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Discussion on Founder?
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karent
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Posted on Monday, Oct 27, 2008 - 5:46 pm:
Had my Vet come out last week to check teeth and do the fall health exam.
She told me that by looking at my horses hooves, she could tell my horse had foundered over the summer. My question is, can a horse founder and never be sore or lame? I've been very fortunate that my horse has never been lame a day in her life. She has never had a bruise or abscess. However, as I posted on another thread a few weeks ago, when my farrier came out her lamina was larger than normal and there was dried blood around it. Most of that came off when he trimmed her. She had no sensitivity to hoof testers and hasn't been in any kind of pain.
I was just curious because I've never heard of a horse (personally) that foundered with no lameness, pain or rotation.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 - 8:08 am:
What did your veterinarian see that made her think your horse had foundered?
I have seen horses with chronic founder that had increase rotation without a report of pain. I have seen horses that flared out toe, which may appear as rotation radiographically, without pain. But not had a primary founder with rotation without pain.
DrO
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karent
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 - 10:35 am:
She was going by the rings on her hooves. Although, she didn't think X-rays were needed because she hasn't been lame or in pain. If you thought a horse had foundered, wouldn't you recommend X-rays, just to be sure?
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 - 11:01 am:
Hi Karen; horses can get rings on their hooves from a lot of things, including going from dry to wet conditions, changes in feed, and illness. I don't think rings on the hooves are a good indicator of previous founder.
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karent
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 - 4:25 pm:
Hi Sara,
I'm glad you had a good time at the Nationals, my good friend Janet was there as well with her horse. They got in the top 10 their first two classes, but didn't make the 3rd cut. She was thrilled as this was her first time at Nationals.
Our pasture is wet year round so that makes sense going from dry to wet, as the horses spend most of their days in the pasture and gravitate to the barn at night.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 - 8:54 pm:
Sara is right, rings are a common event in horses and most often not from founder for some of those reasons see the subtopic on rings in Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Wall Cracks and Thin Sensitive Soles. Despite the ominous title many causes are quite benign.
DrO
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Member:
mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 - 10:08 pm:
Wow,Karen, I'm impressed with your friend! What class was she in? On her own or with what trainer? Great job either way!
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Member:
karent
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Posted on Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 - 3:26 pm:
Sara,
Janet showed in Country English Pleasure, her trainer was there, but Janet rode. Her horses name is Apollo's Glory. Glory is only 6 years old, so she still has a long career ahead of her.
Thanks for your response DrO, as well as yours Sara.
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Member:
mrose
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Posted on Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 - 11:54 am:
Like I said, I'm impressed! Country English looks difficult, as do all the saddle seat classes imo. Good for her!
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