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Discussion on Where to buy "lily pads" online?
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erika
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 1:43 pm:
Drat, Sugar, my best mare foundered again recently. We are working hard to try to keep her comfortable.
Vet wants me to buy "lily pads" to tape to her feet. I seem to recall a lot of discussion about them here before but my search didn't find a source for them.
Anyone know a site online where I can purchase them?
Also, are they reusable, or do I need to buy several pairs?
Thanks all.
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 2:13 pm:
Hi erika, I have never used the lily pads, but the 1 1/2 in "construction" grade styrofoam works very well, you can buy it at almost any home improvement store and a sheet goes a long way!
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 3:06 pm:
Try: Equine Digit Support System, Inc. I don't know if they are online, but their phone # is:
Equine Support Systems, Inc.
506 Hwy 115
Penrose, CO 81240
Tel: 719-372-7463
Fax: 719-372-7272
Their name was given to me by the clinic that treated Libby. They make a styrofoam support pad that is denser and lasts longer than the regular styrofoam pads made from packing styrofoam, which was used on Libby, and they make a lot of other pads and shoes. They also have something called "EDSS First Alert Kit" for acute Laminitis treatment.
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 3:22 pm:
Hi sara I just want to reiterate it is not packing styrofoam it is construction grade styrofoam...pretty much the same thing as the edss styrofoam except you have to cut it yourself, and it is much cheaper. Here is the website Sara is talking about. What caused her to founder Erika?
https://www.hopeforsoundness.com/techsupport/instguides/styrofoamguide.htm
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 4:12 pm:
I knew I would get quick help here! Thanks, Diane and Sarah. You both seem to cite the same company so I will give them a call. I didn't see anything that looked like what my vet drew for me (Lily Pads) on the website, so perhaps they have a similar product and can direct me.
Sugar foundered because of my inattention, I'm afraid, and I feel terrible about it. She had problems years ago in the fall with laminitis, and I have been vigilant ever since. But my husband has been ill most of the summer, and two weeks ago my teenage son broke his leg very badly and has a cast from hip to toe for three months.
I warned my farm helper that we are getting to that time of year when I usually pull Sugar off the grass to be safe, but I didn't make it clear in my myopic, family-focused state as to when that should be. So, too late! But we caught it early. Minimal rotation in all but one foot, even that isn't as bad as years ago. So prognosis is good, but we are trying to get this nice mare comfy.
Thanks for your help!
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 5:47 pm:
Erika if it is lily pads you are looking for here is a link to Big Debs website, they are good to deal with and ship fast! I have used the website quite often.
https://www.bigdweb.com/LILY_PADS_P5805.cfm
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 - 11:22 pm:
Just for fun (am taking my lunch break) I looked on line.
www.horseshoes.com/supplies/alphabet/edss/homepage.htm
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erika
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 - 5:49 pm:
You are fantastic! Thank you. I ordered the lily pads from Big D. Did it by phone though, because for some reason a warning popped up that they had an insecure site. Not recommended to input personal info.
Next we have to do a "challenge" to determine Cushings. Blood drawn, then drug administered, more blood drawn 24 hours later.
Has anyone done this? Will it tend to make the laminitis worse? I'm a little hesitant because my vet is still sticking to some old-fashioned ideas about laminitis (still prescribes isoxuprine and thyrol, which I read here are both ineffective or questionable at best). I don't want to do anything to further compromise my mare!
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shirl
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 - 7:16 pm:
Hi Erika,
Your vet is talking the Dex Test. Most vets feels it's the "gold standard" test for Cushings, and Dr. O. will chime in here. Many owners with Laminitis prone horses prefer the ACTH test, but it takes extra care to get it to the lab. The horse I had previously had the Dex test a couple times with no disasters. If I had to do it on my present horse, I'd go with the ACTH. Follow Dr. O's recommendations.
Best to you,
Shirl
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 - 7:54 pm:
Erika is it possible she is IR? They too tend to founder on fall grass. Is she an easy keeper? Maybe an insulin and glucose test might help determine between the 2...not sure? Does she have other signs of cushings...slow shedding etc.? My cushings gelding...determined by symptoms is also IR, and very prone to fall laminitis. He is now able to graze since loosing weight with Hank and going on a very low carb diet. Good luck with your horse
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erika
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 - 8:59 pm:
Thanks Shirl, I couldn't remember what it is called. Glad to hear that it doesn't worsen the founder.
Yes, Diane, she is IR, she did have her insulin checked and it was quite high out of the normal range. She has always gotten her winter coat early, even when younger (she's 18 now). Easy keeper, but she is not currently overweight. She is 15.2 or 15.3 depending on how you hold the stick and vet taped her at 875 lbs. She does however have a hard patch on the crest of her neck and a pretty round croup.
She is now off grass completely, with just grass hay and a mere handful of damp Safe Choice to get the supplements and meds in.
I question because my vet's associate was the one who treated Sugar last time. She was very aggressive. Had me give Acepromazine as soon as the pain was apparent, and gave I.V. DMSO along with Banamine and long-term Bute.
This vet didn't want me to give Sugar anything until she arrived. Then she gave ace, banamine for five days. Now she wants her on Bute and Isoxuprine--no DMSO.
She said they have differing opinions on how this should be treated. I understand that, but it seems to me there should be a "gold standard" of treatment in accordance with the latest research.
I never know how hard to push my opinions--and we don't know which vets are more current in their research results.
Hopefully, this will continue to be a mild case comparatively, and the care will pull Sugar through regardless of which vet's protocol is implemented.
Thanks for all your thoughts and advice.
Erika
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 - 9:02 pm:
Ooops, forgot to add that this vet has Sugar on Thyrol one scoop/day, too. Other vet said Thyrol was pretty useless!
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Member:
hwood
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007 - 11:53 pm:
Ahem . . . ahh . . . maybe if you changed her name?
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 - 9:24 am:
Ha ha! Holly, don't blame me! She came with the name. I wanted to change it but the kids overruled me. I was 49 years old before I ever got to name anyone!
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