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Discussion on Gaited or..............?
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New Member:
Auron
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 9, 2006 - 9:38 pm:
After not having my own horse for over 2 years, I'm finally in a financial position to get a horse again. YAY!!
I'm at the looking around stage and found a horse I like. He's being posted for sale by a broker through a rescue that's near by.
Having never even heard of a Mexican horse, could someone take a look at the video shown in this link and tell me what they think? He doesnt seem to do a normal walk/trot but doesnt seem to hesitate or be in pain with what they ask of him either.
https://www.ac4h.com/3c.htm
I'm really only familiar with my two old horses in the past. I'm just looking for something a little more fun to ride and be a good trail horse.
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Alden
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 9, 2006 - 11:27 pm:
Hard to tell much from that video, you'd need a good vet exam. I've never heard of a 'Mexican shuffle', there are some very good gaited Spanish horses but they don't do what this horse is doing. Given the small video it looks to me like he has trouble in the right hind, three times it looks like he hops and picks up with the left hind.
If you really want gaited I'd suggest you find reputable breeders in your area and go ride as many as you can. Some like trotters like me, then other prefer walkers. If you have the bucks a Paso Fino is the ultimate.
Good day,
Alden
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New Member:
Auron
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 12:20 am:
I wasnt really worried about having a gaited horse. I just want something sound that's trail proof and fun to ride. I just wasnt sure on the Mexican part.
I'll probably end up passing for now on this guy. They have lots of other nice horses.
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Cpacer
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:48 am:
out of curiosity I did a search on Mexican horses and found the following:
https://www.conquistador.com/azteca.html
https://www.reachone.com/raindance/Mexico.html
Looks like Mexico has bred a horse called the Azteca, wonder if that's what they mean? He looks like a cutie though! Hard to tell what he's got going on since that guy's asking him so many things.
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Alden
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:18 am:
I'm hoping DrO will weight in if he sees anything of concern in the video. I'm not an expert, and it's just my opinion of course, but I'd like to know more about this horse before I looked at more from this outfit. Personally I'd be a little careful of their other horses if I had concerns of this one.
CP, I also did some Googling and found the Aztec but I didn't see that the Aztec breed was gaited. It looked like some folks in Mexico are trying to preserve what is basically the Mexican version of our Mustangs.
I went back and looked at the video again this morning, the only thing I can conclude is the video doesn't do anything for selling this horse.
Get a good independent vet to examine our prospects.
Sharon, how long have you looked for a horse? And is this your first horse?
Good day,
Alden
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Mrose
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:38 am:
Bo Derick, the famous blond from the old movie "Ten" raises Aztecas. She had one do a performance at a show I was at quite a few yrs. ago. The horse was magnificent and was a cross between a QH and something (local Mex. horse?) However, that horse at least, wasn't gaited.
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Hwood
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:39 am:
I have heard of Aztecas . . . but always thought the Criollo was the So. American mustang.
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Ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 2:07 pm:
There's a breed of horse that starts with a "M". (helpful, I know) I am not sure if it's gaited, but I think so. It was from Mexico or S. America it seems......That came to mind when I heard the description......
Sara, I thought Bo Derick had Andulusians?
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Ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 2:21 pm:
the breed is called Mangalarga Marchador. If you do a google search, there are a lot of sights to check it out. It is a gaited horse, so I am have some memory left, not senile yet!!! It's from Brazil, but has Spainish bloodlines, that's why I was thinking Mexican I guess......
It's something, even if a long shot.
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Ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 2:22 pm:
P.S, you are all getting a video clip from the link Sharon posted?? I get only pictures.
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New Member:
Auron
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 3:58 pm:
Hi all,
Wow thanks for all the posts. Just to clarify. The horse I posted about isnt from the rescue. The rescue has its own horses which it mostly buys from auction, vets out, and finds new homes for. They also list on their site horses that are offered for sale by a near by broker (that they otherwise have no affilation with) in an effort to get more of the broker's horses sold before the broker ships them off to slaughter and brings in a fresh batch.
As to their calling the gait a shuffle, that just seems to be their word for gaited. They have a Paso Fino that they say does the "Paso shuffle". I dont think its a technical term, just slang.
Alden, I've been poking around a few rescue sites for the last month or so but havent actually gone to look at any horses. What ever I do purchase wont be my first horse but I dont have a lot of horse experience outside of the Morgan and QH breeds (and even that's limited!  )
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Terrilyn
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 5:02 pm:
Hey Sharon--I see you are in PA. Have you considered adopting a Standardbred from the Standardbred Retirement Foundation (there are others, but this seems the best known)? There are many of them available in your area. I recently went through their application and adoption process and ended up acquiring a three-year-old STB, never raced. (There is a separate recent post about this called "Standardbred Adoption.") I am completely new to this breed...but understand that they were developed from crossing TBs/Morgans. They are definitely project horses, but I'm looking forward to the project.  These horses can be hard to place because of the misconceptions about what they can do after a racing career. I don't want to sound like an instant expert because I have no guarantee that my experience will work exactly according to plan (my filly will not get to my farm until next weekend), but I did a little research and decided to take the plunge. Something to consider, maybe. Take a look if you have time: www.adoptahorse.org (they are free to approved homes through March).
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Erika
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 5:07 pm:
I thought an Azteca was a cross between QH and Andalusian, no?
As for the horse in the video, I think the guy was just trying to show how responsive the horse is, and just ends up looking like a bad rider! The horse does miss a step here and there, but maybe he just stepped on a rock or something. The guy is hauling him around so much that he's probably too worried about the bit to pay attention to his feet! This video is useless...doesn't necessarily mean the horse is. I would look at him in person and get a vet check, of course. Good luck. There are lots of good horses out there, you'll find the right one.
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Shanson
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 6:28 pm:
The Azteca breed is not a gaited breed. Whatever this horse is--QH, mustang, etc--you can't tell a thing from the video about whether he's gaited or not, or sound or not, because of the way he's being ridden. Never heard of the "Mexican shuffle," but there are all kinds of informal terms used for different horse gaits. In fact, a lot of times, sellers call them gaited if they simply have a very smooth trot.
BTW, Paso Finos are wonderful horses, but can be very hot. Those that I have known required fairly experienced riders.
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Liliana5
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 9:42 pm:
Arriva, arriva, andale andale... Could that be the mexican shuffle? I am not as expert as the above, but it seems to me that the ridder is a bit too big and heavy for the horse, maybe that makes it a bit harder to tell...
mmm
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Liliana5
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Posted on Friday, Feb 10, 2006 - 10:01 pm:
Forgot to tell you if you type caballo azteca in google you should get www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Creek/3848/azteca.htm - 11k it is in Spanish but it has a translator to english it's really informative!!
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Redalert
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 - 9:44 am:
Hey Sharon
I agree with the post by the other Sharon ... you cannot tell by that video what kind of gait he has other than the canter. He does seem to spin well and canter off like a "cutting horse." The rider is heavy looking as well as heavy handed. It made me want someone to get him before that guy had a chance to ride him again. The horse seemed to have a willing attitude. I hope he is not in pain, causing his shuffle. He seemed like he might be stringhalted in his left hind, unless that is part of his "gait." I really did not see enough in the video to make a real determination!
Good luck in your new adventure of acquiring a horse after not having one for awhile! AND, good for you for not buying too quickly. You want to have a horse that will be healthy and happy for a long time, which makes me think that you could have a vet out to see the horse in the video. He seems like a good guy if his shuffle is "meant to be the way it is!" He might be a good one for you!
Nancy
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 - 10:08 am:
I agree with the above, even putting the video on full screen it is a bit fuzzy and disjointed to say much other than it is black.
DrO
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Angelvet
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 - 12:41 pm:
Hey Terri, Good luck with your standardbred aquisition. Having worked with them now for years, I have gained a new appreciation for these guys. There is a misconception that these guys can't do anything but race in harness or pull buggies, but with the variation in the breed standard these days, many of them can be trained to do anything after their racing careers are over. They have been pretty despooked after having harness, hobbles and joggers on, as well as being around tractors and starting gates. One former tracker here just won a large award for her efforts in rehabbing these horses into useful trail horses after their racing days are done. She runs a trail riding outfit, and several of the former racers have made it into her trail string as quiet dependable trail horses. The adoption organization usually can help in the transition from racehorse to riding horse, but it usually is smoother than one would think!
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New Member:
Auron
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 - 1:27 pm:
Thanks for all the advice! Unfortunetly the point has become moot. I emailed expressing an interest in him and wanting to come visit to check him and possibly some others out. The response back was that he's already found a home. The search continues!
Terri,
My father built a house for a gentleman who raises and races Standardbreds here in the Poconos. He already offered to just give me one of his that he's retiring. I'm not the adventurous sort though and would prefer to have a horse already well trained and experienced in doing trails.
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Terrilyn
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Posted on Monday, Feb 13, 2006 - 9:29 am:
Sharon--
I hear you! I chose to go with a youngster because I liked her and thought I'd take a chance (and I need to have my head examined) ...BUT my original intention was to adopt one with solid riding and trail experience. There are definitely not as many of those as the OTTs and babies, but they come through fairly often.
Whatever you end up with, best of luck...shopping for a horse is like the months leading up to Christmas. The possibilities, the anticipation...and then hopefully, the perfect horse.
Angel--thank you for the encouraging words. I haven't had any negative feedback yet...
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Erika
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 - 10:35 am:
Liliana, thanks for the Azteca link. They are beautiful horses, aren't they. Clears up all our wondering about that breed! Now on to the Manchalarga....
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Liliana5
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 - 12:37 pm:
Don’t mention it Erika, it’s great isn’t it, my darling Chechen has about two DrOps of Aztec and a lot of mongrel but I love him all the same!
All the best
Liliana
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Liliana5
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 - 12:55 pm:
Got it! I tried in Spanish and it is actually called MANGALARGA not Manchalarga, similar, one means long sleeve and the other long stain. www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/mangalarga/ you can also go google under mangalarga horse.
Keep reading, Keep reading (Dori from Nemmo) I knwo I'm nuts
Liliana
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Liliana5
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 - 12:57 pm:
Got it! I tried in Spanish and it is actually called MANGALARGA not Manchalarga similar, one means long sleeve and the other long stain. www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/mangalarga/ you can also go google under mangalarga horse
Keep reading keep reading (Dori from Nemmo) I know I’m nuts
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Erika
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Posted on Friday, Feb 17, 2006 - 8:39 am:
What's with the Spanish "stain" and horses? Doesn't "Palomino" mean "stained something or other" in Spanish? Now "long stain"! Not a name I would choose!
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Liliana5
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Posted on Friday, Feb 17, 2006 - 9:36 am:
Who knows, reading the pages some say is the cross of the Spanish horses with the Brazilian and some say that is the cross with the Argentinian, Why the sleeve (manga)? it beats me. May be the first foal was a piebold or skewbold? Oh by the way kind of don't know how to say this but palomino is related to passing wind!
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Ilona
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 19, 2006 - 7:57 pm:
I have a Brazilian Mangalarga Marchador and have been quite involved with the introduction of this breed into the US. If anyone has any questions etc please email me at equus@cyberverse.com There is a new association the "United States Mangalarga Marchador Association". There have many problems with an original importer by the name of Marsha Sielbeck-Holloway who is now facing criminal charges for organized fraud in the state of Florida. The breed is extra-ordinary and holds the world record for endurance. They are calm, huge hearted and noble.
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Ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Feb 20, 2006 - 8:08 am:
Ilona,
Perhaps you could start a new post with some back round information on the breed? They seem to be very rare in the USA and with all the HA members out there, I am sure many would be interested in what exactly is the Mangalarga Marchador??
You can also send me info at 2bri4j@dsnet.us
DR.O....where can she post general breed info is she decides to do that?
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