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Discussion on Beet pulp with molasses for IR horse
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gwenyth
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Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 9:15 pm:
Dr O,
Is it OK to feed an IR horse beet pulp with molasses? Does it help to soak and drain the beet pulp first before feeding it to an IR animal? I read the HA article of beet pulp, but did not see this addressed. If it is elsewhere in HA, please advise,
Thanks,
nancy
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 4:22 pm:
How much molasses does it have Nancy?
DrO
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gwenyth
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Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 8:55 pm:
Dr. O, '
this is the link to the beet pulp:
https://www.mwagri.com/products/shreds.pdf
Total sugar is less than 10%, don't know how much is molasses.
I was told to soak it first and then rinse it in a colander to remove the sugar. Just wondered if you agreed.
I was wanting to feed it to a horse who just started pergoglide and has some loose manure.
Thanks for your help.
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 9:35 pm:
Funny mine got looser poops when I fed beet pulp.
Nancy from what I've read about beet pulp is rinsing it and draining it until the water runs clear means the sugar is gone( or at least supposedly safe for the IR types). I did find that stuff packed on the pounds on my easy keepers, and I didn't feed much of it. The boys didn't seem to like it real well, the mare did...but she got fatter
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gwenyth
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Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 10:37 pm:
I guess that they are indeed all different! My veterinarian recommended it for him, for the loose manure, but of course the "no molasses" kind, which is not available around here. My guy has lost so much weight that his ribs are showing - lol - I had forgotten that he HAD any! I think I'll just feed a little a day to see what happens, after I find out from Dr. O if it is safe or not.
Too bad I didn't enter them in the "Greatest Loser" !!
Thanks!
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dustee
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Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 4:27 pm:
I used beet pulp, the extruded type, and it was good - when the feed store was out of that, and only had the shredded beet pulp with molasses, I got it, and thought I switched it over slowly, and he coliced. Actually, I had him for about 12 years and never had a problem with colic until then. Scared me, I'll tell you!! Extruded type only for me!! Good luck. Dustee
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 5:12 pm:
I tasted the horses beet pulp shreds and coliced I had a horrible belly ache and I only tasted a little of it...BTW I thought it tasted like soaked paper shreds,( I'm opening myself up here with that comment!) gross stuff! MOST Horses seem to like tho. You couldn't pay me to make a meal of it!
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 5:24 pm:
Sorry Nancy I forgot the relevance of my post above thinking about tasting the beet pulp. Until Dr.O. answers you here is a good article explaining the glycemic index ect. of beet pulp, it also explains why my horses gained weight on it...should give Bonesy some!
When I was feeding beet pulp I remember DR.O. saying it doesn't really belong in an easy keepers diet.
https://www.shady-acres.com/susan/beetpulp.shtml
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gwenyth
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Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 6:15 pm:
Diane, that's a good article, thanks.
He won't get much, just trying to help the loose stools, and thinking it may replace his alfalfa pellets to get his supplements in him. Probably about 1-2 cups (after hydration) a day. Very little.
But his ribs ARE showing, lol!
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 9:33 am:
I would say 10% sugar, if we define sugar as a rapidly digested and absorbed carbohydrate like is in molasses, is too high for IR horses. The natural sugars left behind in the beet pulp after processing are variable, less than 10% usually, and are slowly digested and absorbed. Why not find a beet pulp product that does not have molasses added or at least contact the company that manufactures the product to get an idea of how much molasses they are adding.
DrO
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gwenyth
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:26 am:
Dr. O, will do. I would like to find a BP that does not have molasses, but that is pretty difficult around here, so I will contact the manufacturer. For now I will soak and rinse numerous times, as my vet suggested, but for long term it would probably be better to find another source of beet pulp if possible, I just wondered if I was being too picky, but obviously you agree that this might not be the optimal product for him.
Thanks for your reply.
nancy
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:53 am:
Nancy I remember people talking about using Speedi beet for their IR horses, I don't know how this would fit in your budget, but thought I'd throw it out there...seems it goes a little further than "regular beet pulp"
https://www.emeraldvalleyequine.com/speedi-beet.cfm
However if you are worried about your horses diarrhea being caused by the pergolide I would just give it some time...beet pulp or not it will probably straighten itself out. As you saw on my thread about Sam a few other peole reported diarrhea when first starting pergolide and all resolved eventually. I would be hesitant to "change" his feed which could lead to tummy upset...JMHO
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gwenyth
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 11:40 am:
I agree Diane, it's just seemed to be getting worse than better, but like you, I really don't like changing feeds. He is still getting everything else as normal, I just added a cup of "wet BP" last night, I figured that amount would not be much to cause an issue (I hope)
I like this link and will look into it, thanks.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 11:57 am:
Don't know where you are in Il. but there is a couple IL. distributors listed on the website.
We only have the same beet pulp brand you listed above, they DO make it with out molasses, but I have never been able to find it around here anyway.
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gwenyth
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 1:37 pm:
Diane, it could be total coincidence, but there were no loose stools when I went to clean stalls. Maybe it was the BP, and maybe it was him getting used to the drug. We'll see what happens.....
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 2:26 pm:
Coincidences is what makes horse ownership so frustrating Hope he continues to improve
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