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Discussion on Muscle Tear
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Member:
shirl
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Posted on Friday, Dec 12, 2008 - 11:07 pm:
Dr. O, & HA friends,
My mare was tied, frightened by a falling object, pulled back resulting in what the vet said was a "muscle tear in the semi-membranosis muscle and possible semi-tendonosis. (In layman's terms, the inner thigh muscle) She prescribed Bute, 1 gr twice daily for 7-10 days. It was also suggested I put DMSO on this muscle which was intolerable due to the burning sensation. Is there any other treatment you advice? The mare is walking with no problem, but judging from her demeanor she is still in discomfort. The area is obviously very sore to the touch. I am told it could take a month to heal which due to the severity, is probably correct. Do you agree? Is the length of Bute given safe?
Thanks so much for any advice, thoughts, etc.
Shirley
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Dec 12, 2008 - 11:28 pm:
Hi Shirley...Poor Sedona, Last year a friend had a similar thing happen to her horse. Turnout seemed to make it way worse and she ended up having to stall rest her for quite sometime. Is Sedona suppose to be stall rested? I know my friend ended up regretting not stall resting her horse from the beginning, maybe that isn't the protocol for this kind of injury...not sure.
I wouldn't worry about that much bute for a short time as you state, just make sure she doesn't feel to good from it and start ripping around
Hope she heals quickly!
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shirl
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Posted on Friday, Dec 12, 2008 - 11:38 pm:
Diane, Thanks so much for answering - and you're pretty smart to even remember her name!!
My vet said to let her walk as she wants which isn't much. Even with the Bute she doesn't tear around or move too much. She hates being confined so would probably do more damage that way.
Hope you are doing okay with the cold/snow, etc.
Shirl
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ajudson1
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 9:18 am:
Hi Shirley,
Oh poor dear, that's gotta hurt! I also wouldn't worry about the Bute, and if I were you, ask the vet what you can use with the DMSO to make it more tolerable?
DrO, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't DMSO considered a carrier, and often used with something else? I thought it penetrated the skin rapidly and for that reason is often mixed with another substance?
I've used DMSO on my tendon, and I don't remember it burning, just that I could taste it later! ICK.
Wishing her a fast recovery!
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shirl
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 9:50 am:
Diane,
Ya the usual carrier is Furizone salve first, then the DMSO. On leg injuries I've always done that then wrapped, assuming the wrapping helps the heat to penetrate through the Furizone. My question is: if the above procedure is followed, will the heat penetrate without wrapping?? Can't wrap her "butt". :o)
Thanks for your wishes Diane, and take care of yourself in the ice and snow.
Shirl
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shirl
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 10:00 am:
Well, now I'm so senile I can't remember who I'm talking to. Forgive me Angie! Thank YOU for your message and concern. Both you and Diane are great people, comical and amusing, plus being very, very smart!! If I have any excuse -- just call it age related.
Hugs, Shirl
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 10:31 am:
Hello Shirley,
Injuries in this area have a special concern that you can read about and how to treat in the article associated with this forum. Click on Fibrotic or Ossifying Myopathy & Myositis off the navigation bar above. No one can say what is a safe dose in your horse Shirley but many horses would have no problem with that dosage of bute.
DrO
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mrose
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 10:48 am:
Hi Shirley, I can understand about your concern re: bute; however, I just wanted to reasure you a little. Libby was on bute along with strong antibiotics for a long periods of time and to the best of our knowledge has suffered no ill effects. She is on bute again right now due to pain from her foundered foot, but I've put her on gastroguard also. If you are still concerned, you might put Sedona on gastroguard. The vets in CA seem to think it would help; at the least it keeps me from worrying about the effects of the bute.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 11:52 am:
Shirley,
We all suffer from CRS, (can't remember,sh**...um STUFF" lol! And it don't have anything to do with age, trust me!
Glad I bring smiles to your face, and hopefully I even offer something worth while sometimes, lol!
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shirl
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 12:28 pm:
Thank You Dr O and Sara,
Dr. O judging from the articles you suggested, which I'd already read :o), there is lameness mentioned and Sedona is not lame just very sore, so I'm assuming the muscle is not torn, just pulled, stretched. Does this make sense? In your opinion is there any thing I can put on it to ease the discomfort along with the Bute?
Thanks so much for any and all advice.
Shirl
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rtrotter
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 3:09 pm:
Shirley,
How about some poultice, maybe alternate warm and cold. Don't worry about wrapping it since it is in such and area that it would be next to impossible to wrap anyway. Just put enough on to coat the area thick enough ( 1/2 in thick).
As to the bute go by your vets recommendation. I also had a horse that needed bute for a very long time. He got 2 grams twice a day. Since I was concerned about his stomach, I mixed the crushed up powdered bute with 2-3 oz of extra strength Maalox ( to coat his stomach) and dosed him with that twice a day. The strawberry flavored maalox also hid some of the taste of the bute. It is also much less expensive than Gastroguard or Ulcergard.
Your mare should be fine.
Rachelle
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zarr
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 3:46 pm:
Shirley, Zarr had this problem couple of years back and he can't tolerate bute.We used B-L solution it comes pastetube, liquid or pellets. He loves the liquid taste so it was no trouble to use and I used good old mineral ice.Best of luck!
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shirl
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Posted on Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 - 4:44 pm:
Thanks Rachelle and Cindy,
Strawberry Maalox (yummy) don't sound bad. Great idea. And Mineral Ice--why didn't I think of that. I had jars of it around when I had Sierra as she was always needing it. Can't believe it didn't register. Well, yes I can.:o)
Thanks much both of you.
Shirl
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Dec 14, 2008 - 10:32 am:
A couple of thoughts. Even bruising is severe may heal with fibrosis and complications. We occasionally get reports on these boards of horses that develop this complication but no injury was recorded so we assume the injury subclinical, maybe a case like yours so we recommend the exercises.
The mechanism of bute induced ulcers is not due to a excessive acidity and whether alkalizers might effect the bute action in the horse is unknown. Ulceration, usually of the right ventral colon, is a pharmacological action on the basal cell layer of the bowel and caused by the medicine in the blood.
I like the poultice idea and for thoughts on hot vs cold check out Diseases of Horses » First Aid » Pressure Wraps, Poultices, Cold and Heat Therapy for Swelling in Horse Legs.
DrO
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Member:
shirl
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Posted on Sunday, Dec 14, 2008 - 3:29 pm:
Thank You Dr. O,
Now she's developed "rub sores" between the thighs where the one is swollen. I put some Aloe Vera cream on it last night, but after thinking about it all night, maybe baby powder is the way to go. Your thoughts? Again thank You. I love this horse and it kills me to see her sore.
Shirley
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 - 9:01 am:
Besides keeping the area clean, I would consider the use of triple antibiotic ointment and that the Vaseline base might help.
DrO
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Member:
shirl
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Posted on Monday, Dec 15, 2008 - 2:28 pm:
Thank You Dr. O,
I did use the Vaseline this AM and will add the antiobiotic ointment tonight. Appreciate your help more than I can say.
Have a wonderful Holiday,
Shirley
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