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Discussion on Hoof boots
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 10:01 pm:
Bad news, I don't think Hank is going to meet my spectrum of usability barefoot this year for riding . I have tried to condition his hooves slowly, his hooves are looking pretty good for him. He still has his flat and no doubt thin soles (tho I am seeing improvement) Hard ground is proving to make him a little sore when riding on it and he is not liking the gravel anymore. He doesn't have any DP's or heat in his hooves, he just needs to develop thicker more concave soles, until then I need to protect his hooves so we don't start our downward spiral. He is fine in pasture and even the hard limestone paddock. I PLAN on doing quite a bit of riding this summer and with the fields planted now that involves quite a bit of pavement, gravel, rocky pasture riding.
As much as I HATE the thought of buying yet more boots to add to my treasure trove, I think his hooves will stay at least close to the size they are now. I really do like the convenience of shoes, but for the better interest of Hanks hooves at this time I guess I'll get some more boots.
There are so many on the market to choose from. I had old macs for Sam and did like them. I want to stay as cheap as possible since his hooves are forever changing, because in the end these probably won't fit him next year (with any luck anyway)
My 2 biggest requirements are
1 comfort for the horse
2 Easy on and easy off
Anyone have any suggestions from what they have used or are using?
Thanks
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rtrotter
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 7:41 am:
Hi Diane,
Just some observations,thoughts and personal experience about the boot situation.
First, I think I remember reading somewhere in your posts that your weather has been awful and you haven't been riding much lately. After all the work you put into Hank to get him to finally meet your spectrum of usability, the weather finally got to both of you. Horse hooves are in some way like muscles, if you don't use them you lose them. I think this is what's going on with Hank, now. He has partially lost the feet it took you so long to develop.
Second, I don't think Hank's or your spectrum of usability changed, I think Hank's environment changed which lowered what his spectrum of usability could be at this particular moment in time. In fact, my trimmer and I were having this exact conversation last night and I got a really good education on what the spectrum of usability really is and it is not what the owner/trainer etc. thinks the horse can handle but what the horses hooves can handle and the work they do based on level of performance needed to do their jobs. I specifically asked about Hank, I told him what you were doing riding wise, about how far you had come, about this being the first year in many years that you could actually ride, about the clover and stressed grass experiment etc. and about some of Hank's pathologies. He gave me a range of usability where a 1 would be basically a pasture potato and a 10 would be an endurance horse going 50-100 miles over rough terrain barefoot or a racehorse racing well barefoot. He said most backyard riding horses are around 3-5 depending on how much riding they do. He put's Hank at a 4. The description I gave him was before I read this current post on boots. He puts my horses at a 7 or 8 because of the condition of their feet and the amount of work they do.
Now, here is my take on the spectrum of usability when it comes to Hank. His spectrum of usability is going to remain about the same, whether you boot him or not. If you boot him, you will be able to ride more often and perhaps preserve his feet, but boots come with their own set of problems as you have no doubt noticed and IMHO create more trouble than they are worth.
From my perspective I always worry about their weight, especially with a horse that has been barefoot for quite some time, to go from nothing to upwards of 12-16 oz on each foot is very apt to cause lameness or soreness issues only from the perspective that they are not used to carrying around all that weight, unless they are built up to it which would require leaving the boots on most of the time, which creates other problems.
Unfortunately, none of the boots I've looked at are light weight, most are very clunky and are not suitable for my discipline. That does not mean they are not suitable for yours, but would think you would have the same kinds of problems.
From reading my threads, you know the solution, I came up with for my horses, with whom I've decided that nails are a no no. The race mare is in Hoofwear with just the treads of the renegade boots Adhered to them( same set of treads still going strong after a third reset). This weekend we will be changing to a set of Hoofwear with Adhered Flex-step full swedges as she is slated to started training seriously within the next 2 weeks. I hope we can go all the way back to the races with this combination. The colt will shortly be done the same way.
I have found this to be a very workable solution for my horses and even though I have to keep this combination on, my horses feet have continued to stay good with very little problems and a lot of track work.
Oh and the other reason I like this particular way of doing things is that when necessary, I can do this myself, no help needed, no hard foot preparation other than a trim. while there are a few tricks to doing this, its nothing that you can not handle on your own, once you get the hang of the timing involved.
Sorry for the long post, but I really want you and Hank to have a great pain free and rideable summer.
Rachelle
Not sure I helped with the boot decision
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 8:11 am:
HMMMM Rachelle, yes I think you are right his environment had changed, his feet have been wet for 3 weeks, and I haven't ridden for about the same amount of time because of said weather and time restraints.
He was tippy toeing pretty good on the pavement yesterday, and stopped everytime I needed to just cross gravel and didn't want to. When we crossed he tripped and was quite ouchy. Bruising his soles would set us back for a LONG time.
He NEEDS to be rode because he is getting FAT again. I am going to skim back his turnout time until I can get him in steady work. I have a friend moving her horse here and we plan on riding a lot. That will be so good for him, but I don't think his hooves will hold up to it... Actually I'm pretty sure. He is doing excellent on the now rock hard ground in the pasture and paddock.
Quite frankly I HATE boots I considered sole guard but I think his soles are too flat for that.
I'll have to look into hoofwear when I get home, can you ride in the casts? I don't like the thought of keeping his soles covered all the time either or they will get soft and mushy, boots seem to be the only way to go so he can be barefoot most of the time and I can continue to condition them. I was looking at all the boots available and with his "pancake feet" not sure which one's would fit him best.
I am so looking forward to being able to ride him this summer, and it is very good for his "metabolic issues" which are quite under control right now.
Bonesy has hooves of steel and are quite concave and I noticed he wasn't liking being ridden on the hard stuff as much either(not as bad as Hank). I think all their hooves got quite soft in the last couple weeks. I still think keeping boots on hand would be a good idea. He is NOT going to be a lame pasture potato this year
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ajudson1
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 9:12 am:
Diane,
I would add that you have come a long way indeed yet I think there is still room for improvement with Hank's hoofs. If I remember correctly you still have flares, and is he gaining concavity?
There are many many factors contributing to his "ouchiness" and I wouldn't say it's JUST sole tenderness, or JUST flares, OR JUST any one thing.
How about a happy medium? Start putting some sole hardener on him? I don't know a product right off hand, but there are many.
I think it's the stimulation of movement that will change his foot for the better. If he's ouchy, a few feet across a gravel road won't be the worst thing, IMHO, but the riding will be good in other spots.
Keeping boots on hand will be good, and use them if you are riding totally on gravel of course. If you are just crossing gravel now & then, let him pick his way across it at his speed. All my horses slow down at some spots, no biggie.
Of course my "gravel" road is more sand, unless it's time for the once a month grading, then it's boulders and sand, lol!
Good Luck.
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stek
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:28 am:
Diane I would agree that the wet weather has softened up Hank's feet and that is what is setting you back. My horses have been barefoot for years but after a stretch of wet weather they will always get touchy on sharp gravel. Can you start working him some in the arena and see if the combination of work and coarse surface stimulates sole production a bit?
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 5:39 pm:
HMMM well I guess it is worth a try. I had been using thushbuster on his soles to harden them and it worked very well, Then I ran out and keep forgetting to order it
Angie, no he is far from a perfect hoof, but very much improved. I may never be able to get rid of that stretched WL, which in essence is his flares. They are still improving tho, so I haven't given up hope. That line that was in his hoof(toe flare) is about 1/2 inch away from the ground, once that hits I hope the stretched WL is better.
I guess I'll order some more thrushbuster and see if that helps, if not then go to boots. I don't want him to start acting like an Ass again because his hooves hurt. I LIKE my GOOD boy
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dustee
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 6:38 pm:
Diane - I thought I would lose my mind last year with abscesses, sole bruises, and soft feet on my QH mare. I did get a set of Old Mac boots for her during the "horrid" times, and I will keep them clean, knowing I will probably need them again. However, and I know there are different thoughts in the info here, I purchased Keratex Hoof Hardener. My horse's feet were so terribly soft because of the rain and puddles I was ready to give her away. I started the Keratex Hoof Hardener and did it daily for about a week, then reduced to three times a week, then down to two...and now I am on maybe twice a month. This was the turning point for us. By keeping the feet a bit harder, it also kept foreign "things" from working their way into the hoof. I think it was about $40.00 for a bottle with brushes, but I still have a bit left, and I got it last September. I do not over-do using it - but I sure love to have it around. If I hear it's going to rain for three days - I use it before it starts!! For me - well worth the expense!!Dustee
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cometrdr
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 7:02 pm:
its my understanding also that horses need time - lots of time to get their land feet. I just have my back feet bare on my two and one is just fine one is very touchy still. I have to hold off on just giving in to the 'easy' and having him shod.
He is a cronic overreacher and pulls front shoes all the time - this was a perfect solution. Only for trail do I have to watch for him. then no trotting on rocky places. its been 3 shoeings so far and he is doing very well so far. My neighbors - who all have barefoot horses say some times it takes up to a year - and Shannon is correct - when it;s moist on their feet they notice it more. hang in there Hank is ok....
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rtrotter
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 7:14 pm:
Diane,
I'll second Dustylin on the Keratex. The idea behind the Keratex is that it keeps the moisture level the same in the hoof no matter what the weather is.
As far as the Hoofwear goes, if you will be on any type of concrete,hard pavement or cement. I would not recommend it. It tends to become slippery on these types of surfaces and I found my horses slipping with it when they did not have shoes attached.
However, it works fine anywhere else. The Hoofwear rolls are 4 yards long, I use 1 yard per foot and can do 4 feet with one roll, but I am only using the hoofwear to have something to attach the shoe to and to cut down the hoof prep time that would normally be needed if I chose to glue on the shoes. Also the cost of doing it this way is 1/4 the cost of glue on shoes.
Basically, what I am trying to get at is if you intend to do a lot of riding, you are going to get very tired of putting on and taking off the boots, this gives you an nailess option in case you get it into your head that Hank needs to be in shoes again.
Rachelle
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 9:12 pm:
I know about putting boots on and off, that's why I hate them LOL. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try hoof toughener first. After all he WAS doing well on the hard stuff and gravel before our monsoons.
I have heard good things about Keratex, I tried Durasole last year and it didn't seem to help much. The thrushbuster was awesome at hardening his soles. I'll give that a try before I buy my 1000th pair of boots. Hope it works. Hank is not acting like his hooves are Inflamed any way. No DP's and no heat at all. If they start coming back into play I will have to get the dreaded boots I think.
THANKS for the good ideas!
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chance1
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 9:31 pm:
Hi,
Both my horses are barefoot. The 7 yo, because of an injury and Davis suggested he go barefoot. The 3 yo because she seems to have good hard feet. I do use boots on them both when I ride, but only on the front feet. I've been very happy with Easy Boot Gloves. They are very easy on and off, light but durable and the horses seem comfortable. No rubbing and they don't seem to get rocks or pebbles in them. I've used one pair almost daily for 8 months on asphalt and rocks and they show very little wear. I also do arena work with them and they don't seem to get in the way. I have also used a sole toughener that consists of formadehyde and iodine. It seems to work well...just don't get it on your hands.
Hope this helps. }
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 9:54 pm:
Thanks Ruthi, I have been leaning towards the gloves, but wasn't sure if Mr. Pancake hoof would fit in them. I will have to measure his hooves tomorrow, they really aren't quite so bell shaped anymore.
Do you just slip them on? is there any hardware? Are they hard to stretch onto the hoof??? TIA
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chance1
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 11:10 pm:
Hi Diane,
You just fold back the fabric part, slip the boot on and the bring the fabric part back up and velcro them on. No hardware to deal with. You can get a fitting kit from Valley Vet for $8. and I think you get to put the $8 toward the purchase of the boots when you return the kit. I'm not sure about that part, but I do know that Valley Vet had the best price I could find and free shipping too.
I've tried other boots but these have been the best so far.
Good luck,
Ruthi
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mariean
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 11:30 pm:
Just my two cents, but I have used Easy Boots for rides (primarily arena work) and have been mostly satisfied with them. They do require some practice getting on and off, but I found they were less "clunky" then other boots, and did not interfere as much with his movement. A plus was I was able to adjuster one pair for use on front or back. I haven't tried the Easy Boot gloves, but a friend has with mixed results.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 7:37 am:
Diane,
Regarding those flares and stretched WL, I've been discussing that with my hoof helper, and she says they WILL go away. And as you may recall, I have that with Tango too, and he gets ouchy sometimes also. I know how hard it is to see a horse in any discomfort, and it's such a hard call to decide what to do; protect or just let the horse decide what he can handle?
What if you give it another month before you purchase anything? As said above, those hoofs need time like muscles to get stronger, and if your weather has been back and forth/wet/dry, that makes sense to me. He's moving on pasture, dry lot, and back, plus a little bit of riding, right? Unless you plan on endurance riding, I bet he'll be o.k.!
Just my thoughts at this point on my barefoot journey.
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scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 7:51 am:
Yes he is moving 100% in HIS environment, once again a first for this time of year
I think I will try sole toughener and see what happens, I really DON'T want to buy more boots, but if I have to I will.
I hope those flares/stretched WL eventually go away, he has been a chronic founder with bad hooves for so long tho, it may not be possible.
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leilani
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Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 4:07 pm:
Hi Diane,
I use Keratex Gel every other day on both my mares, sometimes every day in rainy season.
Anuhea wears Easy Boot Gloves when we ride on tough ground here on the Kona side. Up in Waimea there is very little rock so she doesn't need them.
If you decide to buy your 100th boot, work directly with EasyCare. With the Glove, they sent me a kit with 3 different sizes so I could determine the correct size before buying. Nice people to work with.
Leilani
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dustee
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Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 7:39 pm:
Diane - you can google Keratex and buy direct from them on any Keratex product.
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leilani
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Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 - 12:55 am:
Thanks dustylin, I forgot to mention I only deal with manufactures if I can. Keratex has a great shipping policy. Leilani
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 11:45 am:
You guys were absolutely right about the wet conditions I think. It has dried up here, I have been letting Hank just be a pasture potato until he was sound on hard ground on handwalks, well it finally happened. I rode him yesterday and this morning and he is back to CLIP CLOP on pavement, no hesitation or tripping on gravel. The best part is I didn't do anything other than trim his hooves a little, no sole tougheners or anything. PLUS he is now on 24/7 turnout. While fatter than I would like him to be, I can now start riding him a little more, and with that clover being gone the boy handles grass just fine. I am just doing short rides on the pavement and gravel at this point to once again condition his hooves. Hank sound through the month of MAY is a miracle in itself wet or dry. The farrier is coming next week, while I think Hank has his own set of hoof problems the farrier leaving him on his sole has been a source of our continued sole bruising...still debating whether to let him touch them or not. After our talk last time he did OK with his hooves and didn't leave him on his sole... I could use a little help as long as no harm is done.
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vickiann
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Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 11:25 am:
Good news, Diane.
Hank has come so far and I'm glad that he is doing well again.
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Jul 16, 2010 - 11:46 pm:
Has anyone tried Boa boots???
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 - 6:32 pm:
HMMMM it appears Hank has a good shape of hoof for Renegade boots now, I may try them. I was thinking about getting red ones and the first thing that crossed my mind was firey feet... he has enough get up and go, better go with a calming color.
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vickiann
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Posted on Saturday, Jul 17, 2010 - 8:23 pm:
The Renegades are pretty awesome, Diane.
Lots to like about the design.
But they ARE expensive.
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lilo
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 - 10:27 am:
I have never had to use hoof boots, but my trimmer likes Renegades the best for the horses she works with.
Lilo
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vickiann
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 - 12:36 pm:
I've got red ones for my Lance as red is his color!
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kpaint
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 - 9:10 pm:
My trimmer said the Renegraes were great; however, in her opinion were better for drier, rockier environment and she preferred the Easy Boot Gloves for our Midwest environment.
For what it's worth...
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 18, 2010 - 9:58 pm:
I'm still looking at boots, I can't decide I can rule out the gloves, Hanks hoof is not the right shape for them.
He will fit in Old Mac's
Renegades
Boa boots
and Cavallo sports which I find interesting.
I hope to have to not use them all the time so I really don't need anything Great... Just comfy for him and EASY for me...The cavallo Sport boots seem to fit that criteria... I'm leaning towards them right now..
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vickiann
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Posted on Monday, Jul 19, 2010 - 1:00 pm:
Diane,
I bought Cavallos and the sock liner things that go between the boots and the foot. There are a couple of different systems available from them.
Lance got bad burns (no, it was not rubbing) on the back of his heel bulbs from the type of chemicals used in making the product, just like people got from wearing those Chinese-made flip flops. The burns looked exactly the same and took many, many weeks to heal up.
Unless something has changed, the Cavallos are made in China and I cannot recommend them.
I also bought a horse pad that was made by them out of some supposedly fabulous, futuristic material and it took multiple layers of Lance's skin right off.
Maybe this would not happen for every horse but with Lance (who is sensitive) it was really bad news.
One thing that I like about the Renegades is that they are made in the U.S.A. but they are harder to put on the horse.
I would probably recommend the Old Macs ahead of the Cavallos as that is what the sheriff's posse uses all around here when riding out on the roadways.
The key is getting a good fit and I have talked to riders who have used the Old Macs in all kinds of trail conditions with excellent results, as long as the fit is correct.
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annes
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Posted on Monday, Jul 19, 2010 - 2:43 pm:
Before yesterday I'd had no experience with horse boots but I am a fan of Old Macs now. Sunday I went with a friend and her horses to the lake for a day ride. The horse I was riding lost a front shoe. My friend had a pair of Old Macs in the trailer that belonged to another horse but luckily they were a perfect fit for this horse. We rode the rest of the day, lots of trail and rocks with not even a trip or mis-step. They were easy on/off and I was so impressed that I have decided to order a pair of the Old Macs for my barefoot horse. I have not wanted to shoe him to be able to ride in these rocky places but maybe I will be taking him to a ride at the lake in the near future!
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Jul 19, 2010 - 2:57 pm:
Maybe I should stick with the tried but true Old Macs, I did like them very much when I used them on Sam. Hank actually has a pair... they are too big now...of course. I tried them on him and hand walked him...wonder if there is a way to make them fit a little better. Handwalking was fine, but they are not tight enough for riding I don't think.. I really hate the thought of buying another pair of any boots!!
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rtrotter
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Posted on Monday, Jul 19, 2010 - 8:57 pm:
Diane,
Here are a couple of suggestions for getting your old boots to fit as long as they are not too, too big. Find a pair of socks(or two pair, if you can't find the right thickness). Mens ankle socks work well. Pull on and fold down, makes a good pastern wrap protector and acts like a gaiter to form fit the boot to the horse.
You can also use a gum rubber quarter boot to take up some slack. I'd use black tape around the quarter boot to prevent it from slipping.
To those of you who have horses that like to pull their bandages off. cut off the bottom of an old sock and pull it over the bandage horses can't get to the velcro( unless very talented) bandages stay on.
Have fun
Rachelle
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annes
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 21, 2010 - 12:42 pm:
After my research on boots, my horse will not fit into Old Macs. Evidently they are for horses with wider feet. He could use the Old Mac G2 but with inserts. The Boa looks like it would be the best fit for him. I see negatives and positives...does anyone have a comment on the Boa?
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mariean
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 21, 2010 - 2:59 pm:
I have a pair of boas, for me I thought they were heavy, cluncky, and rubbed.
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annes
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 21, 2010 - 3:54 pm:
Thanks...the boas also seemed like they needed more TLC to maintain. I am leaning toward the Old Mac G2 with insert.
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scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, Jul 21, 2010 - 5:04 pm:
Ann have you seen the cavallo sport boot (not the simple boot)? They may be the right fit for your horse. I had a friend that had to use inserts with her old macs and they really never fit right.
I was leaning towards the cavallo SPORT boot, they are not the same material as the cavallo simple boot, They look very much like Old Macs... but easier.
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annes
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 22, 2010 - 10:55 am:
Thanks Diane. I will look them up. I just can't seem to make a decision. And to further complicate things now I am not 100% sure which of two horses I would rather trailer to ride in these rocky places. Both are barefoot and would need front boots. The $$ are adding up!!
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annes
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 22, 2010 - 11:47 am:
Diane, thanks so much for the info. I read about the Cavallo Sport and they do sound like the best choice. I was able to print off a measuring guide and will double check my measurements tonight. They are also less expensive than the others I considered. I am going to measure my 2nd horse to see if the Sport will work for him too - his feet are wider. (we will never run out of things to spend money on as long as we have horses, will we??)
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cometrdr
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 22, 2010 - 11:48 am:
I have the Old macs with the Neoprene insert - Diane is right - it doesn't fit perfect - the insert but it has Velcro and can be adjusted to size. I use it all the time to keep the boot tight and to keep it from rubbing the fetlock and leg area where I snug up the boot. I like the boots they are sturdy and have lasted a long time...I would buy them again if i need to - (but they look like a few more years are in order still!)
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 22, 2010 - 8:54 pm:
Ann if you get them report back...I am still procrastinating whether to get Hank boots or not,but was leaning heavily towards the "sport" boot, I sure liked the looks of them and the easy way they go on.
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annes
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Posted on Friday, Jul 23, 2010 - 2:48 pm:
Just ordered the boots, size 2. There is a possibility they will also fit my other horse. Will let you know how it works out.
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Jul 23, 2010 - 8:51 pm:
Will be waiting for the critique, I would like to get some boots for Hank for JIC, but with already 100 boots I can't use I hesitate to order anything!!! So you can start your collection If you like them I may go for these, what's another pair amongst 100 any way Hope you like them!!!
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 25, 2010 - 2:31 pm:
Rachelle I tried the sock on Hank with his old macs and turned him out, if they are still on right when he comes up I will try riding in them like that, another caveat, the sock keeps the flies off his legs. I beveled the crap out of his hoof, it really needed it and put some TB on his soles. I think I took an inch off his toes.
Ann still waiting with baited breath for your Critique
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 25, 2010 - 7:35 pm:
HMMM so Hank had his nice fleece socks and boots on for about 6hrs. I did thrushbuster his sole before putting them on, I was impressed..No rubs and his hoof was still very dry I rode him for a couple miles at walk trot and he seemed comfortable with them...they still don't fit as well as I would like and not sure I would want to ride a long ways in them. I also have to remove some more hoof so his hoof will be even smaller..BUT''' look to the update on hoof Critique
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vickiann
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 25, 2010 - 9:13 pm:
Yeah, extra boots that don't fit, like extra saddles that don't fit look really cool when displayed around the tack room, Diane!
Hope Hank will do better with the toe removal that you did, and the beveling.
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annes
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 - 3:16 pm:
I am still waiting on the boots which were to be shipped FedEx. The Fed Ex truck came down the road on Sat and I ran out the door thinking it was for me but they didn't stop. I may have to check on my order if they don't come today...
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annes
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 3:16 pm:
Diane -- I finally got the Cavallo Sport boots on Friday! They are super easy on/off and seem to be the correct fit for Levi (size 2). I led him around in the boots so he could get used to them. He did stare at his feet with a look of alarm and did some "high stepping" for a minute or two. After that he was fine. The 2nd night he was unconcerned about the boots and I rode him on the gravel road, on the paved road, through the pasture and woods, up and down hills. He did fine on all surfaces and didn't even slow down on the gravel road. We were gone for about 45 min. and there were no rubs when I removed his boots. I am VERY happy so far and plan to order a pair for my other horse (he will need a larger size). I can't believe I haven't ordered boots before now. If you decide to order for Hank, let me know how you like them.
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 4:08 pm:
Ann THANKS I was going to ask tonight on this thread if you had received them, Hank is still a little tender and the old Macs with a sock is a PIA.
Hank has a round hoof, I think you said your horse does too, they fit the round hooved horse OK???
I think I will order some myself...Thanks for letting me know how you like them, Super easy is what I'm looking for!
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annes
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 4:41 pm:
Cavallo says the Sport is more for a narrow hoof which is why it fit Levi best. My other horse has more of a round hoof (almost as wide as long). The Simple Boot is more for horses with a wider hoof according to the website. They open up the same way as the Sport for easy on/off and have a little different closure but just as easy. The Cavallo reps are very helpful and the price was the same ($129) as other places. I think Buster will need a size 3 and I will get the Sport if his width will work but I am guessing the best fit for him will be the Simple Boot. I am going to place my order by phone to make sure they agree on the size/boot he needs. I plan to measure him tonight. By the way, my husband saw me riding and asked when I got tennis shoes for the horse!! Good luck with your order.
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 4:55 pm:
Thanks Ann the reason I have been hesitant to order the sport boot is because of Hanks "pancake" feet. Last I measured them they were a just a smidge longer then wide.
The simple boot makes me a little leary, I have heard of problems with rubs with them, the material is different..I like the sport boot material and "build" much better (from the pics anyway!) HMMM now I am on the fence whether they will fit Hanks round hoof again
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 4:58 pm:
BTW they are on sale right now at Valley vet for $119.. I need to make a decision!!!
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 5:35 pm:
I will look into that too! Thanks.
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 3, 2010 - 5:40 pm:
BUT BUT Ann HELP do you think they would fit a round hoof??? I'm on my way out to measure him now.
What were your horses measurements that they fit, much narrower?? Can you tell I am a bit boot shy
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 2:39 pm:
Diane - Sorry to be late responding, I didn't work yesterday and didn't check in. My horse (with narrow hoof) measured 4 1/4 Wide and 4 5/8 Long - the Size 2 Cavallo Sport was a great fit for him. Today I ordered the Simple Boot for my round hoof horse because his measurement was a smidge less than 5 inches Wide AND Long. The Cavallo Rep said without hesitation that the Sport would not work for this horse and he would need the Simple Boot. She said the Sport is made 1/4 inch narrower especially for the narrow hoof. The Simple Boot is made equal in width & length. I found out the other differences in the two boots are: Simple Boot is 10% heavier, has a little more aggressive tread and all leather upper. I had hoped the Sport would fit my 2nd horse but I think the Simple Boot will be just as easy and work as well. I will let you know when I try them out. I agree it is complicated to try and figure all this out!
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 7:04 pm:
I am in Australia.
Can anyone shed any advice.
I have 2 clydesdales who are unshod. They can go anywhere without feeling the sharpest rocks. My young 4yo Arab seems to have hard feet for her work programme at the moment.
My thoroughbred horse has DrOpped soles. When due for shoeing he feels the rocks. I showjump and event him and would be terrified of wearing boots.
Have not read through all the information on this thread, but as the emails come in I have been looking for info on showjumpers/eventers wearing boots
Thanks
Marcia
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 7:30 pm:
I am not sure about Australia but I believe that Boots are not acceptable in the arena for Jumpers and eventers? Any one Chime in here - but I think that is not allowed. ???
but if your horse has tender soles have you tried pads under the shoes? I had a horse that had issues so we put Pads under both front feet (fronts only) and shod all 4. that my help his sensitivity problems. ???
worth a try talk to your farrier they are really good and resolving those issues.... and they may know about the boots at shoes in your area.
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 8:06 pm:
Hi Muffi
I have pads put on the front shoes and this most certainly is the answer with shoes.. I know many endurance riders use boots here. I wondered how the boots would go for grip when jumping.
I watched one rider at our local fun day and it looked very treacherous.
Cheers
Marcia
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 8:30 pm:
I would think the easy boot glove would be good for jumping..as long as you got a good fit, they are lightweight and fit snugly if your horse has the right shape for them.
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 8:38 pm:
BTW thanks Ann for your report I appreciate it very much...still undecided, I think MAYBE he would fit in the sport boot, I need to trim him then measure again. Let me know how you like the simple boot compared to the sport...TIA
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 5, 2010 - 11:43 pm:
Hi DianE
Where could I see a photo of the easy boot glove if you think it would be good for jumping. I would like more details please.
Marcia
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Posted on Friday, Aug 6, 2010 - 6:45 am:
https://www.easycareinc.com/our_boots/easyboot_glove/Easyboot_glove.aspx
If you call easy care they could probably ans. any questions you have
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 - 9:03 am:
AnnS did you get your cavallo simple boots??? Do you like them as well as the sport?
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 - 3:48 pm:
Diane, I got the Simple boots and was able to ride several times over the weekend. Buster walks over the gravel without any problem and I like them just as well as the Sport. They are a tad big as the size 3 doesn't fit him quite as well as the size 2 Sport fit my other horse. I decided to order gel pads and tried them out last night and it did tighten up the fit. The Simple Boot is just as easy on/off and I didn't notice it being heavier. The velcro straps are different but still easy & fast. It is so nice to ride and not worry about gravel roads and rocks. I also noticed he will gait longer and not slow down or stop due to the hard ground. I just can't think of any negatives at this point and am very pleased with both boots. Good luck if you decide to order.
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 - 5:37 pm:
Thanks Ann, at valley vet they are having a special and including the gel pad if you order the simple boot...which is on sale too!
One more question did you have problems with rubs with either style of boot? or do you use the pastern wrap?? Hank went really well in the old macs last night, but the cavallos are cheaper and a little easier so would like to try them I think..
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 17, 2010 - 7:12 pm:
Bit the bullet and ordered the simple boot, figuring the size was kind of difficult, he is kind of right on the line of the 3-4 size so ordered the 3's since you said, and I have read they can run slightly big and he can stand to have a little toe trimmed off.
I HOPE they fit!!!!
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 - 11:12 am:
Diane, I did not have any rubs on either horse with either boot. I did not order the pastern wraps and won't unless I start to notice small rocks going into the collar of the boot. That shouldn't happen riding on my farm but when I take them to the lake riding it will be the real test for that. Buster's Simple Boot is more open at the collar (I can get two fingers in at the back) than Levi's Sport boot. I still think the size 3 was correct for Buster but his measurement fell in the middle of the size 3 so that caused the extra room. The gel pad really helps give a tighter fit and he will still have some room for hoof growth since his feet grow very fast between trims. I don't need to use the gel pads in Levi's boots. I can't stress enough how pleased I am with both boots and wish I had ordered them years ago. I will not always need to use them but with the dry hard ground this time of year they are the best solution for my situation and I will have to use them when I trailer to other places. Good luck with the fit and let me know when you try them out on Hank. I hope you are as happy with them as I am!! Sounds like you got a good deal at Valley Vet and I did get my gel pads there.
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 - 10:56 pm:
Hey Diane, I got a pair for Levi, and I love them. They are easy to put on and fit him really well. No Rubbing so far, but the pastern wrap things were a waste of money. Levi had the velcro torn in 2 days. I had custom made inserts made at the vet for Levi, but he is back to barefoot again.
I think you will be pleased, let us know.
suz
Hey Ann, you have a Levi too
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 18, 2010 - 10:59 pm:
Hey Diane, I got a pair for Levi, and I love them. They are easy to put on and fit him really well. No Rubbing so far, but the pastern wrap things were a waste of money. Levi had the velcro torn in 2 days. I had custom made inserts made at the vet for Levi, but he is back to barefoot again.
I think you will be pleased, let us know.
suz
Hey Ann, you have a Levi too
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 - 1:12 pm:
Suz, thanks for the tip on the pastern wrap. I am sure I'd have the same thing happen. The last fly mask I bought lasted two days! Yes, I have a Levi and he is a character. My farrier likes to say, "he is just being Levi" in response to why he does something!!
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Posted on Friday, Aug 20, 2010 - 5:30 pm:
The 3's fit. They are very easy on and off and I can see how the simple boots are made for a more round hoof, I don't think Mr. platter foot would have fit in the sport version.
He walked off fine in them, I hadn't put the gel pads in yet.. because...guess what it's raining!!!
Hopefully I can try them out while riding this weekend sometime.!
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 - 10:10 pm:
Hi All, having read all your posts, I realize I am not the only one with the "boot quandary". My guy with the WLD is better, after a few dreadful weeks of abscesses. But he is still not 100% BF, unfortunately. Since he will soon be 20, I am torn as to whether to keep trying this "barefoot" thing, and buy my umpteenth pair of boots, or try the Epona shoe. He's been on and off lame since April, and despite him losing weight and reducing his IR significantly, he still moves around like an old man.
Anyone have any experience with the Eponas - good bad or otherwise?
Nancy
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 22, 2010 - 11:41 pm:
Hi nancy, have never used the Eponas. I have heard/read good and bad about them as everything I guess. What sort of offness is your horse presenting with? I think this crazy weather, and vicious bugs has quite a few horses "off". I am struggling with Hank this year also. I almost went back to shoes, but as you can see above I broke down and bought my 100th pair of boots! I'm glad I did. Hank is finally on the upswing now that the stomping is under control and it stopped raining.
I wasn't real sure I liked the cavallos when they arrived, and had thought maybe I should have gone with the old macs again, but the more I use them the more I like them. The OM's sometimes caused rubbing, I have not had that problem with the cavallos.
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Posted on Friday, Aug 27, 2010 - 2:41 pm:
Thought I'd give my opinion of the Cavallos SIMPLE boot after using them many times. I do like them, easy on and easy off. I have been putting quite a few miles on Hank in them and am very impressed with no rubs, the OM's always seemed to cause some rubs on the heel bulb. Hank seems comfortable in them and plows right along on gravel or paved roads. I don't think they are quite as well made as the more expensive boots, but if I can get a good year or 2 out of them I'll be happy, much cheaper than shoeing and more healthy for his hooves... I LIKE them
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Posted on Friday, Aug 27, 2010 - 2:46 pm:
Good news, Diane.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 2:47 pm:
Well I am not so impressed with the Cavallo SIMPLE boot the more I have used them. The threading is already coming undone, Hank seemed more comfortable in old macs. I will use these until they are no longer usable, but wouldn't get them again. JMHO
They are cheaply made I think, he hasn't gotten any rubs and they are easy on and off, but they are already falling apart and I really haven't used them that much
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 4:18 pm:
Diane, I think I would call the company and tell them your experience. I think they would want to hear your experience as I don't think the boots are supposed to wear out so quickly and perhaps your pair had defective thread or something. I bet they will offer to replace. You're not leaving them on for turnout are you?
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 5:00 pm:
No turnout just riding in them, they are cheaply made compared to the old Macs I have. They don't seem to be as comfortable to Hank as the old Macs were either....more clunky and they squeak! Maybe I got a defected pair, they are doing the job, but once they are done I won't get another pair.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 5:28 pm:
One of the liner sock things that are an option with some of their boots split open the first time that I put it on Lance.
I've been on record before that I found them unsatisfactory but mostly because of the horrible reaction that Lance had to the material used to make them, but that was about 3 years ago.
And I really prefer made in the U.S.A. to made in China.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 5:35 pm:
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I am starting to check a lot of labels - looking for more American made goods!!
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 6:11 pm:
Yes, dustylin. I am also always look for "made in USA". However, the majority of items I need come with "made in China" or some other country.
Lilo
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 6:15 pm:
I am sorry to hear that about the boots. I have been looking at all the boots out there and it is mind boggling the price ranges and styles. So I just keep putting off ordering any, and cross my fingers everyone will have rock crunching hoofs now that it is drying up finally. Hopefully you get enough use out of them to get Hank past this next phase with his hoofs.
I would call or send a letter too. The older I get, the less tolerance I have when it's our families money going out and we are getting shabby products or service.
I just read some place that persistance pays off too; don't just write or call once if you don't like what you hear back.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 6:36 pm:
Which boots are made in the U.S., when looking at boots and trying to decide, none of them really stated where their origins were? I even researched a little and drew a blank where most are manufactured.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 6:49 pm:
Ditto on the Cavallos, mine squeak and flop and are terrible. Don't flex with the foot.
I got some Epics for another horse and I LOVE them for him. Not right for every hoof shape, unfortunately, but a BIG difference from the Cavellos.
Nancy
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 7:16 pm:
Renegades are made in the U.S.A. and have had a lot of study by experts to arrive at their product.
Don't know what others may be made here.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 10:48 pm:
I told my friend tonight that shoes would be a heck of a lot easier!!!! Hank is getting to the point of going back bare hooved soon I think... he still has VERY little wall tho, with all the moisture they chipped and cracked off, so did Sam's. At this point I am going to take over their trimming for awhile, even tho the farrier was quite conservative both boys walked away tender footed. It's just sooo much work!!!!
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 5, 2010 - 10:49 pm:
AND that squeaking is enough to try a person nuts! It is REALLY bad.
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Posted on Monday, Sep 6, 2010 - 9:25 am:
Vicky, a friend is going to lend me a pair of renegades and I am eager to try them on the horse I have been using the Epics on. I am not sure they work really well for horses with really wide feet, but I'm going to see how they work and report back
If anyone is interested in a pair of Boas, size 2, they can have them for the cost of shipping. They were given to me but won't fit anyone that I own, plus I think I like the boots that are below the hairline the best. That said, someone else may love the Boas. But I agree with Diane about the Cavellos. The only reason I bought them was because they were one of the few boots that fit really wide feet.
nancy
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Posted on Monday, Sep 6, 2010 - 2:41 pm:
https://www.naturalhorsetrim.com/boot_swap.htm
This site is for buying/selling/trading hoof boots. I have not used it yet but it may help us on our quest for the perfect (affordable) boot.
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Posted on Monday, Sep 6, 2010 - 4:09 pm:
I have Boa boots for my horse. They fit his saucer hooves and if I remember right, they were the only ones that did.
They are heavy and clunky but when used regularly, my horse does fine in them. I do need to really encourage him to get off his forehand but that is good for him. If he is balanced, he moves real nice in them.
As Rochelle mentions, I too was concerned with the weight causing leg issues so I work up slowly the time in the boots and not too much trot or canter when he is not used to wearing them. I let him tell me if he is tired and I don't push until I feel he's had enough time to build the muscle to handle it.
The Boa's are very well made. Solid with a good tread on the bottom for traction. The fastening system works easily, but I tighten them in three steps to make sure they won't slip. I use the gators inside to help keep rocks and dirt from getting in, and that seems to work well.
It takes me about 10 minutes to put two boots on his fronts. It took a lot longer when I first got them, but now we have it down to a routine. We use pads inside and the pads squeak, which is a bit annoying.
Overall, I would buy the same thing again if I needed another set. I've had these for two years now and they show no signs of wear.
Hope that helps.
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Posted on Monday, Sep 6, 2010 - 4:42 pm:
I e-mailed the co. and told them of my problems, they want me to take a picture of the unraveling thread (I hope with this new camera I can get a good one!) I also told them about the squeak that drives me nuts and would like a refund...we'll see what happens..........
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 8, 2010 - 2:09 pm:
Diane - I am just seeing your post today and am sorry to hear you've had problems with the boots. I am still pleased with the ones I have. The Sport fit Levi so well there is no noise issue whatsoever but the Simple Boot does make a clopping sound on Buster. The fit is not as tight with his boots but the gel pad helped a lot. I haven't had any wearing issues or threads coming out. I do rinse them well when they get muddy. A friend told me the mud is what really does them in. I helped my husband herd some cows on Monday and Buster got quite a workout in the boots, much of it at a trot. It was very uneven ground and he was not ouchy at all and did not stumble even once. I was very pleased. Surely the company will refund your money!! You have only had the boots for a very short time. I will be interested to hear what happens.
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 8, 2010 - 8:36 pm:
Ann I wish big foot would fit in the sport version. I think maybe now he would since his flares are under control, I need to measure again. I think that horrible squeaking noise is from the leather. The clopping I can stand
The lady from Cavellos has been very nice and answered all my e-mails, she said due to the thread unraveling I could exchange them or get a refund. I wouldn't mind trying the sport boot, that's the one I have liked the looks of all along, I really don't like the simple boot much (other than it is easy) I am going to ask her I could exchange them for the sport boot instead of the simple boot if they will fit him.
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Posted on Friday, Sep 10, 2010 - 8:19 pm:
If nothing else about Cavallo's I have to say there customer service is awesome. The lady gave me the option of anything I'd like...refund, New Simple boots, or the sport boot. I decided to try the sport boot, after measuring Hanks hoof I THINK they will work. Stay tuned
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