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Discussion on Thrush 2
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New Member:
fame
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 11:35 am:
Diane, why must I start new Discussion, when I am talking about Thrush problem and that is ALREADY existing topic in the list of Hoof care / disease ?I must be missing something here.?Is it that my English is lacking, or am I in early Alzheimers/
Can someone take the time to explain this to me SIMPLY so i can grasp this without upsetting everyone?
I did take some pictures of the hoof - that will be my next problem to post them . As I've already tried in the past without success on my Apple Computer . Running Snow Leopard .
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mrose
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 12:00 pm:
Ferrell, do you have either Adobe Photo Shop or Paint installed on your computer? If so, both programs make it pretty easy to change the size of the pictures. If you have either and want some help, I can probably help you figure it out. I don't know about the other picture programs though.
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mrose
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 12:02 pm:
Another thing some HA members have done to post pictures, is to send the pictures via email to another member that knows how to make them small enough to post.
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Member:
gramsey1
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 12:23 pm:
Farrell,
This is good. Now we can follow your case. Thanks for starting your very own thread. I won't confuse your problem with anyone else's. I think I have discovered that all thrush is not the same.
We had a bout of thrush at our previous boarding facility and beat it with Tomorrow. It was very effective.
This summer and autumn in PA has been very wet. Now our boy (same horse at new facility) has it again. This time Tomorrow did nothing. Perhaps it is not bacterial this time? Maybe Dr. O will elaborate. But, White Lighting blasted it. 48 hours later the black slick spots are dry and grey. I think we are on the road to recovery.
As for the images. They need to be small.
Try reading this help file from the site.
https://www.horseadvice.com/horse/messages/2/66556.html
If you use iPhoto try using the file-> export -> Format -> JPG. Use the Scale Image radio button to change the image to 200 wide while preserving the aspect ratio. Save the image. The image should be less that 64K and you should be able to post it.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 12:29 pm:
Farrell the reasons are many, by starting your own discussion we end up talking about YOUR horse, otherwise the thread gets too long and hard to follow if many horses are involved in the same discussion. Also so you read the article about thrush or whatever your question is about and all the other posts. Once you get the hang of it it becomes easier .
If you would like to send pictures to me via e-mail I would be glad to post them for you...my e-mail is in my profile. I know what it is like to have a "sick" computer and you "speak" english very well! I love the name "Henk" you put in the other post I may have to change his name!
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ajudson1
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 3:10 pm:
Farrell,
One last comment about starting your own discussion. Some people, me for example, have trouble typing on a discussion that gets too long. I end up with a "delayed reaction"...I type and the letters & words take a few seconds to appear. Very frustrating! I have no clue why it happens, computer techs can't help me.
Also, people on slow connections have trouble getting the page to load, especially if there are pictures in the thread.
But the most important reasons are what Diane says above; to keep the discussion just about your horse(s) and your concerns.
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fame
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 3:31 pm:
DianE,Guy and Sarah, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate this feedback. I do feel rather stupid at times.I think i get this now, but please don't feel insulted if I slip up again--Thanks for the offer Diane but I will try to battle it out using Guy's guidance as he mentions" IPhoto " and this is on my computer. My husband has reset my digital camera to " basic" when previously he had it set on " High or Raw " imaging.
I asked him to help me with this post so as you see now it's more intelligible( He knows how silly I feel.)
I could never understand how come he spent so much time on the computer( Welding, Photography old style,paper chemicals and a 1968 Hasselblad,spraypainting) Now he's bought himself a new computer as he is unable to get near this one----I spend hours enjoying my HORSE Advice!!!So much knowledge and experience, at the touch of a button!!
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 - 3:44 pm:
Takes a lot to insult us Farrell, everyone here is very polite and understands confusion VERY well! It took me a week to figure out how to post pictures, there is no stopping me now You'll get the hang of it. Looking forward to them so we can help your horse...hopefully
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Member:
npo33901
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 5:08 pm:
These are a trial uploading of my photos of thrush after the farrier had trimmed.   
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npo33901
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 - 5:13 pm:
Not sure how these photos got here, but thanks Guy, Erika and Diane-----I'll keep on trying till I get the hang of it!
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Member:
dres
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 9:52 am:
I am a HUGE fan of Tomorrow... the product WORKS.. and can be used for other issues as well.. scratches comes to mind..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 10:02 am:
HMMMM Anna-Marie, I'll take it you are farrell. Do you have 2 accounts?
I can't comment on the hooves themselves, but the thrush you are worried about is the crack in the toe area? If that is due to injury it will grow out eventually. If it is the black to the left of the picture that I circled that concerns you. I did have success with digging out as much as I could with the hoof pick and using thrush buster and/or tomorrow.
Good jobs with the pictures, can you take a side view with some of the leg? 
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 10:53 am:
Hello Anna,
Concerning your first post and why a separate discussion. In short there are dozens of Thrush discussions on this board and as Diane correctly points out if we tried to maintain them all under one discussion it would be way to confusing.
Great images but I am trying to figure out exactly what your concerns are. It appears there was a large defect under the toe wall that has been cut out. There is a suspicious hole we see at the base of the frog in the heel shot is this a deep or recurring problem? There does seem to be some mild pathology around the edges. We address these concerns and how to treat them at, Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Thrush.
DrO
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npo33901
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 4:27 pm:
Daine, we had problem posting and so we've opened another account - my husband Farrell. By now all is sorted out in this department . Fame is our business name abbreviation of our names .
Yes, it was a chip than crack in the toe area and it wouldn't grow out - injure happened last year. It was not growing out and than I noticed hairline cracks in other hoofs and reading P.Ramey I thought he must have fungus /thrush ? My trimmer made now a big V cut .
How do you mark photos ?
What you are pointing on the photo - it could be thrush, yes .
I got Thrush buster and did all his four hoofs .
Dr. O. my main concern is, that the crack/injury is not growing out . The frog is normally very good - it has been high and my trimmer cut too much , I think . The hose was and is lame the day after trimming . I am giving him DANILON (Suxibuzona) , it is helping him .
The hole at the back of the frog on the picture - I must look at it tomorrow . And I will report than .
Please , pathologies around the edges - do you mean the dark areas or wrong "mustang " roll ?
I've read your articles , but will return to them again .
Thank you for complimenting on those photos - it is very difficult to angle it well .
Trubadour thanks you for your interest .
Anna-Marie.
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scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 - 4:53 pm:
I kind of wondered if he wouldn't be sore, it appears he is walking on his sole. I think the area I circled to the left, the blackish stuff is what Dr.O. was referring to as pathologies, which looks like it could be thrush. The thrush buster usually works very well on this stuff. To mark pictures I use the paint program.
Is he usually sore after a trim?
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npo33901
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 9:21 am:
Daine , he is never sore after trim !!
I have tried to clean his feet this morning and it the flies were impossible , he wouldnt stand still - Ill try tonight again .
Formaldeheide is carcinogenic . On the bottle they recommend application ones a week . IWorries me, that you are applying it every day ?
I shall try to get Tomorrow instead , hopping it will help just as well.
I also try to clean his hoofs with a wire brush and retake the pictures .
I am greatful for the help you are all giving me/us.
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 9:44 am:
Hi Anna Marie I apply it about twice weekly...whenever the purple goes away...when he was really bad I put tomorrow on in between applications of thrush buster. Now that he seems "cured" I put thrush buster on when I see anything black showing up in his white Line.
Formaldehyde works well on these kind of pathologies as does the tomorrow. I think the most important part is trying to dig out as much as you can before applying either of them. Good Luck
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stek
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 1:52 pm:
Anna-Marie, I am interested in the toe crack. My mare has a toe crack in the same location that comes and goes. My farrier started by treating it the way yours has but it never went away completely that way. It just grows very slowly as her foot grows.
I have to trim her toe back to nothing for it to go away, but it always comes back eventually. On the sole of her foot, there is a small indentation near the toe where the crack starts. It almost looks like she has the beginnings of a cloven hoof. (hmm, she is a 'horned one') I don't have a photo handy but drew a quick diagram below to show what I mean.
I wonder if your horse has something similar? I haven't seen it on any other horses but my farrier said he has seen it in other horses with upright feet. The indented area on mine is very clearly healthy it's just like that is the way it is shaped... Just curious if you have something similar?
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 3:27 pm:
Hi guys I have some pictures of Hanks hooves with the crack at the toe. I'm not really sure what caused it. I don't know if you are dealing with the same thing, but as you can see in the first picture it looks wet, because twice everyday I squirted tomorrow in it. usually these are caused by imbalances, I think Hanks was due to seedy toe, not sure tho. It took a good 6 months for it to go away. Shannon maybe since he's a horned one also he had cloven hooves. LOL
This one of the sole isn't the greatest but you can see the "dent"
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 3:36 pm:
BTW those shots are from a year and a half ago..it is not there anymore since his trimming is better, and I got rid if the seedy toe.
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stek
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 3:51 pm:
Thanks Diane, yes I see what you mean. Maybe I will try some tomorrow on it just to see if that helps. Maybe it is a spot of hoof germies causing it after all.
Anna Marie I wonder if your crack looked like this at the beginning too?
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npo33901
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 - 4:55 pm:
Trubadour chiped out pieceof hoof wall on a metal hook . It was small and it looked like Diane's Hank ( with a ) picture . It was small and later the crack continued up the hoof wall . It happened last year .
Shannon, now he has hairline cracks on the other hoofs and I am thinking it is either due to bad nutriment or thrush .
It is now huge cut out - but there is still small hole at the base of the V cut - I am trying to dig there every day and blast out debris with syringe with water and sometimes with betodine .
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Nov 13, 2009 - 5:43 am:
Anna I am trying to get a handle on what you meant when you said your main concern is "the crack is not growing out". I think I got your meaning in this last post. Are you talking about the defect at the top of the pared out V? You may have one of the horn digesting infections, thrush or white line disease, and if so you should have the whole defect pared away until you have removed all abnormal looking horn and then treat appropriately. For more on this see Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » White Line Disease or Onchyomycosis.
Concerning my earlier comment on pathologies, yes I was talking about the dark area in the white line, about 7:30 on the straight on shot of the sole, which appears to be a bit of focal thrush. Less certain is the general darker color of the rest of the white line which may just be pigments picked up from the ground?
I would note that Diane's crack above is almost certainly brought on by the flare that was present and has now been rolled back some. If the flare is brought under control the crack is likely to disappear. Shannon's description suggests a horse with some scarring to the sensitive laminae, possibly from an old gravel. This scarring now forms defective horn at the white line which then grows out the bottom of the sole. Horses with this problem tend to always have it.
DrO
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ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Nov 13, 2009 - 7:26 am:
Just a tidbit of info that may or may not help. I read some place that a toe crack like that may also be caused, or kept from going away, due to excess pressure (flaring) at the 2 & 10 o'clock positions of the hoof wall. I always thought just the toe needed more attention while the crack grew out, but I guess there is more to it.
My mare Willow had a crack like Hanks and it did go away with deligent trimming.
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npo33901
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 4:20 am:
Dr. O. , Diane, Angie,
On the pictures you'll see where the hole is - I've put a wire in to indicate where it is . the hole is ca. 1cm deep and small in diameter. BUT today we shall try to drill the bad stuff out . Than insert Thrush buster, or 50/50 antibiotics/athlete's foot creams.
Or just flush it with betodine .
The white line seems to be good - I scrubbed very well before taking pictures .
Flares ? hope the "mustang roll" is OK - I don't quite understand how to trim (how much) of the hoof wall . I imagine you rasp perpendicular to the ground to take the wall ,, but how much must you leave ? Do you go until the white line ? He had slight flares - as Angie says - they were minimal and on the sides also at the back feet . They were removed two weeks ago .
What do you think about all this ?I am sending this now as I can't upload photos and don't want to re-type this letter (English is a battle!)Will upload photos separately, hopefully
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npo33901
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 4:36 am:
Photos thrush2
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 6:51 am:
Here are Anna's pictures
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 6:54 am:
Good Pictures Anna Marie, that hole is a curious thing, will be interested what Dr.O. has to say. Your plan sounds good to me.
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 7:58 am:
As Yoda would advise, "Do it! There is no try." If this is a case of WLD only by cutting out the infected material then treating the healthy to prevent reinfection will you overcome the ongoing problem you describe.
DrO
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npo33901
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 1:36 pm:
Diane, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for transfering the photos .!!! AM.
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 14, 2009 - 6:04 pm:
You are welcome Anna Marie, you had them sized just fine, all you had to do was hit upload attachment and find the picture you wanted..NOTE you can only do one picture at a time, maybe that is where your problem was.
Let us know how the drilling and treatment go.
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npo33901
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 6:35 am:
DianE, i hit "upload attachment" and even with ONE photo at a time I received a message saying only 64kb possible? Must be a computer gremlin. At the time a strong wind was blowing and quite heavy rain was falling----I find it difficult to send at such times.May I take the liberty of posting to you again, only if ALL else fails? I am worried about this problem (the hoof not the computer) so once more, thank you very much!.
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 15, 2009 - 7:04 am:
Anytime Anna Marie Maybe my program resized them by itself. Computers do seem to have a mind of their own sometimes.
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npo33901
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 - 4:11 pm:
Diane, do you wash the hoofs thoroughly or do you just brush them every day BEFORE you apply Thrush Buster ?
We've started slowly with electric drill to open up - and indeed, there is black line . And another spot as well .
Should/must I start a new discussion ? As I think it is White line disease - as Dr. O said . I think the white line around the wall is a bit soft - waiting for my trimmer to see it . Maybe I am just digging too much .
And it's raining like mad........
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 - 4:30 pm:
Anna I don' think you have to start a new discussion, it all relates.
I just dug until I hit something solid with the hoof pick and covered with the thrush buster. They didn't need anymore water! We had a very wet summer. I also made sure his hooves were dry, by keeping dry bedding in the lean-to and having him spend the night time hours in there. At least they got to dry out for half the day. I always did the thrush buster treatment at night when I put him up on the dry bedding...figured it could get to work a little before he got muddy the next day.
Sounds like you may be getting to the root of the problem. Like Dr.O. said best to get rid of it.
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npo33901
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 - 3:28 am:
Great , also we don't loos the reference to the above pictures.
I forgot to ask how do you applicate the Thrush buster - I have it in a small bottle but it is pouring out - difficult to put it exactly where you want it - tried injection syringe ( no needle) but the same.
reading that it is so dangers liquid, I'd like to have better control .
I am having problem with "dry nights" - cannot get suitable bedding. Unbelievable .!!
Thank you Diane .
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 - 6:46 am:
Whether fast or slow Anna-Marie, just be sure you can clearly see that there are no infected areas left.
DrO
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scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 - 7:20 am:
Anna I just use it out of the bottle (carefully) and wear gloves, it does come out fast! I like to cover it thoroughly anyway.
Did you get some Tomorrow stuff? maybe one of those syringes would work well?
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Member:
canter
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 - 7:24 am:
Anna, how about pouring just enough you need out into a small dish and then using a small paint brush to apply?
I've never used the stuff, so I don't know if that's a practical suggestion or not but thought I'd toss it out there.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 - 8:12 am:
Anna,
I've done what Fran suggests. I have some old containers from kids paint, little plastic bottles with screw on lids, and paint brushes that I've used to put that kind of stuff in/on horses hoofs. I recently put on the cream combo that I made from Antibiotic cream and athletics foot cream using a fairly stiff paint brush. I was putting the cream into a hole in my mare's sole.
You have such a tiny hole there; I wonder if you just kept dabbing it with a soaked Q-Tip?
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npo33901
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 - 5:04 pm:
Thanks for al the good advise - will do .
Like the idea of a paint brush - never been and artist painter in my life, so better to try it now .
Angie by now the hole is larger and it looks clean. There are still some other areas - I keep searching .
Dr. O - I am slow worker .
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 - 6:58 am:
Slow or fast Anna, do you have that area at the toe open enough you can clearly see there are no more areas of diseased horn or are you still working with a small hole?
DrO
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npo33901
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 - 4:43 pm:
Yes Dr. O.,
It is open enough , seen black line - that is now all drilled out . I am waiting for my trimmer this Saturday to look at the white line . Seems to me bit powdery and soft in some places . I don't know if it is due to the wet weather .
Diane, I got drying product for cows, MAMYZIN SECADO, it is supposed to be like "Tomorrow". The composition is.
Iodohidrato dde penetamato 20mg
Penicillina benetamina 56mg Sulfato de framicetina 20 mg.
Can you please look up your Tomorrow - if it is the same ?
We'll try to take some pictures . Thank you for keeping an eye on us .
AM.
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npo33901
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Posted on Friday, Nov 20, 2009 - 10:58 am:
Question.
On the straight shot of the sole of Trubi , at at 7.30 till the frog there was blackness and I dug/drilled out all until solid white colour. Now there is a groove and I don't know if I should remove the wall a bit with a rasp . It will be trapping dirt .
We made a "dry run" - put river pebbles outside of the stables and will keep horses at night there - to dry there hoofs . They will not like it I guess, but it's Life . What is good for us we don't like doing.
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Member:
npo33901
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Posted on Friday, Nov 20, 2009 - 2:57 pm:
Sorry, I am an idiot - All that written above concerns his right front foot - no pictures were delivered.
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Friday, Nov 20, 2009 - 3:33 pm:
Anna if you want to e-mail the pictures to me again I would be glad to post them for you, I would like to see what you are doing, I'm sure other members with this problem would like to see it too.
The Tomorrow stuff sounds similar to what you are using...is yours oil based?
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npo33901
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Posted on Friday, Nov 20, 2009 - 4:07 pm:
Diane, thank you very much for the offer of sending the pictures.
We didn't take new photos yet - we are both sick (Farrell & I ).
"Tomorrow" - I didn't dare to try it until I'll have your answer. Give me few days to get better .
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 22, 2009 - 7:24 pm:
Anna is still having problems uploading pictures so here are her updated one.
DSCN2512 front left - the black is not thrush - it is shade /purble thrush buster .
at 5 o'clock was a small stone and blackness under
DSCN2520 front right . There was a lot of thrush at 2 - 4 o'clock . Now deep groove
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 7:13 am:
Anna His hooves look much healthier, good job. Is the black gone out of the hole? Hard to tell from the picture.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Nov 23, 2009 - 8:38 am:
I too wonder about the black hole, it looks to dark for Thrushbuster.
DrO
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npo33901
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 - 2:55 am:
Yes , one cannot see it on the photo . But I promise you, With good light there is not speck of blackness to be seen - in the hole. The hole is large enough to see and work .
I will cheque tonight again .
Thank you Diane for posting . And the Mamyzin is oil based .
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npo33901
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Posted on Wednesday, Jan 6, 2010 - 9:49 am:
It has been a long time - his right front gave me a fright 18.Dec. - I've discovered blackness near the area where his "V" cut- out was, but more on the sole side . Drilled and blood came . Packed it with 50/50 Neosporin/athlete's foot, kept changing it often . Next day I drilled around , it seemed to be clean, didn't want to go deep.
Tried to keep all hoofs clean (it has been raining / freezing all the time ). The hoof trimmer came 2.Jan. made nice large cut out and no sight of any blackness visible, no bleeding . He trimmed both horses. Sorry to say, Trubi was lame in the evening . Gave him Danilon (anti inflamation).
Today I've shaved with the Dremel drill all hoofs to see if any blackness . Here and there is a little black hairline of blackness - I removed it . Applied Thrushbuster. He is walking better .
I think, his hoofs improved, his right front cut out grown out (only the sole side at this point is hollow). I also think his white line is not so brittle . BUT.
I keep scratching at the WL making a groove between the wall and sole . Is it OK ?
My trimmer said - we cannot keep drilling - he will not have hoofs left !? His lameness is caused by the toe .
Well it is either leave the black lines in the WL or let the Thrush(?) proceed ?!
I wonder if he didn't take too much of his frogs .
I'd like to know, if frogs should be at the level of the hoof wall or below . Is it not the frog, which is taking the contact with the wall and the bars ? If above the walls - take it off or leave it to wear out?
Is thrush starting at the hairline of the hoof ? Proceeding down?
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gramsey1
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Posted on Wednesday, Jan 6, 2010 - 6:38 pm:
We were having trouble with thrush. We controlled it with thrush buster, but never seemed to beat it.
Recently,we tried White Lightening Gel.
The thrush is gone.
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 7, 2010 - 7:07 am:
Concerning progressive infection of the sole or white line you cannot be sure you have it controlled and stopped until the diseased tissue is all removed. However these infections start at the solar surface and work there way up. You should not need to scratch around or drill if the tissue appears healthy.
DrO
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npo33901
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 7, 2010 - 7:45 am:
Thank you Guy and Dr. O. - Happy new year -
I am still reading and studying and waiting for the tapes of P.R.
The more you learn, the more you don't know....
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maggienm
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 7, 2010 - 8:55 am:
Anna-Marie, you are so right about that. I have been studying about hooves for several years now and I still feel like I dont know anything.
Don't get discouraged, you are learning and so your horses is getting great care and it will just get better.
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npo33901
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 7, 2010 - 2:21 pm:
Lori, thank you for the kind words of incouragment .
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Member:
mrgood
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Posted on Friday, Jan 8, 2010 - 5:08 am:
I do not agree with that the infection starts at the solar surface and works its way in. I have seen much to many cases where the surface looks perfectly healthy but underneath the frog tissue is completely destroyed by infection. This becomes obvious when you cut the flaps of the frog more of less covering the collateral groves. This is very common in dessert environment.
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npo33901
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 9, 2010 - 6:02 pm:
Tried to use Tomorrow instead thrush buster , but it doesn't stay in place . How do you people apply it and how often ?
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Member:
rtrotter
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 9, 2010 - 6:36 pm:
Anna-Marie,
I usually squirt some Tomorrow in the crevices/and or holes and pack with as much of a gauze pad as I can get in there. I really try and stuff it in. Then I saturate the gauze pad with the Tomorrow. If the holes/crevices are not bad I use little pieces of cotton.
With a bad case of thrush in the frogs, I like the gauze better because I can tell if the crevices are healing up by how much of the gauze pad I can not stuff in it from day to day. When I can't fit any gauze, I am done, but I do continue to treat for a day or two longer.
Rachelle
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npo33901
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 4:13 am:
Good guide-line Rachelle, for serious Thrush/holes.
But I have only small holes/lines - mainly in the WL, some black lines appear at the crevices of the bars (Trubi has very small bars) . Nothing will stick/remain inside of the small openings I made. The frogs - seem to be OK. Trimmer cleaned them up ,I don't see any thrush there . I am busy checking/cleaning the WL,where hairline black lines are appearing . I hope there is not some large nucleus of thrush hiding somewhere inside of the hoof , ready to explode . I changed his hard food . Still worries me - the weather - wet . And not enough excersise . I cannot work him - ( painful knee, awaiting surgery ).He has open stables and we've put pebbles in the outrun.
I would appreciate your opinion, Rachell.
Anna-Marie .
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 2:08 pm:
Anna Marie,the tomorrow should stick it is oil based. I just squirted it on Hanks thrush, let it soak a couple seconds and that was it
For deep thrush I did as Rachelle described.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 11, 2010 - 1:00 am:
Diane,maybe it's too cold - I'll try to keep the Tomorrow warm before use .
You do have a bad winter !!!
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 - 5:39 am:
Angie, got DVD's of P.R. - excellent - money well spent !!
Thank you for recommendation .
Diane, got my riders rasp - find it a bit difficult to use - either the hoofs are too hard or the blade is blant - I'll see.
PR favours Tomorrow against thrush . Specially in the wet weather - which we have now .
AM.
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 - 7:00 am:
Anna,
You got the "Under the Horse" set? And managed to watch all of them?!
I agree money well spent. That one investment would have saved me hours of frustration, and saved my horses months of less than perfect hoofs! I only wish more people would purchase the set.
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 - 9:46 am:
Anna-Marie, How many days did it take to receive your order from Ramey?
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 - 11:34 am:
Anna-Marie,
oh, I have oftern thought about ordering that series. would you mind if I asked a few questions?
Did the series show pictures of good looking soles/
Does it show actual step by step trimming and how to judge if the trim needs adjusting?
thank you.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 6:53 am:
Vicky , it took several days. Very fast and helpful people .
Lori. I only obtained the DVD's few days ago - ( posted to me from the US ) . I managed to see 3 DVD out of 10 and ALL was very good .
No i cannot see trimming as such, but PR is using cadavers hooves, well cut and prepared - very graphic- and explain all what we should know about trimming and keeping healthy hoofs . You can see the anatomy of the foot extreamly well .
Ironically, after I've seen 2 DVD' , Trubi got lame again . I think is is his food ( too rich, too much , no excersise ) .
I think he has thrush in the grove of his frog - it has been neglected by the trimmer and my ignorance . NOW I see PR's frogs are open ( I mean the grooves in the middle of the frog) .
I also think the walls are not bevelled enough and maybe the balls/bars are bit high .
I am following Diane's discussion and learning from that too .
I am bit sad - cannot rasp enough with my Riders rasp . Do you find difficult as well ? I am using sand paper, which seems to be easier .
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 7:23 am:
Anna the Riders Rasp is more of a rounding the wall tool, it is not meant to remove wall or rasp so to speak. It is more for maintaining between trims.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 10:24 am:
Diane, you than have a "normal" rasp - I may buy the one with the handle ( I think you've brought it up ) .
What knifes do you recommend . I imagine to have few with different diameters of the curve ?!
PR is using a very nice tool to cut out groves in frog . Cuts both ways .
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 11:09 am:
Anna I have the travelers rasp and am contemplating getting that one with the nice handle and shorter rasp I posted about in Hanks thread... will have to go through his post to find it.
Knives I'm not using yet... my skill level is pretty low, so right now no knives for me... but I have one for when the skill level strikes!!
Angie could probably answer knife questions better than I.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 7:03 pm:
Anna, I think I read somewhere that Pete made that particular tool, I think he sells it on his website. It does look pretty cool.
For years I only had one knife, not sure which direction it faced.
Then I bought an opposite direction knife. Those are the only two I have, I never thought about ones with different sized curves. I don't think I have seen any in town.
The riders rasp would frustrate me also. I have also used a regular rasp.
I have a regular rasp that broke about 2/3 down from the handle, I really like the shortness of it to do my mini or just to quickly trim up a rough spot.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 7:25 pm:
You can buy shorter rasps--for ponies or minis, but they work better on babies too and I think for smaller hands they're handy. I've bought them for my pony online, but occasionally will find one at retail places with farrier supplies.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 18, 2010 - 8:40 pm:
Anna here is the one I am thinking about getting
https://www.hoofrasp.com/
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Posted on Tuesday, Jan 19, 2010 - 3:06 am:
Thanks Diane, when I'll find out about PR "knife" I'll let you know .Yesterday I've watched his hoof trimming - he was using it . Very good - specially for central cleft . Has blades on both sides .
Lori - you can see PR trimming - it looks so easy when he works !!
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 24, 2010 - 8:02 am:
Here are pictures of my two horses .
Starting front left and back
Right front and back .
Can you give me your much valued opinion on those , please ?
I am mostly interested in clefs of frogs - should they not be cut out more ,open ?
Thank you. AM.
 
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 24, 2010 - 8:08 am:
I am sorry about the mess . Next time I'll send one photo at a time .
But iF you can comment on any of above pictures, I'd be very happy . Thank you .
For us it is a small success to have send it .
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 24, 2010 - 9:32 am:
Anna-Marie,
The pictures came out fine, the next time you post you can cut and paste the pictures 3 or 4 across down the page, just make sure that you include the full url for each picture when you cut and paste.
Rachelle
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 24, 2010 - 10:39 am:
Lori,
The 16 hour, 10 DVD set like being at a Ramey clinic when he gave clinics. I just checked and he's not giving clinics now, he was taking a few years off.
I have watched each DVD twice, some 3 times, and I learn something new every time. Parts are boring class room instruction, (and Pete tends to "rock" back & forth as he talks, annoying ;-))
but as said above, he uses cadaver hoofs.
There is trimming shown as a maintenance trim, and work on foundered horse. Plenty of "Hands on real hoofs" to show you what to do. I had a couple of "ah ha" moments the first time I watched the maintenance trim being I had not seen anyone trim for 2 1/2 years!
Anna-Marie,
I don't see where his frogs need work, but I'll admit I don't carve out the frogs much. I tend to only remove loose stuff.
I do wonder if his hind feet are the wrong angle? Does he seem to rest a hind foot often? I was told that if you follow the angle of the coronet band, draw an imaginary line up to his front legs, you want it to connect on his leg, not his belly. Does he have low heels, long toes in his hind hoofs?
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 24, 2010 - 4:39 pm:
Angie I'll try to get better picture of the hind legs.
Frogs - Trubi (the white horse) has holes in the clefts of the frogs about 0.7 mm ( 1/4"). In this wet weather I am worried about thrush there . I keep cleaning dirt from there every day . Should I open it ?
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 24, 2010 - 10:18 pm:
Thanks Angie, sounds totally worth it.
For what its worth I have been re-browsing Pete R and Gene O and Bowker sites.
There was a paragraph about picking out hooves and they all agreed that other than picking out actual manure or rocks it was beneficial to leave dirt and mud in the grooves.
Something about the pack providing the right amount of pressure the hoof needs..
I am not explaining it as well as they.
tomorrow I might have a bit more time to find the article again and post address.
Pete (now I am not sure it may have been on Gene page)said he generally leaves the frog alone except to trim off ragged edges of to even up a frog that is starting to shed. Never lower a frog lower that the sole.
If I am understanding the current teaching from these three they actually say to leave the frog at the wall height.
The frog should make contact with the ground immediatly after the heel.
I agree that the heels of the rear hoof look quite low.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 25, 2010 - 3:41 am:
Lori and Angie - I have to get to read Gene O and Bowker .
But - I agree with the height of the frogs and I even think that IF they are little higher - the horse will wear them down to the proper height ( shedding ) .
The dirt - it's what I am wondering I clean miticulousely , specially in the collateral grooves . I use wire and gently remove all what is there !! I seem to have an overhang from the frog and it creats little undercut ( mm) - if you know what I mean . I use wire brush there too . And hoof pick after - and remove all soft frog .
It is wet now - maybe I shouldn't remove the black soft debri of the frog ? Than I apply Thrush buster or Tomorrow . I do it one time a day .
Pete is cutting out open cleft and than no debri is getting stuck . With the collateral grooves he doesn't show anything . And mine, secially on Violino are sharp angle - he has narrow hoofs . Glad to hear you opinions !! Excuse my spelling please .
Having said that - Pete 's DVD 's are great .
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Posted on Monday, Jan 25, 2010 - 7:19 am:
Hello Anna-Marie,
I think your frogs look very healthy. I would clean those little tags that trap dirt and moisture and would not remove healthy horn from the frogs casually unless I thought it was contributing to the trapping of moisture and dirt.
DrO
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Posted on Monday, Jan 25, 2010 - 7:52 am:
All,
You can call me a bad horsey mom, but I pay very little attention to picking out my horses feet before they go and do anything (My horses jog/tow/train just about every day. If they have mud packed in them that's the way they go to work, I do wash them out, when they come in.
I have very few problems with thrush, even in wet muddy conditions and I look for it constantly. I also have very few foot problems ( no quarter cracks, ever, and pretty good solid feet).
I use very little hoof care products and when I do, the products I use do not have any petroleum based products in them.
The only time I have had a problem, Actually two times. Is when I get a horse from someone else with a foot problem and when I used to pack my horses feet with poultice, they would pick up small rocks and pebbles in the poultice as I walked them out to the field, I'd find them in the foot the next day ( so I do not do that any longer).
I think when a horse packs his own feet, he's doing it for a reason, perhaps protection and maybe what's in there helps to spread the concussion when he is moving although the original packing probably falls out very soon after they start to jog, I very rarely have anything left in the foot after the exercise is over.
So I agree with the hoof gurus, unless you see big rocks, I'd leave everything else alone.( Unless you have other underlying problems that need care).
Rachelle
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Posted on Monday, Jan 25, 2010 - 8:46 am:
Remember every time you cut into the frog, you risk exposing new area that is not used to being exposed to the elements. Cutting away loose dead frog is o.k., but probably not necessary as it will fall off itself...maybe.
Not to gross anyone out (I am eating breakfast myself) but picture a scab forming. It's protecting the new tender area underneath. If you take it off, the new area is at risk for getting infected now. A new scab will form pretty fast. The frog also tries to keep a tough outer layer, a "callous" just like sole "callous."
I never clean my 16 hoofs unless I am trimming them, so every 2-4 weeks. In the spring, they stand in water/manure, sometimes fetlock deep. Other than stalling them a few hours a day on dry flooring, they get no special treatment, and I've never had thrush problems, 20+ years of having horses here with the same conditions every spring.
I would be more worried if I was cutting away frog and leaving tender areas exposed daily.
Frogs do get softer in moist environments of course, but again, unless I push on an area and something gross oozes out, I am not too concerned.
DrO,
What little tags are you referring to? End of the collaterol grooves?
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Posted on Monday, Jan 25, 2010 - 3:19 pm:
I thought Dr O was referring to the pieces Anne said were trapping dirt.
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Posted on Monday, Jan 25, 2010 - 4:44 pm:
Very well Dr.O. just what I thought - thanks. Trimmer has been today and did it - but not surgically enough . As Angie said, don't expose by cutting too much . I must get my own instruments and try to do it myself (without cutting my fingers off).
Rachelle - your horses are working and you are experienced knowleable mum.
US air and GOOD nutrition is keeping high resistance in your horses.
Trubi gave me fright with his episode of Thrush - It seems he is OK now .
I'll try to relax more, thank you all.
The "tags" are gone - loose pieces of frog .
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 28, 2010 - 10:41 am:
Trubador has been trimmed Monday 25th Jan. Yesterday he started to be lame .......Can you please tell me from what you see on the pictures why ? Is the mustang roll too much ?? Too much of the hoof wall has been taken off ?
His front hoofs/soles showing slightly pink colour near the WL.
Thank you .    
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 28, 2010 - 9:30 pm:
It looks to me from the photos that the horse was trimmed too short. I'd put him on soft bedding or deep sand paddock. It's going to take awhile for him to grow enough foot to be comfortable. I don't see anything that looks like thrush. Sheesh! What is it with these farriers???
Dr. O, we need an online course on trimming so we can all do our own horses--I know you're tired of reading my "Fire the farrier!" comments!
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Posted on Friday, Jan 29, 2010 - 1:01 am:
Julie , you confirmed my fears . I started to give him antiinflamatory . Is it OK ?
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Posted on Friday, Jan 29, 2010 - 5:22 am:
Checked his front hoofs this morning .
He has definitely pinking around /behind the WL. Mor on his front left .
What harm all this will do to the hoofs ?
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Posted on Friday, Jan 29, 2010 - 7:28 am:
Anna,
I agree with Julie, too short. When you look at his hoof from the side when holding it up, I bet the sole at the toe is higher the wall. Your farrier does not understand the mustang roll concept. You can't roll and shorten all of the hoof wall lower than the sole, even making if flush at the toe must be done ONLY after the sole is calloused enuf to accept it.
This is an example of my mustang roll, I think it could be finished off better. Cody is sound and has rock hard hoofs. (In spite of my learning curve!)
I did do to Tango something similar like your farrier did by the way, and it took a week or so before he was not sore, so he'll be fine. It was very painful for me to suffer through him suffering! I kept him on sand and gave some Bute.
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Posted on Friday, Jan 29, 2010 - 7:29 am:
If this is a simple case of trimming a bit too short, no permanent harm Anna but you need to protect the feet until they grow out a bit for more on this see, Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Problems Following Shoeing or Trimming.
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Posted on Friday, Jan 29, 2010 - 3:10 pm:
I am relieved !!!!!!!!!
Thank you for commenting.
Angie, I thought so '. The guy thinks he knows mustang roll .
I shall keep him on high bed at night . During the day I let him go on grass - hope that will be OK . ? Or shall I lock him up in the stable ?
Dr. O, I shall read tonight and watch Pete R. again and again.
I like your picture , Angie . I must learn how to keep photos in organised manner so I can go back to them when needed .
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Posted on Friday, Jan 29, 2010 - 5:39 pm:
Since he has become lame on that pasture, I think you should lock him up until the pain begins to subside then you can consider limited turn out for several hours and if it tolerates that you can increase time.
DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 31, 2010 - 4:11 am:
Yesterday morning the pinking area became more red . Trubi has been much better in his stride. He picked the sandy path to go to the outside . He was a bit frisky with Violino . The ground is soft/to muddy , didn't seem to do any damage to himself . - I hope-.
It is clear to me, that he is walking on his soles - his walls are SHORTER than the soles - he was "overbeveled" .
The trimmer wants to improve his bars - no way - Trubi must heel himself first AND I must study more.
Julie, Yes, he has no more thrush - I think. Just the toe area at the sole is still worrying me, but I don't dare to scratch on his sore feet at the moment .
Should I open new discussion about trimming/healing of Trubi ? I have RR rasp, want to buy some more tools and do maintenance myself . Dian's discussions are very helpful .
Angie - to answer your concern about the angle of hind feet . Trubi is missing the top of Ischial tuber on his left hind quaters. Nobody knows why and how it happened . I got him with this "disability " , from his breeder . I am still struggling with sending photos - will do eventually for your interest . It would be good to take a video of his walk too. ...one day....
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 31, 2010 - 9:14 am:
Anna-Marie, is there enough sole at the toe to trim it back to where it is protected by the wall?
DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 31, 2010 - 11:55 am:
Dr. O. , I don't know. I will mesure tomorrow, with my trimmer !!
The wall is bevelled / chopped off above the sole there .
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Posted on Monday, Feb 1, 2010 - 4:58 pm:
Dr. O, not very good thickness .
At the the point of the frog is only 7mm. at the back 22mm.
It indicates thin sole .
I'll give one week and hope there will be some improvement .
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 2, 2010 - 8:10 am:
Anna, it may take longer than a week. The important thing is that you give it adequate time to grow strong again before stressing the sole.
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 3, 2010 - 2:28 am:
Dr. O, I'll keep reading his hoofs and articles . I should have known better !
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 14, 2010 - 4:04 pm:
Violino, before I will start trimming.
All his feet , any comment would be appreciated .
This should be the FIRST proper attempt of sending photos .
Thank you, Anna-Marie .
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 14, 2010 - 4:29 pm:
Anna Marie if you are going to add more photos I would suggest starting another part, this one takes longer to load than mine You will probably get more responses.
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Posted on Monday, Mar 15, 2010 - 1:58 am:
Good idea Diane. We are still having problems with the photos sending . Chicago expert - friend is helping , we've spent 4 hours and still have not achieved what we want.!!
I've got a rasp and 2 knifes from Dick (Germany). They are excellent and so sharp !! As you've said - not easy to use !!!
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 - 7:01 am:
Trubador hs been operated on (melanoma) and with high fewer for days .
He was pawing and abraded his toes to the sole -
The sole is at the same level if not above his wall and W/L.
Should I round up his walls in the front ?
He also has little black line there -
Please give advise. Thank you. 
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 - 7:21 am:
Anna if he is on his sole at the toe I would leave it alone until it grew out a little, then maybe try a bevel. That worked for Hank when the farrier trimmed him short.
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 - 1:06 pm:
I agree with Diane, Anna, the pawing has probably put a rounded bevel on the toe wall already.
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 - 1:23 am:
Thank you Diane and Dr. O. But I am hesitant if the Black spot should be left alone or cleaned . With a dremel tiny hole . ? And pack it with antifungus cream.
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 - 5:28 am:
Concerning the thrush I would follow our recommendations at Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Thrush but I would pare it out so you have a defect that does not collect dirt and moisture. Little deep holes tend to trap more moisture.
DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 - 5:29 pm:
Yes, Dr.O but with his toes worn out I don't know what is better - to wait for the wall to grow out before I start physicaly removing the thrush/fungus .
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 - 7:19 pm:
Anna-Marie, not being able to examine your horse I cannot make the decision as to what the proper treatment would be but don't see any contraindication in the images you present above to going ahead and treating the thrush. What is your specific concern?
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Posted on Friday, Apr 23, 2010 - 1:10 am:
Dr. O . If I'll go ahead with removing the "blackness", I probably will finish with a hoof pictured on this Discusion, Nov. 14. 09 .
The horse will than "break" load too much his sole .
It is decision between thrush or sole leaving to grow. I think I'll remove the thrush and hope it will not make him sore.
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 - 10:34 am:
Anna-Marie, I don't understand your statement The horse will than "break" load too much his sole .
DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 - 12:59 am:
Sorry Dr. O . What I mean is , that the horse will have too much pressure on the front of the foot , more pressure on the sole that is tolerable . Because his wall is so worn out. And will not get any support from the wall .
I did already removed the black spot - using dremel . Just small hole . I try to keep it clean. He is walking OK .
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 27, 2010 - 5:25 am:
Trubador has a red spot on his RF .
His LF has a black spot in the white line.
Both feet are flat - no concavity. The "blackish" spots are on toes of his "flat" NO concavity feet . Horse is not working at all, in outrun or pasture whole day.....
The red spot/bruise ? is worrying . Should I open the "blackish spot" in the toe ? See if that is thrush going deeper ?
Please give your opinion. Thank you, Anna-Marie, AM for short. 
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 27, 2010 - 5:43 am:
Managed to annotate for easier viewing(I'm becoming a NERD !!!!) 
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 27, 2010 - 9:08 am:
Hello AM,
In general, if you cannot treat the thrush conservatively, scraping away the black then treating, you should pare out the defects then treat. Bruises like you are seeing are common and often not accompanied by problems.
DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 27, 2010 - 3:34 pm:
Thank you Dr. O !
will clean it up tomorrow .
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Posted on Monday, Feb 2, 2015 - 5:14 pm:
Trubi has a new episode of thrush , the same foot at the same place as in this discussion above.
Trimmer drilled out as much as he dares to . Put CEPHAPIRIN
(dry cow , tomorrow cannot get here ) packed with cotton wool ,sealed with tape and put a boot on . It is raining heavily, the ground is soggy.
Can you please give me instructions how often I must change the dressing - new cephapirin ?
How many days I must be applying the cephapirin ?
Should I take the boot off at night ? The dressing would than not stay in the hole . I am worried about swetting
( moisture forming) .
I appreciate advise of you knowledgable people. !!
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 3, 2015 - 8:33 pm:
Anna Marie, I know you will hear from Dr. O. on this, but what did your farrier say about how often to change it? You've had quite a lot of trouble with Thrush. Not fun.
The medicine you are using is in TOMORROW, so it's a good choice. I would change it daily and dry it out (with a hair dryer if you have one) and reapply the medication and repack it. There are some other options for medication if you can't get more of the one you are using now. I found this information that might be helpful: https://equineink.com/2010/07/11/treating-thrush/
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 3, 2015 - 9:03 pm:
Hi Anna,
Check out this article, it might be relevant.
https://theperfecthoof.blogspot.com/2015/01/seedy-toe-or-not.html
If it is thrush, we struggled with it as boarders. Until, on Sunday PM I made sure to arrive right after the stalls were cleaned and bedding replaced. I swept all the shavings to one end of the stall and sprayed (misted) the cleaned mats with a mixture of bleach and water. Once dried I moved all the shavings to the other end and treated the opposite end. After that, we never had a thrush problem again.
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 4, 2015 - 10:17 am:
Thank you Holly and Guy for your reply.
Well I too the boot off this morning and I was shocked how vet it was inside. It is sunny today , I've decided to keep the boot off.
I cleaned it , drilled out some more black muck (hope it is all), applied Cephapirin - packed cotton wool , whipped all bottom of the foot with betodine . Will check on him before bed time. If needed put another cotton wool with Cephapirin in .
Looked all his other feet , they seem to be OK .
Guy, lots of reading you've sent to me. It is frightening.
Holly, my trimmer did not give any instructions.
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 4, 2015 - 10:43 am:
AIR is healing ...
On the first day God created horse, on the second day he painted them with spots ..
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 4, 2015 - 11:28 am:
DRY air, especially . . . and SUNSHINE! (That's why I love the West, Ann . . . especially the land and climate of CA )}
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 4, 2015 - 9:06 pm:
Don't be afraid. The truth is horses have great healing and adapting capacity. Okay, maybe they won't be able to do grand prix jumping or run the derby. but what do you need, in most cases, they can adapt, and you seem like a person with reasonable expectations for soundness.
PEACE.
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 4, 2015 - 9:08 pm:
BTW those photos from 2009 and 2010 look pretty darn nice, considering. Please look at the article again. No need for concern. Perfect, perhaps not. Serviceable, yes.
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 5, 2015 - 4:56 pm:
Guy, I am reading . The article is a bit complicated , must read it few times more .
Trubi is doing good , I changed the packing tonight . Also started to give him micronised linseed and turmeric .
Thank you!!
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