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Discussion on Joint Supplements
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Lccsi
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 16, 2006 - 7:09 am:
I'm revisiting the choice of joint supplement, I was using Equinyl CM but I see that there are now many of these products that have Hyralonic acid in them.. First of all does anyone know if HA given orally does anything and what would be a recommended dosage of ChonDrOiten/glucosimine.. I've seen products have between 1500 - 7000 units of the stuff.. what's the right amount.. is more better or does it just get passed out? Thanks
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 17, 2006 - 7:24 pm:
Hello Lori,
I know of no work supporting, or not supporting, the use of HA in oral supplements however I am seeing reasonably priced supplements with increased amounts of glucosamine and chonDrOitin than has been considered the norm. They may have increased benefits, for more see, Treatments and Medications for Horses » Anti-inflammatories (NSAID's, Steroids, Arthritis Rx) » The Joint Protective Treatments.
DrO
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Jgordo03
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Posted on Monday, Sep 18, 2006 - 5:11 pm:
Lori,
I give my three year old who is in training, 50mg of HA a day, glucosamine/chonDrOitin, and biotin. I read where the Japanese developed the process of making HA available orally. I know Dr O doesn't agree with me about using HA in horses... but I've use it myself for over four years. As a human 51 year old women, my knees never crack when I bend down to get something and I'm never stiff in the morning after gardening or riding since I've been taking HA. Just my two cents on the subject.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 - 7:48 am:
What don't I agree with Judith? I am just stating the facts of what is known and unknown about HA. Though your subjective feeling that it helps is of note, we also have members who believe they can cure significant disease using magic water in the form of homeopathic preparations. There is no good scientific support for that practice either. Considering the number of different subjective recommendations for equine diseases the most important job I have here is to try and separate the wheat (practice supported by science) from the chaff (peoples opinions). There may be studies in the future that find a benefit but all of the studies I have seen on gi absorption, particularly those using radiolabeled product, are flawed in the conclusions they draw.
DrO
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Lccsi
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 - 9:47 am:
Thanks. I know there are studies that have shown improvement with Glucosamin/ChonDrOitin given orally to horses and I personally take it as well and have seen an improvement.. The addition of HA is just new. I sort of understand how the GL/CH works in helping with the joint since it provides materials that are used by the joint it just is not clear to me how the HA would actually make it to the joint when taken via a supplement rather than directly injected into the bloodstream ie Legend. Since injecting into the blood would mean no or less breakdown via the digestive system and only taken out by the liver/kidneys (correct me if I'm wrong) Since it seems that with equine supplements you can advertise that a product does anything and there does not seem to be an FDA to make sure you are getting what is advertised, this forum is a great place to ask those questions. Thanks for the info..
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Jgordo03
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 - 12:31 pm:
Lori,
HA is in layman’s terms suppose to help your body regenerate/sustain the synovial fluid in the joints. Less cracking and creaking of my knee's and joints when I bend. There is very little if any pressure from the FDA to enforce truth in advertising for health supplements be it animal or human or for controlled clinical studies that support their advertising. (Since supplements can't be patented why do the work for everyone who wants to sell it.) We have to go with our instincts and try to muddle through the fact and fiction and if I want to try something, I try the human form on myself first. HA has been approved by the FDA via injection for several forms of arthritis. The studies are just not in for the oral form. I have seen a few studies mostly addressing the absorption and breakdown of the oral form through the actions of other naturally occurring enzymes and peptides in our systems. My little QH is being trained for Reining and Barrels so I opted to supplement with the supplements I mentioned above because of the riggers associated with this type of training.
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New Member:
heatherm
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 8, 2007 - 5:39 pm:
Hi, I recently investigated Cortaflex, amazed to see that this supplement contains no glucosamine and no chonDrOitin, rather precursers to the body making these 2 joint supplements themselves. I read their research which was a qualatative study done on 8 horses! Is this valid research which allows them to charge huge prices (112$ for 500g in New Zealand). As far as I can tell there is no peer reviewed random double blind studies done on precusors of glucosamine and chondtroitin on any animal, including human animals.What do you think? Cheers and greetings from NZ. Heather
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