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Discussion on Seedy toe: how wide should excision be?
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frances
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 - 9:43 am:
Hi DrO.
When I once mentioned that my then farrier had excised a triangular hole with the widest part at the bottom in one of my horse's hooves due to what he said was seedy toe (although as far as I know she has never foundered), you said that he didn't understand the abducting forces involved.
As I don't understand them either (lol), could you tell me whether you mean that he should have removed a square, or rectangular area of hoof wall rather than a triangle?
I ask because, several years down the road and with another farrier, we seem to have the same situation.
Many thanks.
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 - 1:59 pm:
LL with my experience with seedy toe the farrier or vet had to dig it all out and then I treated it as thrush. Dr.O.'s article says it is focal areas of thrush. That worked for me quite well. Or does your mare have WLD? I think the treatment is different for that. Good Luck
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terrilyn
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 - 3:07 pm:
I know this doesn't answer the question, but my farrier recommended a product called Banixx for seedy toe. It has other applications as well. You can read about it here:
https://www.banixx.com/
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 - 5:39 pm:
LL the farrier just left here and Hanks seedy toe is completely gone....I put iodine on his a couple times a week. What I think Dr.O. meant by abducting forces is a long toe...causing a stretched whiteline..,,which in turn gives the seedy toe a place to grow. Just a guess .
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 - 8:47 am:
Hello LL,
The subtopic on "Seedy Toe" in the article associated with this discussion explains the forces acting on the toe pretty well. To deal with your specific question you should aim at removing as much of the undermined wall at the toe as needed to open all the thrush infections (seedy areas) and return the toe to a normal shape.
DrO
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frances
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 - 12:11 pm:
Thanks Diane and Terri. Yes, I put Betadine on it and it grows out, but seems to recur for some reason. The Banixx sounds potent - and non-staining would be a nice change; my hands/fingernails are usually stained blue or purple with some horse potion or other.
Thanks DrO. I had just got the impression from an answer you gave me in the past that you considered the triangular shape itself to bring the abducting forces into play in an unhelpful manner but I must have misunderstood and, as Diane says, it's the long toe. Which makes sense.
Thanks again!
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 - 7:04 am:
I don't remember the post that well LL: when you say a triangular shape can you better define what was done, I can then address it directly. If you mean a triangular defect was pared into the wall of the hoof to remove the defective/infected material, the point would have been that this does not address the abducting forces of a flared toe that is usually present during and promotes further worsening of the seedy toe. I have pared out many wall abscesses by grooving the wall in a roughly triangular shaped defect.
DrO
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frances
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Posted on Friday, Nov 30, 2007 - 8:22 am:
DrO, it was in my old thread "Elusive Lameness", Dec 14th & 15th '04 (a really long time ago).
When you say "grooving" the wall, do you mean cutting a horizontal groove above the pared-out area?
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Nov 30, 2007 - 9:48 am:
No, normally you find a defect at the toe and follow it up the horn of the wall until you find where it has broke through to sensitive tissue and set up a abscess.
DrO
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