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Discussion on Wormer & bacteria
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New Member:
Nicol
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 9, 2006 - 12:47 am:
I have heard that worming kills the good bacteria in the hind gut. If this is this true to what degree should we be worried about this? Is there anything we can do to prevent this?
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Jojo15
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 9, 2006 - 8:17 am:
I think adding things into their foodstuff like a probios powder (acidobacillus_not sure of spelling) or other live probiotics can never hurt to get the gut moving and working. Yoghurt products really are just a live bacteria, the good kind. And that will help the gut create more of the same. So maybe you can worm them and then put on a course of probios if this worries you. a Normal gut will recreate the "good" bacteria. Its the the over stressed animal you have to worry about that worming or a dose of pennicylin etc will kill off all the good to let the bad take over.
The problem with wormers that i've learned is that if you don't worm properly (time and dosage) or if you worm too little (amount and time), than you can create more problems by the worms becoming resistant, which i don't know if they go hand in hand, worming and good bacteria, but i would worry more about worming incorrectly vs. what it might do to the "good" bacteria in the gut.
ALOT of people are starting to do fecal tests first, and then worming to that outcome. At least in the goats and pig forums i am on. I guess the same could be true for horses. So if the fecal comes back high in one type of worm you deal with it, as opposed to worming across the board. and they argue about a small worm population has its reasons and benefits and killing them all off isn't natural (not sure how much i agree with that). Not sure what the benefit of say a hook worm or flukes or strongyles is? ugh... I also keep in mind a ruminant system is much different than a horses, so this advice might only work with them. Personally i worm, zimectrin plus (right now) and i do it every 6 weeks. I have a geriatric horse. I make sure she has plenty of hay to keep her digestion going thru out the day. She gets some baby apple sauce with probios if i see a change in her manure only. so that is how i deal with it. Also, your situation is important, i wonder how much an assualt happens to the horses motility in a highly infested area or high traffic areas like a big barn vs one like mine where i only have one horse, one mini, a few goats and pig.
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Erika
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 9, 2006 - 8:47 am:
Nicol, I don't think your question is answerable as asked. There are too many different chemicals that can be considered "wormers".
They work in different ways.
For instants, if I am correct, ivermectin does not even kill the worms, but paralyses them so they fall off the host and are excreted. I don't know if something like that would kill bacteria, good or bad.
Correct me if I am wrong, experts .
Erika
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 - 9:21 am:
Nicol there should be no problems with digestive upsets if you use the deworming schedule we recommend on healthy horses and I know of no work that these products are hard on the hind gut flora. Recently you have posted lots of dubious ideas you have been hearing from folks around you, be careful where the advice comes from.
DrO
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