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Discussion on I think it is a gravel
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gwen
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Posted on Thursday, Mar 13, 2008 - 6:59 am:
My qh is showing signs of a stubborn gravel that is draining somewhat. I just discovered last night, as I was hosing it, that there seems to be a small crack in his hoof just below the site. I have two questions:
1)What is up with the little crack?
2)I am wrapping it with icthamol, ok right?
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Mar 13, 2008 - 8:28 am:
Hello Gwen,
1) Uhhhhhh...a weak area of horn due to the undermined infected corium that has now cracked?
2) No Gwen this is not how I would be treating this. How I would treat this the article explains how I would handle this.
DrO
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Member:
gwen
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Posted on Thursday, Mar 13, 2008 - 8:59 am:
1)Okay, so how bad is that to have an actual crack in the hoof?
2)But isn't icthanol a drawing agent???
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 7:04 am:
Hi Gwen is the crack right below the coronary band? Was your horse ever lame? Having dealt with a few gravels it seems once they blow out the top and are done draining they are pretty much done. UNLESS your horse is still lame and it hasn't completely drained all you have to do is watch the crack grow down the hoof . Which can get ugly sometimes. I always tried to keep the crack clean and dry when it was done draining by dumping betadine down it for a few days.
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gwen
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Posted on Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 10:05 am:
It is still draining Diane. It is being very stubborn. I am having the vet out this afternoon to "pop" it (for lack of a better term). Thanks for the tips on watching the crack grow. This is my first gravel, and I don't like it! 
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eoeo
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Posted on Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 11:42 am:
If you still have problems with it draining, take }35% FOOD GRADE peroxide (get it at the health food store)and mix 1/3 to 2/3 epsom salts and soak it. You should have it cleared up in a day or two. I had one that I fought for almost two weeks until I soaked it in that combination and it cleared up in two days. EO}
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 4:21 pm:
1) I would have to look at the crack to say Gwen.
2) Getting an abscess to open (draw it out) and getting one to drain are two different things. Even icthamol cannot beat gravity. If you have been using ichthamol and it has not worked you should consider something different. The recommendations in the article have resulted in dozens of such prolonged gravel cases to start getting better with a few days.
The idea of exposing sensitive tissue to the oxidation power of 35% peroxide sort of gives me the willies LKR, it is very tissue toxic and I would not recommend this.
DrO
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Member:
eoeo
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Posted on Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 5:07 pm:
I agree Dr. O, it is nasty stuff. I only used it as a last gasp effort. It did the trick. The abscess drained steadily for those two weeks, despite betadine packs, soaking in epsom salts, ickthamol packing, I put a ez boot on it and everything I could think of. The mare had had a problem of getting an abscess every few months but has not had one since I did that for over 2 years. EO
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gwen
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Posted on Friday, Mar 14, 2008 - 7:36 pm:
The vet was very pleased with what he saw today. He actually just gave me something called "animax" to reduce any inflamation and promote healing. Basically, Jack is on the mend! ah, someone knock on wood-QUICK!
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Mar 15, 2008 - 9:33 pm:
The horse got better LKR but was it because of this very toxic treatment or in spite of? Many gravels do heal on their own is time, sometimes a long time. On the other hand many are continuing to undermine the sole to pop out again at the heel the peroxide would never heel such a gravel as it will not get down to the sole.
Animax is a generic Panalog (antibiotic, antifungal, steroid) Gwen and the ointment formulation comes with a long nozzle you might poke down the hole of the gravel but I have to say, "squirting Animax down the exit hole of a gravel is not by idea of proper therapy". But if your horse is getting better great and I will knock on wood.
DrO
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Member:
gwen
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Posted on Saturday, Mar 15, 2008 - 11:16 pm:
Hmmmm. I am always concerned when Dr. O does not agree with treatment-even when my vet has prescribed it. I will double check the article for treatment after the abscess has erupted, but in case it is not there, what are your recommendations? IF THE RECOMENDATIONS ARE THERE, DISREGARD!
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