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Member:
Isabe

Posted on Wednesday, Jun 2, 2004 - 7:55 am:

Dear Mr. O,

My 11th years old mare has been breeded last week with frozen semen from Olimpic Ferro. According to the vet she had a very bad post-breeding reaction to the semen (the vet said to the eggs proteins used in frozen semen), so bad that by utherin lavage she discharged also blood. She was breeded at 24.00 and she shew signs of disconfort in the morning. She was treated also with anthibiotic and the mare recovered immediately. I told this to my vet, and she said that she has never experienced or even heard of such a reaction, unless the semen has not been warmed before insemination. Well, I cannot think that a vet, specialised in breeding, can do such a mistake and I'm wondering which could be the consequences for my mare. I must say now she is very well and we will have the pregnancy test in some days. I'm a bit confused, because I do not know what to do in case she is not pregnant: Repeat the insemination with frozen semen and monitor her strictly after insemination or change to fresh semen? The problem is that Ferro is not available with fresh semen (by the way his semen is very good, also the frozen one), so I will have to choose another stallion. Is my mare running any risk, reactint in this way to frozen semen?
Sorry for all this question but I really do not know what to do.

Thank you for your help.

Regards

Isabella
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2004 - 6:17 am:

A post breeding inflammatory reaction is normal but there are reports of severe post breeding reactions in some mares bred to some stallions. I think if she does not settle this time I would consider a different stallion.
DrO
Member:
Isabe

Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2004 - 6:57 am:

Dear Mr. O,
Thank you for your reply. What I know about this stallion is that his semen is really top quality. Do you suggest changing against fresh semen or simply changing the stallion (no matter if is still frozen semen)?. Can the reaction my mare had be related with some other pathology?
Is there anything we can do to limit her reaction to semen?

Thank you again. Your answer are always very usefull.

Regards

Isabella
Member:
Nathalie

Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2004 - 1:36 pm:

Maybe you want to contact the stud farm in Holland to ask them if they've had sililar experiences? This is their site https://www.gebrvanmanen.com/cgi-bin/English/Default.htm and this is their e-mail address gebr.van.manen@12move.nl Hope all works out! Can I suggest another much younger but very promising KWPN stallion to you in case you decide to breed with another one? Rubiquil https://www.stalhexagon.nl/english/fokkerij.html I know they were going to ship his semen this year to the US as well. Good luck with your mare!!

Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2004 - 9:27 am:

I would consider simply switching stallions first. It may have been the sperm or it may have been the technique by which it was prepared. If she continues not to settle, switch to cooled. We have an in-depth discussion of post breeding inflammation and its treatment at, Equine Diseases » Reproductive Diseases » Trouble Settling Mares & Stallion Infertility » Uterine Infection and Inflammation. Note the part of the article that explains that you do not want to stop this reaction just control it.
DrO
Member:
Contilli

Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2004 - 1:05 pm:

We use Oxytocin 6 hours post breeding with frozen (Hilltop Bugatti and Rousseau). You can safely use this up to three days post breeding. It helps mares, which “react” to semen. Bugatti’s semen was almost orange with egg yolk and my one mare is usually very sensitive to semen. She had no adverse reactions to it. Maybe your mare was poked with a pipette while inseminating? Even the best can “oops” sometimes. I would not change stallions, as your worries are a very rare occurrence.

Let me know how it works out for you. I pondered using Ferro last year and chose Rousseau (because of ISR) instead.

Denise
www.BryantFarm.com
Member:
Isabe

Posted on Monday, Jun 7, 2004 - 4:39 am:

Dear Denise,

Thank you very much for your e-mail. We had the test done yesterday and unfortunately it was negative. I will do another try with frozen semen, trying to keep the reaction under control. If it should not go again I will switch to fresh semen. Thanks to the e.mail of Nathalie I got in touch with the studfarm in Holland and there is the possibility to have fresh semen directly from them. I had a look to your website. You have some of the most beatifull fillies and colts I ever seen. I hope Hairi's baby will be as nice as well. If you have a look at my profile you will find a photo of Hairi. She is out of General I (out of Graphit) x Mishou (out of Maitanz TB), so she is 75% Hannoverian and 25% TB. Neck, shoulder and head are the one of Graphit's sons and she has coat and thin legs as a TB.
I will keep you posted. May I have your direct e-mail address? Mine is iforcella@hotmail.com.

Thank you again and best regards

Isabella
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