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Member:
npo33901

Posted on Monday, Jan 17, 2011 - 4:08 pm:

My two horses urinate outside on a small heap of pine needles which are on a gravel . I do change the needles and wash the place , but still, there is a smell .
I've been searching for elimination of the smell and came across of this product.
Does anybody know/use this product ?
Dr. O , can it harm the horses ?
Thank you.
Use this link Recommended%20Products%20%7C%20Dog%20Urine.webarchive
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Monday, Jan 17, 2011 - 4:23 pm:

Sorry, could not upload the page(too big attachment, nor the exact link) The actual product is called Oxi Blast (NOT Oxy Blast with a "Y") and comes from www.dogurinesolutions.com
Sorry, Anna Marie.
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 - 2:12 pm:

Hello Anna Marie,
No I do not know anything about this product. Have you considered caustic lyme, it is the traditional and effective urine odor fix. You would take up the soiled needles, apply small amounts to the gravel, then cover with the needles.

If the caustic part worries you there is a product called SweetPDZ (sp?). You should also run a search on our search engine there are many discussions on this.
DrO
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 - 5:46 pm:

Dr. O., thank you for your answer - I must say, I don't like the caustic lyme . Am afraid for the dogs and horses pawing and lying on it .
I shall try to find out more about Oxi Blast . And SweetPDZ.
AM.
Member:
mysi

Posted on Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 - 6:35 pm:

Anna-Marie,
I use SweetPDZ and it works great. They sell it at all the feed stores and tractor supply, its about $9 a bag and it lasts a long time,
Member:
mrose

Posted on Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 - 7:27 pm:

Another vote for PDZ!

in a bind I've also used the cat litter made for multiple cats. It's destroys odor and soaks up the wet spots.
Member:
rtrotter

Posted on Saturday, Jan 22, 2011 - 7:39 pm:

And yet another vote for Sweet PDZ, I use it in granular form, it seems to absorb more.

Here is another product I saw on an infomercial its Cat litter made from corn, I haven't tried it but it may work very well in this situation.

https://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com

Cheers
Rachelle
Member:
martina

Posted on Sunday, Jan 23, 2011 - 3:46 pm:

I use a product called "Stall Powder" that comes in a 40 lb. bucket. Frankly, I like it better than SweetPDZ. But I've used both and they're both effective!
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Monday, Jan 24, 2011 - 5:10 pm:

Thank you all for comments and advise . I got an answer today from a Sweet PDZ dealer in Europe !!!!!!!!
We'll see how my boys will like it .
Thanks again.....
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 - 3:25 am:

Hello Popularfurball,
Are you using Sweet PDZ or Stall Powder ?
If yes, where do you buy it from.?

I am still waiting for and answer from and Agent who is in Denmark .!!

I live in Portugal and it might be faster to get it from England, than to wait for this " Agent" to act.
Soon the hot weather sets in . Flies are already starting....

And - can you get fly preditors in England ?

Thank you, AM.
Member:
cometrdr

Posted on Wednesday, Feb 16, 2011 - 1:58 pm:

i have a question on that Caustic Lime - does that cause a problem in areas where the horses lie down to sleep? honestly I find the PDZ only marginally usefull for me.
in AZ for me at least - the best odor control is to take the wet areas if possible and let them 'sun dry' that will evaporate out the amonia in it. was always going to try the lime solution to see if it was more affective on that elimination of odor but also concerned as they pee in shavings, and soft areas - then (horrors for humans) they sleep in that same area.
Dr O? is it bad for them in the skin?
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Feb 17, 2011 - 7:00 pm:

Hello Muffi,
The first step is to dig out all the soiled areas of bedding all the way to the base. If you have a very wet base I would also remove that too and replace with fresh base. Then scatter a light covering of hydrated lime over the urine areas. If the base is still a little wet, you can rake it lightly in with the base. Rake used but clean bedding over the treated areas. Then re-bed the whole stall with fresh shavings to a depth of about 6 inches. It has been done this way by millions for decades without noticeably problems.

Be careful though, the lime is very fine and dusty until it contacts the moist ground surface so don't inhale the dust as you applyand don't get the dust in your eyes or trapped between clothing and your skin. I am sure to comply with govt. hazard rules will require very expensive clothing, air filters and eye protection if you handle this. Me, I keep in a well ventilated area, then move the bag to the stall I am working on and spread it carefully with a small shovel that gets into the open bag easily. Then I wash my hands afterward. If I had emphysema or COPD I might put on a inexpensive but well fitting dust mask.
DrO
PS: Here is the MSD sheet from Cemex on the substance. Definately scary reading:
Hydrated Lime
1. Identification of substance/preparation and company
Company: CEMEX UK Operations Ltd
CEMEX House, Evreux Way
Rugby, Warwickshire CV21 2DT
Tel: 01788 542111 (out of hours 01932 568833)
Fax: 01788 540166
Substance/preparation: Rugby Hydrated Lime
CAS No: 1305-62-0
Revision date: May 2006
Hazard information
2. Composition/information on Ingredients
Hydrated Lime:
A fine, dry white powder.
2.1 Chemical Description:
Calcium HyDrOxide Ca (OH)2 >90%. Small quantities of calcium carbonate,
magnesia and trace elements.
2.2 Hazardous Ingredients:
Calcium hyDrOxide.
3. Hazards identification
Irritating to eyes and skin. Risk of serious damage to eyes.
May cause burns in presence of moisture.
w w w. c e m e x . c o . u k
CEMEX UK Operations Ltd
CEMEX House, Evreux Way, Rugby, Warwickshire CV21 2DT
Tel: 01788 542111 Fax: 01788 540166
HYDRATED LIME
Material Safety Data Sheet
Emergency action
4. First aid measures
4.1 Eye contact:
Causes painful irritation and may cause serious damage to eyes
unless immediate treatment is given. SPEED is ESSENTIAL.
Remove particles with cotton wool bud, irrigate with eyewash
or clean water for at least 15 minutes. Obtain medical attention
as soon as possible.
4.2 Skin contact:
An irritant; may cause burns in presence of moisture. Remove
contaminated clothing. Wash immediately with plenty of water.
4.3 Ingestion:
Unlikely to cause any reactions. Larger doses may irritate
gastrointestinal tract. Do not induce vomiting, wash out mouth
with water and give copious quantities of water to drink.
4.4 Inhalation:
Irritating to the respiratory tract in high concentration. Remove
from exposure and keep warm and rest. Irrigate nose and throat
with water for at least 20 minutes.
4.5 Further Medical Attention:
Symptomatic, if necessary. No known delayed effects. Prolonged
or repeated contact with skin may result in severe irritation or
dermatitis. It is advisable to ensure that eyewash facilities are
readily available where “Hydrated Lime” may be handled.
5. Fire fighting measures
Non-combustible and inhibits the spread of flame. No special
fire fighting procedure, extinguisher media or explosion hazard
is identified.
6. Accidental release measures
6.1 Personal precautions (See 8.3.)
6.2 Cleaning up:
Contain spillage and keep dry if possible. Use vacuum suction
unit, or shovel into bags. Cover or enclose area if possible to
avoid unnecessary dust hazard. Any contamination of drains
and watercourses must be alerted to the National Rivers
Authority or other appropriate regulatory body.
6.3 Environmental measures:
Prevent from entering drains, sewers or water courses.
Precautions
7. Storage and handling
7.1 Storage:
Should be stored in a cool dry environment free from draught.
Bulk storage should be in a purpose built silo. Product in bags
should be stored in a draught-free brick or concrete building
and stacked in a safe and stable manner.
7.2 Handling:
Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Avoid inhalation of high
concentration of dust. Manual handling of the product should
be minimised through the use of mechanical aids, etc. wherever
possible. Account should be taken of the Manual Handling
Regulations and care should be taken when lifting by hand.
WET HYDRATED LIME MAY CAUSE ALKALIS BURNS if in direct contact with skin. You MUST wear the appropriate protective clothing at all times.
WARNING
8. Exposure controls/personal protection
8.1 Workplace exposure limits:
The HSE Guidance Note EH40 lists long term (8 hour TWA) Workplace
Exposure Limits (WEL’s) for Calcium HyDrOxide of
5 mg/m3 and for Calcium Carbonate of 10 mg/m3 inhalable dust
and 4 mg/m3 respirable dust.
8.2 Engineering measures:
Where reasonably practicable dust exposures should be controlled by
engineering methods.
8.3 Personal Protective Equipment:
Handling system should preferably be enclosed, or suitable ventilation
installed to maintain atmospheric dust below the WEL’s.
a. Respiratory protection:
Suitable respiratory protection (HSE approved standard) should be worn to
ensure that personal exposure is less than the WEL’s. Always ensure good
ventilation. Use dust respirators, or air-steam helmet.
b. Hand and skin protection:
Protective clothing should be worn which ensures that Hydrated Lime
does not come into contact with the skin. Should Hydrated Lime get
inside boots, gloves or other protective clothing then this protective
clothing should be immediately removed and the skin thoroughly
washed as well as the protective clothing /footwear. Rubber, leather or
fabric /composite gloves provide suitable hand protection.
c. Eye protection:
Wide vision full goggles with anti-mist for eye protection should be
worn whenever there is a risk of Hydrated Lime entering the eye.
Product information
9. Physical & chemical properties
Physical Data – Hydrated Lime
10. Stability & reactivity
Conditions contributing to chemical instability: none
Hazardous decomposition products: Decomposes with loss of
water at approximately 580°C to form calcium oxide (quicklime).
Special precautions: Minimise exposure to air to avoid degradation.
Reacts vigorously with strong acids. Attacks aluminium, lead and brass
in the presence of moisture.
11. Toxicological information
11.1 Short term effects:
a. Eye contact:
Painful irritant, with risk of severe and permanent damage to eyes.
b. Skin:
Irritant in the presence of moisture, may cause burns.
c. Ingestion:
May cause irritation of the gastrointestinal tract.
d. Inhalation:
High concentration of dust may be irritant to the respiratory tract.
11.2 Chronic effects:
Prolonged and repeated skin contact may cause dermatitis.
12. Ecological information
12.1 Aquatic toxicity rating:
Harmful to aquatic organisms in high concentration
(generally greater than 100/mg/l).
12.2 Mobility:
Sparingly soluble in water to form alkaline solution.
Low mobility in most ground conditions.
12.3 Persistence and degradation:
Non bio-degradable – reacts with atmospheric and dissolved
carbon dioxide to form calcium carbonate (chalk).
12.4 Effects of effluent treatment:
High concentrations (>100mg/l) may have a sterilising effect
in sewage works. Product is suitable for use in treatment of acid
wastes and sewage sludges.
13. Disposal considerations
Disposal should be in accordance with current local and national
legislation. Hydrated lime can normally be disposed only to licensed
waste facilities.
Additional information
14. Transport information
Not hazardous as hazardous for transport.
15. Regulatory information
15.1 Chemicals (Hazard Information and Packaging
for Supply) Regulations.
Classification: Irritant.
15.2 Risk/Safety phrases
Risk phrases
• Causes burns.
• Risk of serious damage to eyes.
• Irritating to the skin.
Safety phrases
• Avoid eye and skin contact by wearing suitable eye protection,
clothing and gloves.
• Avoid breathing dust.
• Keep out of reach of children
• On contact with eyes or skin, rinse immediately with plenty
of clean water. Seek medical advice after eye contact.
16. Legislation and other information
• Health & Safety at Work, etc. Act 1974
• Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations
(COSHH) 2002
• Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (Amendment)
Regulations 2004
• Environmental Protection Act 1990
• HSE Guidance Note EH40 (Workplace Exposure Limits)
• Any authorised manual on First Aid by St.John’s/St.Andrews/Red Cross
• Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992 (as amended)
Data Sheet prepared in accordance with the Safety Data Sheets Directive
(91/155/EEC, as amended by Directives 93/122/EC and 2001/58/EC)
Guidance references
Available from HMSO, HSE area offices, or local authority Environmental
Health Departments:
• EH40/: Workplace Exposure Limits
• A step-by-step guide to COSHH Assessment (HS[G]97)
IMPORTANT NOTES
The purpose of this dataset is to provide Health, Safety and Environmental guidance on the
safe handling, use and disposal of Hydrated Lime supplied by subsidiary or affiliate companies
of CEMEX in the United Kingdom.
The information contained in this dataset is correct at the date of, and applies only in relation
to, the supply of material referred to in the delivery docket to which this dataset is attached
and forms part.
This dataset should alert purchasers and/or users to the usual hazards in handling the
supplied material when using it within the ordinary range of uses for which such material
is normally supplied. If you have purchased or arranged the supply on behalf of a third party
who will work with the material supplied it is your duty to pass this information on to them
BEFORE such work commences.
For the avoidance of doubt the dataset DOES NOT constitute the user's own assessment
of workplace risk as may be required by other safety legislation and nothing herein shall
be construed or relied upon as relieving the purchaser, user or any intermediate supplier
or third party from any statutory or other legal duty which may apply to them or from taking
care or precautions to protect themselves or others to whom they owe a duty of care.
The dataset should not be relied upon for any other purpose including without limitation
any technical or design purpose, nor relied upon in the use or handling of any other product
whether supplied by CEMEX or not. Reliance placed on any part or all of the information
contained in this dataset which goes beyond the purpose set out above is entirely at the
user’s own risk.
Without limiting or restricting the terms and conditions upon which the material has
been supplied to the extent permitted by law, CEMEX disclaims all liability arising
directly or indirectly from the content or preparation of this dataset except that CEMEX
will accept responsibility for personal injury which is demonstrated to have been caused
by its own negligence.
For further information please contact
Customer Services on:
Tel: 01788 542111
(out of hours) 01932 568833
Fax: 01788 540166
Physical state Particulate
Form fine dry white powder
Colour white
Odour faint “earthy” odour
pH 12.4
(aqueous solution approx. 2g/litre)
Viscosity N/A
Freezing point N/A
Boiling point N/A
Melting point N/A
Flash point N/A (not flammable)
Explosive properties N/A
Vapour Pressure 0 at 20°C
Specific Gravity 2.3
Solubility 1.8g/litre at 10°C (in water)
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Friday, Feb 18, 2011 - 3:28 am:

Dr.O. what a reading !! - thank you .
I am still waiting for the" European Agent" for answers on Sweet PDZ. The lime is too dangerous for me . It is the same with we paint the stables ?! I always wear mask and rubber gloves when preparing for painting .
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