow, Sara! That horse has a lot of heart. I just wish you could find a way to make her more comfortable. She does seem to know what she wants, however.
Best wishes,
Take care,
Lilo
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 11:01 am:
Vickie, I remember about Lance. It's the up and down that's so hard. I'm so glad he's still doing good. This girl does have heart. When she was younger, if you'd asked her to go to the moon she'd have given it her very best shot. Even today she'd probably literally die trying; and yes Lilo, she's sure opinionated.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 1:43 am:
My sweet old girl is gone.
In spite of the cold wind and snow showers, she really wanted out, so I blanketed her and opened her door. She spent several hours tormenting the other horses by nosing around in the hay cart and wandering around nibbling on dead grass.
About 4p.m. I led her into the barn and gave her some corn; she ate just a few mouthfulls but no hay. I fed at 5, and she looked like she wanted something, but all she'd eat is chopped carrots. I did barn check at 8:30 and she ate some more carrots, nosed at her hay and oats but didn't eat, then laid down, like she normally would to rest. She does that every night, so I told her good night and went in the house. A couple of hrs. later I just had a feeling I needed to check on her. Lonnie offered to go, but I wanted to so he went with me. She was dead in her stall. It didn't look like she had struggled at all. I am so thankful and grateful for that. I was so afraid she would thrash, colic, etc. and I wouldn't be able to get the vet in the middle of a Sat. night. I feel almost grateful, weird. I loved her so much and will miss her so. I am just so glad she went as she did and will be at peace. I hope there's a lot of good, green grass in heaven. Surely, being heaven, she can eat all she wants without worrying about Cushings or any other ill effects.
Goood-bye my girl; you were a wonderful, true friend. You were honest and trustworthy. You gave me so much, and taught me so much. I was blessed to have you.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 5:54 am:
My condolences Sara, your post brought tears to my eyes. Sounds like Beau went peacefully, and she knew you loved her.Huge Hugs to you.
GodSpeed Beau
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 6:13 am:
Sara, I'm so sorry for your loss, but what a wonderfully peaceful way she went. After a long happy life, at home, with every care being shown to her, without a struggle. I wish the same for all our horses, and for us too.
I think you're right to feel grateful. They, and we, all have to die eventually, and Beau did it in the best way possible.
All the same, you must feel devastated - big, enormous hugs.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 7:42 am:
Sara, I know you are drenched in loss, but what a blessing to the both of you. You were not forced to make the decision that would have been so hard for you. Beau did things her way, in her own time - as usual. The loss will never go away but it will be tempered with all the great memories Beau gave you. I'm so sorry for you but so proud of Beau.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 7:50 am:
Sara,
This has been a really tough week for you and your post brought me to tears. My condolences to you and your family and all those people whose lives have been touched by Beau and you.
Even in death Beau wanted to take care of you, the sign of a really good horse friend. She went quickly and did not suffer. She is with Austin and the two of them can walk over the rainbow bridge together.
With love to you and sadness on their passing.
Godspeed Beau and Austin
Rachelle
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 8:33 am:
so sorry to hear of Beau's passing but glad she went peacefully. (((sara)))
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 8:40 am:
Sara,
Tears for you this morning, and a big (((HUG))).
Beau left this world with dignity, and love for you; fooling you until the last moment by eating and being strong. She didn't want mom to worry it seemed, yet I think she said good-bye as she crossed over, hence you felt the need to check on her.
She's enjoying greener pastures now, and would want you to do the same. People style of course
~;-)>
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 9:12 am:
Sara,
I am so very sorry about your loss of Beau and Austin. You are an amazing canine/equine mom and you can take comfort in knowing you always did the best for your animals and that they were loved deeply.
My sympathies to you.
Steph
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 9:42 am:
Sara, I am writing through tears. It was starting to feel as if I really knew Beau. However, I am grateful - you did not have to make the decision for her. So glad she went peacefully.
My sincere condolences, to you and Lonnie and all who knew Beau,
Lilo
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 10:14 am:
You must miss Beau horribly, and I am so sorry she lost her battle. But she really put up a fight and her end seems so peaceful.
I am so sorry you again had to loose a best friend, I am thinking of you and Lonnie.
Jos
Hope your other 'charges' understand and are not too upset.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 10:32 am:
What a wonderful and peaceful passing, though I'm very sorry for your double loss. Very glad you were able to ease her into a quiet ending.
- elk
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 10:37 am:
(((big huge hugs and a shoulder to cry on))))
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 10:50 am:
HUGE HUGS coming your way ..
I think you need to post us a picture of her younger years please...
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 11:26 am:
oh Sara, what a difficult time you have had lately. I too share your tears, send my hugs and sincerest admiration.
Please take VERY good care of yourself. Someday I may need a very clever human who slips me treats and cares tirelessly for me. One who affords me a peaceful trip through the unlatched entrance to the rainbow bridge. You have proven your mettle once again. Superior caregiver no matter how many legs the patient has. You are one exceptional human! We are so very proud and blessed to know you.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 2:59 pm:
Oh Sara,
I am so sorry to hear that the end has come for Beau, while being grateful that it was peaceful.
You did all that you could and it sounds as though it was just time.
She was a grand, beautiful, proud mare. A worthy reflection of her beloved owner.
You will all be in our thoughts and prayers.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 5:31 pm:
Oh Sara, My deepest condolences, but what a way to go and thinking of you and how difficult it would be to have to make a decision, she did it her way.
Hugs, Shirl
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 9:36 pm:
My deepest condolences Sara,
DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 9:51 pm:
Aw Sara, I'm so sorry to read of Beau's passing. I know that you must feel a huge ache in your heart tonight. It sounds as if her passing was peaceful and I'm glad that you did not have to decide her time for her.
Thank you for sharing Beau's story. I feel like I knew her, even though of course only through cyber space. And what a wonderful horse she was! What a blessing to have so many years together and that you were there to look after her in her final days.
I'm so glad that Lonnie had the foresight to go with you to the barn. Good man there. Thanks Lonnie for looking after our knickersister.
(((((((Sara, Lonnie, and Beau)))))))
Jo Ann
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 11:19 pm:
Well, you called it, Sara. May the peace of Beau's passing comfort your heart. I've had that kind of passing only once....and you're right, gratitude is mainly what you feel in the presence of such a quiet gentle passing. It is a gift.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 16, 2009 - 7:14 am:
Dear Sara,
I'm very, very sorry to hear of Beau's passing. What a heartbreaking year you have had - more than any ones's fair share of grief.
I'm so glad that Beau was able to give you the one final gift. I hope that brings you a measure of comfort.
My thoughts are with you~
Fran
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Posted on Monday, Nov 16, 2009 - 10:52 am:
So sorry for your loss Sara. What a kind old girl to slip away on her own and spare you having to make that hardest decision. Sounds like you made her last days as pleasant as could be.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 16, 2009 - 2:37 pm:
Sara,
I'm so very sorry for your loss. Take care. Leilani
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Posted on Monday, Nov 16, 2009 - 5:32 pm:
Sara, I am so sorry for you losing two old friends so close together. How lucky they both were to spend their lives in your care. Your relief is understandable. Your willingness to let her go probably eased her transition.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 2:22 pm:
Here are some pictures of my old girl Beaulima:
 approx. age 6 with her first foal
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 2:23 pm:
A favorite picture with her 2nd foal:
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 2:25 pm:
On the trail in Utah, age 20.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 2:37 pm:
Sara she was a beautiful girl, I love her head and big, kind eye.
Do you still have any of her foals?
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 3:04 pm:
Regretably, no. Wish I did. They were always beautiful, spunky but sweet, and easy to sell. However, she became my main riding horse and I hated to have her unable to ride so didn't breed her much.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 3:38 pm:
Beautiful Sara. Thanks for sharing. May her spirit always surround you with love.
Shirl
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 4:06 pm:
She was absolutely beautiful, Sara. And what a gorgeous foal.
Old photos and favorite memories are so precious.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 6:18 pm:
Thank you for posting the photos, Sara. I was thinking of you today, wondering if you had found some photos to share.
What a gorgeous mare, with a typical Arabian head. Did the foals turn gray later in life? Beautiful babies.
Thanks again for sharing,
Lilo
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 7:28 pm:
Yes, they turned gray Lilo. Gray is a very dominant gene with Arabs; hard to over come. Luckily, I like grays.
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 8:20 pm:
She was B E A U T I F U L!!! The pictures capture her intelligence and sweetness.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 12:42 am:
A stunningly beautiful horse. How lucky you were to have her!
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 2:45 am:
An absolutely gorgeous girl, Sara. You must miss her so much. The photos are lovely - thank you for giving us this glimpse of Beaulima.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 3:04 am:
Bit late to say this , only read the post now . I am feeling with you - Soooo sorry for You.....My deepest condolences.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 11:46 am:
What a beauty, and such a kind eye. I bet she was easy to fall in love with.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 1:43 pm:
Thanks for letting us see her. What a pretty, feminine mare she was.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 1:54 pm:
Thanks for posting her picture Sara. She is a beautiful mare.
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 7:07 pm:
Sara, I will always remember beautiful Beaulima as that snow white, gentle-looking mare that I met at your place this summer. May she rest in peace until you are there to ride her in heaven.
erika
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 - 12:04 am:
I just found your pictures Sara. What a beautiful, beautiful girl she was. Thank you for sharing them.
Jo Ann
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 - 2:19 pm:
Sara, if I didn't say so earlier, I am sorry for your loss- I think I was too preoccupied with my own situation. How kind of Beau to take the decision out of your hands! And if you think she'd like the company of a grumpy old guy, I'm sure Cody would love that (while pretending not to care)...
Kathy
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