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Rfarms

Posted on Friday, Jan 16, 2004 - 3:49 pm:

I'm wracking my brain on this one and waiting with no sleep, any help is appreciated. I have my vet doing the same here..need opinions/suggestions for treatment. I have read the Placentitus section etc but not all applies. I am concerned our mare is getting ready to abort.

Maiden Mare Bred April 5,7,9 2003 Normal pregnancy til now. She is 286 Days Today Jan 16, 2004 if conception was on April 5. All shots current, excellent care & condition of mare..lives inside...exercise...ex show mare She is only 6.

Last week some udder development and light swelling around bottom of belly. Not concerned as no leg swelling and she was happy and not depressed. Looked basically normal but with some light edema..made note of it so we increased her turnout/ walking time.

Monday Night drastic change, Edema severe in front of udder, on sides of belly from udder, vulva showing swelling edema. Mare content though not depressed. As precaution until Vet out next AM I gave 15 CC Penn IM & 12 Tabs of SMZ orally. I Noticed a little discharge on udder tips, no discharge from vulva. Udder swollen and teats look more developed than I normally see on a Maiden.

Tues AM Not much relief in swelling. Vet pulled blood for CBC, Estrogen and Fibrinogen. Then gave IV Gentomicin with Saline, Just as a precaution if an infection was present. Mare started to have an allergic reaction almost immediatly after administration of Gent & Saline. Yes, only plain Saline as vehicle, not the other stuff hypertonic saline I know can cause a reaction if given too quickly. Mare started to itch face and bite at sides and legs at once. Spots of swelling raised patches of hair popping up over body, neck and starting to breath heavy.

Vet administrated IV Bantamine right away and reaction slowly stopped, hand walked her slowly, alergic "bumps" went down and no other alergy/shocky type of incident afterwards. Advised to continue with my Penn & SMZ treatment resume tomorrow Wed AM for 5 days.

Wed AM. Mare looking better, Edema almost entirely gone in front of udder and sides. Looks good, she's comfortable but her udder development is continuing and now I see white milk dripping. Vet is called back out. Partial Blood work is back.. White Count only 5500, protiens low though.
Show udder development with milk and Vet pulls another round of Blood to retest to confirm yesterday's findings. Gave AM 15 cc Penn IM & 12 SMZ tabs orally and 15 CC Penn IM & 12 SMZ tabs orally PM. Edema gone except for udder and now vulva is looking relaxed, no swelling like it was, no discharge. Uddeer is still dripping milk occasionally. It is WHITE in color.

Thurs Jan 15.. -- AM MARE REALLY Dripping white milk, vulva looks relaxed. Called Vet White count from yesterday only 6500, protien levels a little low but nothing is standing out as severly abnormal. Mare is content and eating and drinking well. Looks normal except for her Milky udder and relaxed vulva.

Thurs Evening... I milk her a little and do a Mare Foaling Test on milk (hardwater type of test to measure calicum etc to see an estimate) According to test she is ready to foal within 24 - 48 hours...she shows positive on all sections of the test as ready. I wash mare's udder, legs, vulva, belly with Nolvasan dilution and bed her in hay. Check on her throughout the night. She is restless, then relaxes, passing manure about every 2 hours. She is not stressed, no sweat but she is now literally SQUIRTING milk out of her udder while standing still. Make it through the evening no foal.

Friday Jan 16... AM Give 15 CC IM Penn & 12 SMZ tabs orally . Call Vet... with her condition nothing abnormal showing on any cross reference blood tests. Hormone levels 4 progest and I think 1.6 for estro... not sure on the est level..sorry. Vet Puzzled.

I suggested possible Placentitus he doesn't think so due to the rapid improvement of edema. But he has not done a transrectal ultrasound (I have seen some movement of fetus) nor a measurement of her cervix with a spectulum. He's a little cautious of doing either due to her "large" state. She has no external vulva discharge but is still producing white thicker milk. Its now slightly sticky, not as sticky as it will get prior to a mare foaling , but its getting there. Teats definitely filled and full. Easy to milk udder. Mare is comfortable eating and drinking...but I'm exhusted!

Question... WHAT is going on?? Vet doesn't think we should give Regumate just in case she is trying to foal, (complications for retention of placential etc???) but we will continue to give the mare the 15 cc PENN IM & 12 SMZ tabs orally 2 times a day for the next couple of days.

She has NEVER run a temp... never depressed...only sore on the belly edema area when she was SOOO swollen.

If a mare has Placentitus does she have an elevated White blood count?? I couldn't find that in the articles.

She looks like she is ready to foal but she is only at 286 DAYS! What should we do??

Should we give Bantamine..How much IM?
Should we give Regumate ... How much orally?
Should we continue with the SMZ & PENN???


What are your thoughts??? She feels like a ticking time bomb in my barn... This is a VERY valuable baby, mare as well. I've never experienced this before with any of my mares, maiden or not.

HELP!!! Please let me know ASAP.
Lori
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Mrose

Posted on Friday, Jan 16, 2004 - 5:45 pm:

I'll let Dr. O advise you on the Regumate question, but I would think you should have colostrum set aside for the foal when it comes incase the mare is leaking it now, esp. if her milk turn more yellow-sticky.

btw-assuming the foal itself is o.k., it's not that difficult (technically) to save a premmie-but can be very labor intensive. You must really keep your eye on it. Have either a heated stall or very warm foal blanket handy. We raised an orphaned preemie, born 2 mos. early, with no problems. He had to be bottle fed every 1/2 hr at first (Foal lac milk replacer) and I slept with him on my office floor for the first week, then put him in a heated stall. He grew up into a very good looking boy.

Good luck!
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Rfarms

Posted on Friday, Jan 16, 2004 - 6:12 pm:

Thanks.. I look forward to hearing from DR O as to what he thinks this is.

We have a colostrum bank close by and yes, labor intensive, but worth it.

I'm telling my mare to cross her legs in the meantime!

Lori
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DrO

Posted on Saturday, Jan 17, 2004 - 3:59 pm:

I think it sounds like you are at a risk for an abortion, however we do not know why. A complete exam needs to be done including an ultrasound to judge the condition of the placenta and foal. Whatever conditions diagnosed need to be addressed. If an infection is found that is not responding you need better coverage on the gram negative spectrum, perhaps Naxcel (ceftiofur), considering the gentamycin reaction, see Equine Medications and Nutriceuticals » Antibiotics and Antimicrobials » Cephalosporins and Naxcel (Ceftiofur).

Considering the signs you are seeing so far I think treatment for a stressed pregnancy is logical as outlined in the article on placentitis see Equine Diseases » Reproductive Diseases » Problems Keeping Mares Pregnant » Placentitis. Label dosages for the Banamine (flunixin) wuld be appropriate and if not in the article will be in Equine Medications and Nutriceuticals » Anti-inflammatories: NSAID's, Steroids, and Arthritis Treatment » Flunixin (Banamine).
DrO
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Rfarms

Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2004 - 1:09 am:

Thank You Dr O.

The mare seems to be improving and responding to the Penn & SMZ treatment. She stopped streaming/dripping milk yesterday (Fri) Evening.
Still producing milk not dripping like it was, still occassionally coming to the end of the teats. Considerably less especially after we exercise her hand walking her. Her Vulva started to tighten up externally. Penn & SMZ still done AM & PM

Today (Sat) by the evening her udders did fill and drip a little, not like previously. Still can express her milk. Milk still deep white, not as sticky, but when I did the Predict a foal test on her milk the calcium level was lower than it was on Thursday. One of her teats is still more swollen than the other, but not like previously.

Her Vulva externally is tightening and not flacid looking like it was earlier. Also the frequent passing of manure has ceased and she seems more normal in the passing of the manure.

From her signs she appears like she is doing better. Less like a mare readying herself to foal. Penn & SMZ AM & PM today too.

Here are my questions I hope you can answer:

Why does she show a low normal White Blood Count?
Shouldn't she show an elevated WBC if she had an infection or Placentitis?

Why the low Protein level?

Why did she react the way she did to the Gentamycin? Could it have to do with the fact that I gave her Penn & SMZ within 12 hours of admininstrating the Gentamycin or is it a reaction/defense to an infection??

By her reduction in milk production, reduction in udder size and no other edema on her body along with her reduction of Vulva size I assume this would indicate she is responding to the Penn SMZ treatment? Do you agree? Is there a test we can run to assess her response?

When you say a complete exam needs to be done...what do you consider included in a complete exam? Basically, if she was your mare what tests would you run on her and what factors are the "red flags" you would watch for?

When you say an ultrasound you are referring to a transrectal, I assume, correct? What would you be looking for in the ultrasound? How much of a risk is it to the mare to perform this on her at this stage?

Are you in agreement that we should not use Regumate at this stage?

Thank you for all of your help in answering my questions.

Lori
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Sunday, Jan 18, 2004 - 10:53 am:

I cannot answer specific questions about your horse because I cannot examine the horse but I can answer questions about specific diseases. Note: the answer to most your questions are in the article I reference above, you should review it more carefully. For those questions it does not answer:

The direction of an exam is directed by what you find so it is difficult to describe a complete exam but if I were looking at a mare that is showing signs of late term abortion certainly a physical exam, transrectal ultrasound, and a speculum exam of the vaginia and cervix would be a starting place. A CBD and standard checmistry would also be done.

Placentitis does not usually effect the WBC count or cause fever because it is a local, somewhat sequestered infection that as it worsens drains out the cervix. The description of the reaction sounds like an allergic reaction, and I don't think it has to do with the proximity of the injections. This is unusual with gentamycin.
DrO
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Rfarms

Posted on Wednesday, Jan 28, 2004 - 10:31 pm:

Well, this is the conclusion to the story..we ended up having two Ultrasounds .. transabdominal for fetal viability..showed healthy and active.... we started the mare on 3 cc Bantamine orally 2 x a day and Pentoxaphyline (sp) for more oxygen to the fetus.

The placenta showed some seperation but not bad it looked as if the treatment of SMZ and the above was working...we counted day by day.

Today was 286 days ....

We lost the battle this morning ... she delivered Twin fillies... a TOTAL surprise we had not seen this at all ( we had ultrasounded her even at the beginning...had twins at one point then they were gone...guess she just moved out of view) . We were there for her when her water broke til the end...the vet coming soon after...We were prepared for it anytime...but its hard... one baby had just passed prior to birth and the other died in our arms. It appears that the larger one's umbilicle cord wrapped around her and she probably passed last last night...we just had another healty fetal exam on Monday evening...

Both big girls.. with the MOST extreme faces and long necks and legs...Bay with only a pretty star on their foreheads. They were only a little smaller than full term babies...not by much. They looked fully developed with the most exotic of heads given by their mom and beautiful bodies by their sire.

The smaller of the two died in my arms shortly after birth ... we were giving her CPR and she tried, she tried. She and her sister were fully formed, just their little lungs weren't developed enough yet to breathe on their own...

A sad morning, now we watch the mare. She is doing well especially for a Maiden, but she still needs to pass the placenta... we're working on that now.

We are currently doing 2 CC Oxytocin every hour... and 10 cc Dex/Penn am & pm & 15 tabs SMZ AM & PM & Bantamine 10 cc am & pm ... & 2 cc Bute Am & PM ... more placenta has started to release..... but she still hasn't released it completely... I'm checking on her constantly from the office via monitor...tomorrow AM vet will be back out to start the saline antibiotic flush...I think we may be close to passing the placenta...about 1/2 way...she at least layed down for about 1/2 hour and that's helped. She just wasn't ready to deliver... that's the problem we're dealing with


Send the prayers....

It was like we glimpsed the future... for one brief moment our Angels let us know...but God always calls his Angels home too soon.

Sadly,
Lori
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Rfarms

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 12:04 am:

Dear Dr O

Update... At least the 2nd placenta has passed. Thank God. It was finally expelled approx 9 hours after foaling. The first placenta passed with the first twin. Vet will be out tomorrow AM for Uterine Infusion. I'll keep monitoring her for temp change etc. I had a CBC panel pulled right after she foaled and she had high levels of Calicum and low levels of K. Don't know much about this...but at least its a base line to go with tomorrow and the following days to monitor for possible infection resulting from placenta retention.

Any thoughts as to how to proceed are appreciated.

Lori
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 6:37 am:

I am sorry to hear this Lori. As long as the mare is bright and eating well the electolytes problems will correct themselves. Be sure to save the placentas to be examined and other than what shows up on a good exam you should not expect problems.
DrO
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Mrose

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 10:13 am:

Oh, Lori-I'm so sorry. I've been away for a while and the last post I read the mare seemed to be doing better.

It sounds like the mare is Arabian? (head discription of foals) We had a beautiful *Talal daughter bred to a *Morafic son. This mare was so exquisite. We were very excited about the foal. All went well until about the first part of her 8th month. I went out to feed and saw what at first I thought was a pile of manure. At second look, it was a foal still in the bag. Dead. The mare had shown no signs of foaling. No bag, nothing & she'd had all her shots, etc. It was a perfect bay with the most beautiful head. We were heart broken. We had a necropsy done, blood work on mare, the placenta biopsied, etc. but nothing showed up. It is so heart breaking!! (the mare's following foals were all o.k.)...so, I have an inkling of what you are going through. You just have to pick up the pieces, as they say, and go on. These things happen inspite of the best that we do. At least you know the cause and can be even more watchful next time...and most probably she won't have twins again, anyway. At least the mare sounds like she is healthy and will be o.k.

But, when you are holding a perfect but dead foal in your arms, you have tried so hard to keep it alive, have looked forward to and put so much effort into the foal, and are so exhausted from the care you've been giving the mare, ... you can't help be feel devistated. Don't "second guess" or blame yourself. You did what you could. Get some rest, then look forward to the future. (I assume you have a LFG and can rebreed the mare?) Good luck, and ...get some sleep now.



Member:
Warwick

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 10:29 am:

Lori, I am so sorry to hear this very sad news. As a fellow breeder I've been following this thread closely and was really hoping that things had turned around for you. You have my deepest condolences.

This breeding business can be such a roller-coaster of highs and lows. I'm sure next time will turn out far differently and you'll be back on a high.

Please take Sara's advice and get some rest.
Member:
Rfarms

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 12:57 pm:

Dear Dr. O, Sara and Sue,

Thank you for your condolences. It is tragic and heartbreaking...especially when you are with the mare daily multiple times...you feel what she feels...and if anyone ever says that horses are not capabable of emotion I'll swat them square between the eyes...they are...spend a night with a mare as she readies herself for foaling and experience it with her...anyone will change their mind.

The mare is doing very well this morning..Vet has been out and we have already done the flush and the uterous is already toneing up nicely. Pulled blood for CBC and will do so for the next 2 days to monitor her levels. That's why I asked for the CBC yesterday right after the abortion.. to get a baseline. I've learned one thing with animals..the blood work doesn't lie...when in doubt get the blood done..it answers many questions.

Her temp is normal. She got her meds, Bantamine, SMZ, Azamyacin (penn dex mix) & 1 cc IM Oxytocin after the flush to help expell the excess fluid. I'll give her 2 grams of paste bute in an hour and then tonight and for the next 4 days she gets the same except the Bantamine will be oral 3 cc 2 x a day to help ward off any possible septic problems. Vet will be out tomorrow and the next to do 2 more flushes .. just in case.

Now we just watch and support "Fancy" she is in very good spirits considering everything and is only slightly upset about the shots ...which the poor girl has received so many of in the last 3 weeks.

Yes, Sara, our mare is an Arabian. She is PR Forever Yours (PaDrOn Psyche x PR Forever Krystl by *Naturel) she is tall, bay and a beauty with a sane & elegant personality. We bred her to our Pure Polish Stallion, Emage Of (*Aladdinn x *Era by Carycyn out of Eskapada ) . Successful crosses in the past have been PaDrOn Psyche or Magnum Psyche bred to *Aladdinn daughters...I wanted to do the switch...put the strenght of Emage's Pure Polish blood with his Park Horse dam on the bottom of the pedigree and allow the pretty and stretch of her blood with the strenght of *Naturel on the bottom. I was right, the cross is exotic! Beautiful heads with body, longs legs and neck...now we will have to wait a little longer, hope with sadness. But at least the mare is doing well and that's what matters. It is thought that one twin twisted the umbilical cord around the larger and that is really the only reason for the abortion at this point, from the necropsy resuts and from the placenta results so far...

Thank you all for reading, I wish it could have been a better outcome, but hopefully some readers have gained something from this post and can use it to help their own situations as they come to pass.

Lori Ricigliano
Ricigliano Farms
Member:
Mrose

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 2:08 pm:

Lori-that is an exciting cross! Looking on the bright side (difficult, I know) you are going to have a knockout foal next time around-that much you know. Your judgement/expertise in the mating sounds like it was right on! Would love to see a picture of your mare & stallion. Do you have a website? We breed Egyptians, but I strongly feel a beautiful horse is a beautiful horse!
Member:
Warwick

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 2:11 pm:

Lori, thank you for updating us at a time when I know you have far more urgent matters to deal with than writing to us.

The cross you came up with sounds lovely and definitely worth pursuing again and I'm sure you'll have great results next time. Breeding is a challenge to all of us dedicated to improving our chosen breeds. It's rarely by mistake that these wonderful horses become a reality. I know I sweat bullets if I choose to deviate from a "proven" system - but what a thrill when you know that your research and belief is sound! And it appears that you have done that with this cross.

I'm so glad that Fancy is doing well and I completely agree with you about horses and emotions - too many years with them confirms that. They really are the most amazing creatures and a joy to be with every day. Many years ago I had a great old reproductive vet tell me that horses are "the most patient creatures on earth". I feel sorry for those who never get the chance to share the experiences and sights with them that we do.

Sue
Hill Haven Farm
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Mrose

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 2:19 pm:

Lori-just found your website. And..duh.....I know who you are (at least who your farm is.) I just didn't put two and two together! You've got georgous animals-have seen some of them at shows.
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Albionsh

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 4:43 pm:

Lori, so sorry to hear of your loss. We have a surviving twin here, a tiny four-month-old filly who made it when her big very beautiful brother did not. We bought the mare already bred, and though we did the ultrasound as soon as we got her home, the twins were not detected. Doctor, are very small foals destined to be small horses, or is it possible for their genetic heritage to reassert itself later on?

Are there things that can be done when twins are discovered later in pregnancy to protect the life of the mom and also of the foals?

Nancy
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 6:13 pm:

No Nancy as long as they were never deprived they usually achieve their genetic potential by the end of the first year. The risk to the mare of carrying the twins to term cause some to suggest if they are discovered they should be aborted. We really don't know and the age of US has all but eliminated this is well managed mares.
DrO
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Albionsh

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 6:31 pm:

The management standard I know is to have the bred mare ultrasounded at the 14th day after conception, at which time they would eliminate one of the embryos if twins are found. If my vet misses the second foal and the pregnancy proceeds, they should both be aborted whenever discovered? At any stage of development? Does this affect the future reproductive life of the mare?
Member:
Kthorse

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 7:45 pm:

Sorry to hear of your loss. Its devistating. I grew up on my mums arabian stud in Australia and we lost many babys. Its never easy.Its a roller coaster of highs and lows. My mum lost a valuble mare and a premie this year, last year she saved a premie. You just keep going. God bless, and thank god your mare is ok. Wishing you all the best
Katrina
Member:
Mrose

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 9:38 pm:

I have a mare that is a twin (her twin survived also) She's a great mare and to our knowledge has never conceived twins. That is to say,they've never shown up in an US and she's never had any.

I know of other twins that survived fine,as did their dams, tho' one is usually smaller than the other at first.
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Rfarms

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 10:15 pm:

Dear Sarah, Sue, Nancy and Katrina,

Thank you for your kindness and words of encouragement. I received a very kind email today that told me to wear the saddness as a "Badge Of Honor" so to speak because it is when we stop caring and feeling that we should do this no more. This is so true, we need to feel to care, to be stewards of these beauties while we can.

I was talking to my husband early this morning and told him how I wished God would have given me a Miracle with this foaling. He looked at me for a moment without speaking and then said "Lori He did, Fancy is still with us and is fine, that's your miracle." I stopped mid-breath as tears filled my eyes, he was correct.

Attatched is a picture of Fancy (PR Forever Yours). In my next post is a pic of my stallion Emage Of. Thank you for asking...yes, they mean a lot to me.

Thank you..
Lori Ricigliano

PR Forever Yours
Member:
Rfarms

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 10:29 pm:

As promised... Here is a picture of my stallion, the sire of the fillies I lost...This is

Emage Of (*Aladdinn x *Era)

The fillies were beautiful... next year will be better.

We will be breeding Fancy this year as soon as it is safe to do so, after all Vet checks etc.. We will also be breeding our new mare... Magna Psyche (PaDrOns Psyche x A Fancy Miracle) to Emage as well...for those of you who do Arabian pedigrees... yes, Magna Psyche is a full sister to Multi-National Champion stallion Magnum Psyche. We hope for the best this year.

Thank you everyone for your support during this very tough time. It has helped us so much just to share our feelings with others who have gone thru the same thing.

Lori Ricigliano
Ricigliano Farms

Emage Of
Member:
Eoeo

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 10:35 pm:

So sorry Lori about your twins. We had a maiden Appaloosa mare,20 years ago named CCS Jet Charged. She had been a fantastic race mare and bred her for racing. Her first pregnancy ended in twins aborting at about 8 1/2 months. US weren't used that much in those days in this part of the country. She didn't breed back that year but the following year she carried the first of several foals to term, never twinning again. She was an excellent mother. Hope your mare does the same for you. EO
Member:
Rfarms

Posted on Thursday, Jan 29, 2004 - 11:39 pm:

Thank you EO for your sympathy. It is amazing how many of us have had to experience this very unfortunate experience. I read once " Birth and Death are closely linked. During birth we can see the future but can also glimpse death's door, we just pray that it does not open." Horses and life itself, it really humbles you.

Thank you..

Lori Ricigliano
Member:
Mrose

Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2004 - 2:09 am:

Amen! And, don't we learn a lot about life and ourselves from our horses? (infact, my first thought after reading your last post was "horses ARE life itself!") They are so vital, powerful, strong, yet so fragile; they teach us, humble us, challange us, bring us joy, bring us pain...for every metaphor, every facit of life, there is a equine parallel.

Lori, both Fancy and Emage Of are beautiful!! They complement each other so well from what I can see. She IS elegent and feminine, (great neck and shoulder!) yet has a rather determined look about her. I think I'd like her a lot. Emage has a wonderful look about him. Great eyes. He looks like a lot of horse mentally as well as physically. I met his sire once and really liked him; he had a lot of presence. He knew who he was. I bet Emage does, too. A wonderful idea to "flip" your cross. Now I'll be waiting to hear about Fancy's foal next year!

I'm sorry you've had to go through this, but am glad you've shared with us. We hear so much negative at times about people in this industry, it's reasuring to know about the ones who really care.

btw-your husband sounds like a dear-and a very perceptive man.
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2004 - 11:28 am:

Beautiful picture Lori. Nancy the article Equine Reproduction » Breeding and Foaling » Twinning and Management of Twin Embryos now has a complete discussion on your question.
DrO
Member:
Kthorse

Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2004 - 12:48 pm:

Absolutly beautiful. Loved them both. I dont know much about their bloodlines as we breed Crabbet Arabians the silver line. I must say I love them both. Cant wait to see the outcome of this cross next year.
Hugs for your loss Katrina
Member:
Deggert

Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2004 - 2:55 pm:

Lori
I get all my posts at work and I had been following yours. I am so sorry about the twins but your mare is fine. Its is so emotional and I have been teary reading everyone's responses. I have a mare at home at 7 months right now. She's 16yrs and this is only her second foal. Last year she lost her foal at 60 days. I did not know she was in foal this year as the vet who checked her at 18 and 25 days did not see a pregnancy. It was late August by then. Thought I would try again this year, but way back in my mind I kept hoping she was. Treated her like she was just in case. By Halloween, in fact on Halloween, I had the vet from another practice ( I use them for anything more specialized)out for a check up on a couple other horses and asked her if she would check her. Couldn't feel a uterus so we ultrasounded and Voila! A Baby. She could not see a twin but it could be possible at that late stage to miss it. I think we are ok but you never know about this mare, but we did not use any drugs to ovulate her. She is a LE Fire daughter and in foal for the second time to Alada BAskin I. We have a very nice 3 yr old colt and I am hoping for a filly. I love the Aladdin look and Emage OF is beautiful. Will he be at Scottsdale? I would love to see him.
Best of luck
Member:
Mrose

Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2004 - 3:35 pm:

Off the topic here, but since you brought it up Debbie, who of you will be at Scottsdale this year?
Member:
Rfarms

Posted on Friday, Jan 30, 2004 - 5:15 pm:

Dear Debbie, Sara, Katrina, Dr O and Friends,

Thank you for your compliments and thank you again for your condolences. I don't know how else to express my gratitude. This is a chat board to help heal horses...but it is actually working to help heal my heart and for that I am thankful. This is so hard.

Debbie, keep a watch on your mare for even the littlest of changes and keep a good thought. I wish you the best with her, her health and her foal. A Le Fire daughter herself is Rare and the cross to Alada Baskin I should be incredible.

Yes, Emage will be in Scottsdale, he is actually there right now enjoying the Sun. He is at Midwest's facility there and is being presented there now thru the Scottsdale show at the facility. Everyone is invited to go and visit him at Midwest's facility off of Cactus Road in Scottsdale. They have daily free showings of Stallions and young show horses throughout the show in Feb. It really is fun to see these horses up close. I will be there soon to be with Emage during the show. We also have the NSH stallion Sting Ray~ who is also there at Midwest and we are showing our 2 yearling colts too. These colts are also miracles, both surviving bad bouts of Rhodococcus as weanlings. Now, they are healthy and ready to show.

Thank you everyone, I really appreciate your posts. If any of you go to Scottsdale please look us up at Midwest or in the Main Exhibition Tent...My husband and I are the representitives for the National Show Horse Registry and have a booth there.

Thank you,
Lori Ricigliano
Ricigliano Farms
Member:
Deggert

Posted on Monday, Feb 2, 2004 - 12:01 pm:

Sara
I am trying to go over there for the last few days of Scottsdale, still trying to adjust my sechedule. I live in San Diego so I drive over.
Debbie
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