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Discussion on Do Dogs get the Same Worms as Horses?
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ajudson1
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 8:34 am:
DrO,
Our Jack Russell Terrier thinks all forms of horse manure is a delicacy. He seems to need his daily dose of it!
Do dogs carry the same species of worms as horses? Is yes, should us horse owners be worming our dogs on the same schedule as our horses? And with a similar product at the same time?
Would dogs using the pastures for a toilet possibly give the worms back to the horses, or don't it work that way?
I believe you have a small animal vet clinic also, so I hope you don't mind the questions!
Thanks!
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suecrane
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 8:58 am:
My dogs also love horse manure (why does it smell so much worse on their breath than in the pasture?)
I use Heartgard Plus for heartworm treatment. It has the advantage of also acting as an intestinal dewormer.
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canter
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 10:26 am:
Interesting question, Angie. The Bernese Mt dogs at the barn do love their horse poop snacks!
I'll be very interested in DrO's take on it.
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stek
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 10:31 am:
I asked my small animal vet this and she said dogs and horses do not share parasites, so the only danger of letting your dogs snack on horse poo is their nasty breath =)
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aannk
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 10:50 am:
Uh, they may not get worms from it, but remember, many herding dogs have a deadly reaction to ivermetin, so if you have a corgi, collie, german shepard, or any mixes, they can die from eating horse manure if the horse has been wormed with an ivermectin.
Alicia
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ajudson1
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 11:55 am:
I didn't think the worms looked the same, looking at the wormer fact sheet. Still don't understand his fascination with eating horse crap! I also can't have him out with me if I am trimming, he is just under the horse lapping up hoof flakes.
I buy GOOD dog food, they also get raw venison a few times a week, a daily oil sup, plus joint sup. Our Lab don't eat the poo, he much prefers people food.
Of course given a choice between him eating it, and rolling in it, his 2nd favorite thing to do...
Thanks for the feed back.
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paladin
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 7:42 pm:
I'd also be interested to hear how dangerous "processed" ivermectin is to dogs. I believe I read once that once it goes through the horse, it's not much of a risk to dogs, even the sensitive breeds.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 10:03 pm:
I don't get how dogs can have a bad reaction to ivermectin; isn't that what is in heartworm medication? And the product I used, WormXPlus, is pyrantel pamoate/praziquantel for dogs.
I am careful of course when worming the horses that the dogs aren't out there.
BTW, Taz did his 2nd favorite thing with the poop of course that can only be expected as he did get his first outside bath of the season yesterday!!
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mmiracle
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 1:03 am:
I was told by a couple of veterinarians to keep our dogs away from the horse manure for 3 days after worming, and to remove, or spread all the manure during that time.
We have followed this regime, but if it isn't really necessary it would be much easier to leave it be. We generally remove manure once a week anyway.
I had an Australian Shepherd mix that reacted very negatively to Ivermectin, and currently have a Border Collie mix, so, I have always been very careful with collie breeds and worming medication.
Dr.O, what is your take on this issue?
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 8:09 am:
Hello All,
There are not any helminth parasites that are passed through the manure to dogs from horses.
As to the ivermectin deal, when you consider the amount passed in the stools at any one time and the degree of toxicity it seems very unlikely that most breeds of dogs would consume enough to be toxic. However do to the sensitivity of collie like breeds, it might be possible if the dog ate several pounds on a "as fed" basis at a time when the fecal excretion was highest. Ivermectin is detectable for 8 days following administration but significant decreases in concentration after the second day.
DrO
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