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New Member: paloma |
Posted on Monday, Feb 23, 2009 - 3:14 pm: Hello Dr. O and group,I apologize that this may be long winded, but I want to get all the details out right off. I have been reviewing posts for months now. I have read all the Lyme posts, those on EPM, pelvic injury, hock disease and stifle issues. All of the above could fit my horse's symptoms at some point. His lameness has moved around and he currently is sore on all four legs, SI joint, TMJ and has a ruffled look to his coat with some patches of dermatitis. His eyes are often dull, he pins his ears often although he is gentle, and he has no energy. He always eats well. Since my 2 vets are not sure what to do for my horse next, and following the recommendation to exercise him makes him worse, I feel I need to ask for HELP! His history is I think important to mention. I bought him as a 2.5 yr old, Tennessee Walking Horse 12 months ago from TN and had him shipped to CA. He passed a pre-purchase exam on arrival and I was present. He moved fine, although tired and thin, from the long haul. But, it did not take long though for me to notice he was quiet for a young horse, frequently standing hock to hock, his stifles were catching and his eyes were dull. Three months from purchase, he had a pasture accident, injuring his r/r stifle, and began to lay down a lot and had trouble getting up. My vet did hock x-rays which showed middle hock joint narrowing and bone spur, stifle ultrasound showed tendonitis and swelling in joint sheath. I have read gaited horses can have these issues, but he is so young! Both issues were treated with a few days of Dexamethazone and bute with a short lay up then prescribed light exercise. He seemed to recover and flexed sound in 2 weeks. However, his rear end weakness and lethargia lingered, and atrophied muscles of the right rump were noticed. He soon developed soreness in the front hooves and moved in a stiff stilted way on the front. I thought it was because his rear was so compromised, and followed the prescribed light exercise to strengthen his stifles. He was never ataxic or wobbly, just sore and weak, but he did develop some nasal snoring when exercised. I had him rechecked and we injected his hocks with cortisone and two weeks later he tripped and flipped, falling on flat ground from an extended walk. I know cortisone can lower the immune system, so that all seemed like a new red flag. I had him tested for EPM by WB serum, as that was the test my vet offered. (I now know the IFAT would have been more informational.) He was EPM POSITIVE and although I know that does not mean he had active protozoa, I chose to treat him for two months on Marquis. Two weeks into the Marquis he showed extreme muscle soreness and could not even be hand walked. My west coast vet had limited EPM experience and did not know to offer Banamine prior to treatment and my horse suffered for that. His stifles started to completely lock up, I think because he was so immobile by then. I then researched your posts on PREVICOX and begged to try that after weeks on Bute seemed to cause him to bite at his sides in ulcer symptoms with not much relief. He was on PREVICOX for two months and turned out on 1 acre with no hand walking and he did begin to show less pain, and walk more at liberty. Although he still had trouble getting up each morning. I have kept videos documenting all his symptoms which have helped me see the tiniest progress which has given me hope as he is getting up easier but is still sore all over and un rideable. The frustrating part is that upon rechecks at the clinic with my vet, my horse does not examine as lame and lethargic as he is at home. He tells me each visit, he seems better and to exercise him, but if I do, by day four my horse is too sore to even hand walk. I can not afford to haul him to the Specialty Hospital for bone scans etc. so I have tried to be patient that time to grow up would help him. I am heartbroken over all this and have used up all the emotional and financial support from my husband on this matter, yet I still want to try to help my horse. I have emailed the breeder in TN to see if they may have information on LYME in there area, but no reply as of yet. Dr. O, I wanted to ask if you would recommend I try to treat him with Doxycycline for the 28 day treatment period to see if he responds to that. Whether he may have Lyme disease, or even just inflammation of the joints I am wondering if it may be worth a try? My ranch vet said it would not be first on the to do list. We are currently working on rebalancing his hooves with the EPONASHOES in hopes that maybe that will resolve some of his body soreness, but I still feel strongly that there is another undiagnosed issue. Any day, my husband is going to say, "no more", and that is haunting me. I am desperate and welcome all of your suggestions. |
New Member: paloma |
Posted on Monday, Feb 23, 2009 - 4:36 pm: Oh, I forgot to mention that I also had front hoof/pastern x-rays done recently and they show the coffin bone is OK but there is uneven joint spacing indicating his unbalanced loading on his hooves. Not surprising knowing the year he has had. He is not sensitive to the hoof tester and his walls are good. This issue too is so frustrating as he has had regular farrier care by a well respected farrier. Just one more thing on my horse's long list of issues. My new ranch vet is awesome and saw this problem and is correcting it. Now if we can figure out the rest of the horse... |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 - 7:35 am: Welcome Paloma,I think the most significant fact in the above post is the muscle atrophy in the right rear following injury: this strongly suggest serious ongoing issues with this leg. It appears the biggest problem you are having with this diagnosis is getting the veterinarian to see what you are seeing. Would it be possible to have the veterinarian come to the farm when the horse is very lame? At this point a good lameness exam should be conducted with the first step localizing the problem. Note that neither radiography or nuclear scans are good localizing tools. For more on this see Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Localizing Lameness in the Horse. As to proper treatment of your horse, I cannot make judgements since I cannot examine your horse and as to the significance of Lymes Disease in horses I would refer you to Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Joint, Bone, Ligament Diseases » Lyme Disease, Borreliosis, in Horses. You express confidence in your farm veterinarian's opinions so why not follow his advice. I do not recommend the forced exercise of a horse that gets more lame with exercise. For more on our thoughts on treating the undiagnosed lame horse see Diseases of Horses » Lameness » First Aid for the Lame Horse. DrO |
Member: erika |
Posted on Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 - 11:03 am: Paloma, just a thought: I have no idea if Lyme is in TN, or even CA, for that matter. But if it isn't common where you live it can be really tough to get anyone to consider it.I say this because, although we LIVE in rural NJ where it is almost epidemic, my husband's doctor is in Manhattan--where Lyme would be a pretty rare diagnosis (Doc said, "I see four or five cases a year." and yet was certain my husband didn't have it on his limited experience with it! More than a year after nothing else helped, they finally tested him to shut me up--positive to 3 strains). The moral of my story is that just because it isn't common in your area, you local vets may not recognize it. Can be a tricky diagnosis. |
Member: frances |
Posted on Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 - 11:40 am: Hi Paloma,How about taking a video of your horse when his lameness is apparent; or maybe a series of dated videos showing the daily changes? This would be a way of showing the vets at the specialty hospital what you are seeing - and if you post the video/s here perhaps DrO could comment further? Good luck with your horse - it sounds like a very disheartening situation. |
New Member: paloma |
Posted on Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 - 7:03 pm: Thank you to each of you for your input in trying to help me figure this horse out.Dr. O, I will take your advice and give my new vet some more time to try to get him balanced and go from there. I hired him so, yes, finally someone could see what I see when I look at my horse move. When his adreneline comes up he can move pretty sound under saddle at the clinic, but once I get him home, he shows his true discomfort. My new vet does see it, just not sure what is going on with him. I guess the positive here, although he is still lame, is that the muscle atrophy in the right rump is gone. However, my new vet did say some muscles in the shoulders are bigger than they should be, and others in the chest area are smaller than normal, which still tells us that my horse is having to over work some muscles to do his daily routine. I did speak with my ranch vet today and he explained the obvious to me, that using antibiotics when not justified could cause more harm than good down the road. So, I will give him more time and keep the Lyme test on my to do list for now, since he did not feel it was his problem. Thank you Erika for sharing your Lyme story. Thankfully your husband finally was tested. I hope he is doing well. I too have a family member who has Lyme disease who lives in WA state. It took months to diagnosis her and she missed her Junior year of high school because of it. Tricky disease in deed! My ranch vet comes again this week to reset the Eponashoes, so I will hopefully see some improvements in his body soreness as he gets more balanced. I will let you know how it all works out. |
Member: leslie1 |
Posted on Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 - 8:00 pm: Yes, please do keep us informed on how you are doing. Its sounds very frustrating but hopefully your farm vet will get it figured out.L |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Feb 25, 2009 - 7:49 am: Paloma, let us know how it works out and review that article on diagnosing lameness, it describes the proper step by step procedure that starts with identifying which leg(s) is(are) lame.DrO |