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Member: kshayden |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 9:41 am: Hi Dr. O, good morning,My 6 Year old draft cross ( 16.2, 1420 lbs) appeared to not be feeling all that well this week. I took him to a boarding facility March 1st for training (dressage) in Northern California. He is in a 1/2 acre pasture with cover. Pasture was used by other horses prior and he has neighbors, two of which came a few days before he showed signs. I am out of town this week so more worried because I can't see him for myself. Tuesday his fever was 102 but yesterday it was 104. Trainer cold hosed and took him to the lawn and sat with him, instead of a training lesson (Tuesday as well, no training) and she noticed a bit labored breathing and said he was turning his nostrils up to catch his breath. I had noticed over the weekend he didn't seem quite right - eyes half closed and quieter so I asked her to keep a close eye on his eating and behavior. I rode him Saturday and he was unusually quiet but good. He didn't eat his hay a couple of times this week but did eventually clean it up. He has been seen drinking what does sound like more than normal. The water trough has auto waterer so I can't tell how much he is drinking. I did try to clean that thing out (big concrete waterer) as it had algae in it but wasn't too successful. Stool seems normal.He seems to have a good immune system as I have had a cough go through my herd several months ago and a little rescue came in November with snotty nose, eyes and fever which spread to two others but he didn't get either infection. He is on an irrigated pasture and at home his pasture is not irrigated so has annual type grasses. The hay is the same with respect to I buy my hay from these folks and the pasture he is on is what they cut the hay from so it is almost all the same depending on location as they have a couple hundred acres and different cuttings etc. He is due for his shots in May. I wanted to give them early this year as the facility has mosquitoes but my vet said there was no need. My question: I gave him a bath on Friday. It was about 70 degrees and the water was cold. When I rinsed him, he was really agitated and he started shivering a bit. I stood him in the sun to dry and blanketed him. Could I have caused pheumonia? He does seem to get colder than my other horses, even with a blanket on he was cold in the winter with wind/rain days. My vet is going out this morning. When I called her last night, she wanted some bute in him, which was done about 9 last night but didn't think it was an emergency. He is grazing. So, he seems a little less energized, didn't eat his hay a few times but is grazing and drinking with a high fever. No cough yet, no nasal discharge - oh - Monday one eye was a little messy but hasn't been since and it was really windy Sun/Mon. What can I ask my vet to look for? Should she take a blood sample? Thanks so much. I am very worried about this guy. |
Member: kshayden |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 9:50 am: so sorry. I forgot to add my vet wants to put him on antibiotics. Is this a good idea? I know it is probably just for precaution. What antibiotic would your recommend? Thank you so much. Kathy |
Member: drtrish |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 1:07 pm: Interesting! I had the same problem with my paint mare a few weeks ago after bringing her home from one week boarding while we were on vacation. Had all the same symptoms your horse does except the labored breathing. My vet told me sometimes its best to let a bug run it's course. She had me bute her to keep her fever down and 3-4 days later she was fine. I'm not giving out medical advise; just letting you know what I did for my situation. Good luck with your horse and I am interested to see additional posts about this problem. |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 3:17 pm: Kathy, horses (and people) get pneumonia from viruses and bacteria, not from being cold, so even if your horse got a little chilled, you didn't make him sick.I'm glad you are having the vet out. A fever over 102 is serious for an adult horse imo. Has anyone listened to his lungs? Taken his respiration rate? Heart rate? If not, these things are good to keep track of any time a horse is sick. |
Member: pattyb |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 4:29 pm: Hmmmmm...similar thing happened at my house about a year ago. My "problem child" Arabian/Paint ran a fever of 103 with lack of appetite. Vet came out and gave him a Naxel(not sure of spelling) injection with plans to return if needed. Fever gone by evening, no further visits were nec.Under normal circumstances, we usually do a 3 or 4 day course of Naxel with fever but knowing his issues with injections (which I am starting the desensitizing this weekend), we decided to do a day by day analysis first. Never knew what or why.......... On the flip side, when I was in high school, I lost a horse to pneumonia and is why I have the vet out as soon as possible to rule it out or prevent it as a secondary infection. In my book, it takes a lot for a horse to not want to eat so I have the vet out wanting to be safe, not sorry. I know it cost a lot to have the vet out every time there's a mystery but I like to get a jump on things because you just never know and I don't want to wait to find out. I'm also a big believer in blood work. It may not tell you what the problem is specifically but, it can tell you what it isn't which in itself, is a great diagnostic tool. Good luck, I'm interested to know how you do. |
Member: chance1 |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 4:55 pm: Hi,My horse had the similar symptoms a few years ago. He also appeared to be short striding...having trouble moving, as if he were very sore all over, almost like I feel when I have the flu. I had pulled a tick a few days earlier and my vet said it could be erlichiosis (sp?)and treated for that with injections of oxytetracycline (if I remember correctly). He said if he was right, he'd be better in 3 days and if he wasn't, we'd do blood tests to see what else it might be. Luckily, my vet was right on the money. Just a suggestion since we've got ticks right now in northern California. Hope your horse is better soon. Best of luck, Ruthi |
Member: kshayden |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 6:42 pm: Thank you for your thoughts and history and possible ideas, especially that I probably didn't cause his illness with his bath.The vet just reported back and he is perfectly normal. All vitals, temp, activity, desire to eat and drink all are good. She said he obviously spiked yesterday and is more than likely going to be fine. YEAH... I talked to the barn manager and she said that he didn't like a batch of hay from earlier in the week - and it is still in his feeder. Perhaps he didn't like it for a real big reason but was hungry enough to indulge enough to make him ill. I will investigate it tomorrow when I get home. I am so happy he is better. I hope he continues to improve. fingers and toes crossed |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 7:26 pm: Sometimes they get "bugs" like kids do, usually a virus like a cold. Maybe that's what happened with your horse. I don't think feed would cause a fever - least I've never heard of it doing so.Did your horse not like his feed or not eat it because he wasn't feeling good? Often they will not eat much if they feel bad. If he didn't like it there could be a good reason. Are the other horses eating theirs o.k.? I'd check his feed and make sure it is clean and sweet, not dusty, etc. just to be sure it's o.k. You don't want him eating stuff that could make him sick no matter how hungry he is. In m y experience (and I've had quite a bit) if a horse doesn't eat with gusto there's either something wrong with the horse or with the feed. Glad he's feeling so much better. I'd keep my eye on him for a few days, and be sure he's feed is good quality. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 - 9:24 pm: No Kathy, the bath did not give him this fever and I don't see any descriptions in your post to indicate pneumonia (we have an article on pneumonia in the respiratory disease section that explains the diagnosis). The increased respiration may be due to the fever but certainly suggest a good listen to the lungs. As to the decision on antibiotic use and type that really depends on your veterinarian's assessment as to the cause of the fever. So you should expect a thorough complete exam of your horse. It is usually a mistake to focus so closely on something specific that it means you may miss the real cause.Note you should not cold hose a horse with a fever from infection unless it approaches 106.5. The increase in body temperature is the main way he fights infection. 106's are not that uncommon with influenza or other viral diseases. Using antibiotics when a bacterial disease is not clearly indicated is not wise as the casual use leads to resistant populations of bacteria and the antibiotics are not without risks themselves. DrO |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 - 2:45 pm: My friend has 5 year old QH mare,Maggie, a nice quiet girl who is being trained for sorting, barrels and poles. She had very nice muscles. The owner is 55 years old and just wants to participate in Fun Days and Sortings at local ranches. She has had this mare since she was 3. Never any major medical problems. At the age of just past 4 she came back from being at a ranch for several months with an infected fly bite on her belly, which never healed. It has been an off and on battle, with periodic puss coming out. Her mare continues to lay on her belly and scratch it. Two weeks ago, her mare and another one in the pasture came up with what we thought was colic.Very hard stomach with bad gas.8:00 a.m. Very lethargic. She had a temperature of 102 that day and was given mineral oil. She did not drink water until 3p.m.that day, and finally ate a little at 6:p.m. that day, finally passing stool at 6;30 p.m. Her fever subsided, she got better and was actually ridden lightly on the 4th day. She then got kicked by another horse...her fever came back..and has been on an off, still lethargic ever since. It has been two weeks. She is eating, but takes forever to chew her food.She was stopping to rest and take naps between eating times. She just walks around listless and depressed. During the two weeks, Vet had us give her 4 days of Penicillin, which we thought helped. He looked at her again and gave her Uniprim for 11 days. Her fever has been from 102 to 106. He also gave her an immunity boost shot. She has lost about 200 lbs. Vet is having her blood work tested and waiting for results. Could this be from the fly bite...we have tried to figure this out. Any suggestions or similar problems? Some say ulcers, some say Pigeon Breast...vet thinks maybe a virus until test results come back. Thankyou. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Friday, Aug 21, 2009 - 9:48 am: August 21, 2009: Blood Work from Vet came back with nothing unusual. Mare's fever goes from 102 to 105. Still listless, but eating well, just walking along very slowly, somewhat like a human on valium...but gets agitated when fooled with too much. Vet says continue to feed her well and continue Uniprim until it runs out. Plenty of water and low stress. A girl on my ranch had a young gelding with this same problem about two years ago, and it took him over a month to recover. They could never find out what was wrong.All she can do is pray that Maggie will get better. Anyone else see this condition? |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Friday, Aug 21, 2009 - 10:12 am: Until you figure this out I would give the mare Eq. Senior or other supplemental feed,working up to quite a bit of it depending on her normal weight. I'd also add some corn oil, a little at a time, until she's getting at least 1/2 cup a day. This should help her put some weight back on. Also, the pelleted feeds like Senior are easier for the horse to chew and digest when they aren't feeling good.Has she been exposed to anything that you can think of? Eaten anything unusual? To my knowledge, ulcers don't give a horse a fever, so I'd rule that out. Read up on Pigeon Fever; I don't think her symptoms fit, but could be possible. Are you sure it's a fly bite she got and not something else? Is the area of the bite still swollen? hot? hard? soft? I"d keep her on antibiotics and I'd add bute also. But you should run that by the vet or get Dr.O. to comment as I'm not a vet. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Friday, Aug 21, 2009 - 7:55 pm: Thankyou so much for this advice. This morning I found Maggie tied up, with her back legs very stiff and wobbly...could barely walk. Vet said to bute her and give her electrolytes. She was better in about 3 hours. He said to turn her out in the pasture, and she seemed better. She did not want ot eat today and not drink too much water. We put Molasses on her food this evening, she did start to eat and drink more water. She is also eating her alfa/oat cubes this evening. Tried putting corn oil on her feed but she would not eat it. She likes eating grass and naps in between eating. She is very sore underneath where her infected place is. It has gone way down and is a small dot where a little puss comes out. She is sore all over, like someone with a fever. Her temp was 104 today before the bute.Feeling better this evening. |
Member: scooter |
Posted on Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 - 5:01 am: Could it be an infected tick bite? Ehrlichiahttps://www.horseadvice.com/horse/messages/4/5384.html |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 - 8:53 am: Hello Cecelia,Time constraints and past experiences with second hand descriptions have made for a long standing rule of avoiding comments on "other folks" problems. However you are welcome to print off a copy of the parent article of this discussion (Fever of Unknown Origin) and give it to your friend. DrO |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 - 8:56 pm: Thanks to both of you. I will read articles. Vet is now thinking it is an internal abcess? He has ruled out viral or disease. Blood work was normal. We discovered that the mare cribs when penned up at night. Vet said to let her roam in the pasture. Temp this afternoon was back up to 105. She is not eating as well as she was. Very sunk in on sides. Looks malnourished. Drinking lots of water and regular bowel movements. Still a mystery. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 - 3:24 pm: Maggie's fever spiked yesterday afternoon at 105.3, she was very uncomfortable. Gave her bute and Uniprim via turkey basting syringe. Seemed to want to eat grass and drink water. Did not want other food, but ate a little hay.Today, she had walked over 150 feet to her old barn and was waiting by the fence where we used to feed her. That was good to see. She ate hay for one hour, but not much of it. Would not touch her other feed, even with molasses in it. Vet said to get her out of the sun, and into a cooler place with a stall and turn out pasture so she would have shade. Temp was 104 and she seemed like she hurt when she walked, also had flaring nostrils after her walk. Gave her bute, Uniprim, fresh water, feed, alfalfa hay and some cubes. Put here where she could get a breeze while in the stall. She is not getting better. We are going to ask the Vet if we should go back to Penicillin...she seemed to get better with that drug. She is going down fast because she is not eating anything except hay. |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 - 4:07 pm: Cecelia, for an adult horse to have a fever that high for so long is unusual. (Not a vet, but have had horses for most of my 66 yrs.)I would be very concerned about this girl, and would do whatever it takes to keep her drinking, get her cooled down, and try and get her to eat - anything. I would want a full blood work-up, and a culture if she has any nasal discharge. I am assuming the vet has listened to her lungs and ruled out pneumonia? I don't know what your weather is like, but especially if it's hot, I'd keep her out of the sun, and would sponge her down with cool (not cold) water to try and keep her temp down. I'd keep her on but and the antibiotic, and if she isn't improving and your vet can't resolve what her problem is, I'd get her to a good vet clinic or teaching hospital. A culture should give the vet an idea of what he's dealing with and what drug would be most effective. If he's unsure, a strong, broad spectrum antibiotic would be used, I'd think, which Uniprim is if I'm not mistaken. I'd try giving her water with gatoraid in it or pediolite in it as I'd be concerned about her electrolite being unbalanced at this point. I wouldn't give her electrolite past unless she is drinking lots of water. Usually something sugary, like molassas will increas appetite. If that doesn't work, I'd try a warm bran mash with a little senior or maybe some alfalfa pellets mixed in it - anything to get her eating. If she will eat grass, I'd hand graze her in the evening and early morning when it is cool. I've had a horse with pigeon fever and it never went off it's feed like your mare. Is she swallowing o.k. when she does eat? chewing o.k.? Is there anything else at all that you can find that is unusual going on with her? I'm just pulling at straws from my own past experiences. Sure hope you're able to resolve this and she gets better. Good luck. |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 - 4:15 pm: Grasping at straws here but cannot help but wonder whether this horse could be suffering from infection/tissue deterioration due to a brown recluse spider bite?Lot of fever though, so depends upon whether there is still some localization of infection. Very distressing. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Monday, Aug 24, 2009 - 3:23 pm: Thank both of you for your advice. Maggie's fever was 102 last nite, back up to 104.8 this morning. We are in Hawaii, weather has been hot and humid. She has been hosed down and her face, neck cooled with water. Electrolytes are also given. She went off her Senior and Strategy for two days, but now is eating that again, but small portions at a time. She ate, overnite, almost Strongid size bucketfull of alfalfa oat cubes. We gave her alfalfa and bermuda grass hay, mixed. She ate some of it. overnite, she drank 5 gallons plus of water. She is not so sunken in today.Vet has ordered another antibiotic from the mainland. He has now asked me to bute her twice a day for comfort. The bite underneath her belly has now closed up, but there is a noticeable caved in area where the puss was coming out. Might have been a spider bite, but was diagnosed as an infected fly bite. Her chewing is much better as during this at first, we thought her teeth needed to be floated, so that was done. She was tested for Strangles, but that was not the case. No nasal discharge. She is sore all over and does not like to be touched. Today, overall, she is doing better, except for her temperature. She was walking around, and actually went outside the stall area into the pasture, but not herself. |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 - 7:37 am: So glad she's feeling better and eating. Boy, with that sunken area, I'd almost bet money on a spider bite. It's very typical of a poisonous bite, like the brown recluse mentioned by Vicki. I hope she continues to improve. |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 - 9:15 am: Cecelia,Good luck with the new treatment and I hope that improvement will now be steady. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 - 3:21 pm: Here fever this morning was 103.8, down from all of the other days. She is neighing when I pull up, so that is a good sign, before, she did not indicate any signs of spunkiness. Still looks, thin, is eating small amounts whenever she wants.Her choice is cubes, senior, alfalfa hay, bermuda hay and Strategy. She also gets applesauce as a treat after her meds are administered by mouth. She is happy when I let her out into another pasture to graze in the late afternoon. Hope she continues to improve. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 - 11:37 pm: Maggie's fever this evening was 104.7, and she does not feel very well. I am waiting for new antibiotics from vet(not sure what they are). Place on her belly has now closed up but with a sunk in area. Not eating well this evening. Very sore when she walks. Cooled her head and neck down with water. Gave 1 g. of bute for fever. She has had fever up and down now for 18 days. My friend at another ranch had a Palomino who had up and down fever for over a month. He survived, vet never could figure it out. Fever just finally stopped, and he has not gotten ill again. |
Member: ajudson1 |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 - 6:22 am: Sounds like everyone is doing all they can to keep Maggie comfortable and help her recover.I am wondering if she is consistantly being given the bute? 1 g. 2x daily? The ups and downs of the fever would change, I'd think, if the bute wasn't given at regular times. Has anyone with expert advice on spider bites been contacted? To rule out that possibility? Give Maggie a few healing loving strokes from me. Tell her to get better soon. |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 - 12:54 pm: I hope that the new antibiotic will give good results.It sure sounds like Maggie is fighting something that may have gotten into her entire system. With recluse bites, it is not uncommon to require surgery to clean up the nectrotic tissues and I suppose other bites could also require this. Can the Vet tell if the sunken abdominal area is healed up clean inside? All best wishes for things to go better for your horse. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 - 8:58 pm: Maggie is given bute 2 g in the a.m. and 1 g in the p.m. Her fever was 104.3 this morning before the bute. Horseshoer came by to take off her shoes, found an area underneath where her leg meets her belly, within the folds of the skin, where possibly an abscess might be coming to the top. Took pictures for the vet. Received new antibiotics, called Viceton (Chloramphenicol), which has to be given orally 3 times a day.Maggie seemed tired today. Gave her first dose this evening. Ate a little hay, grass and cubes. Vet said that we might have to open up and draw infection out of area under her belly. Poor girl, she wants to live but feel so darn bad, if only she could tell me where it hurts. |
Member: lilo |
Posted on Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 - 4:54 am: Just want to send positive thoughts to you and Maggie. I sure hope this can be resolved soon - it is so hard to deal with something without a definite diagnosis.All the best, Lilo |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 - 6:47 am: With two abcesses, I really wonder about Pigeon Fever. And, feeling as bad as she does, about internal abcesses also. (Although, an insect could bite in two different places.) Do you have other horses near you? Have any of them been sick? Have you read about or are you familiar with Pigeon Fever and does the discription fit her problem? Does the vet think this is a possibility? Poor girl...and poor you! Nothing worse than trying to treat something without knowing what it is, esp. when you aren't seeing improvement. |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 - 12:34 pm: The area that Cecelia has now described is a favorite location for bug bites and there are a lot of big blood vessels and major circulation going on in that vicinity.I also wonder if the infection from under the belly could have somehow run downward to form a mass in this new location? |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 9:39 am: Maggie passed away yesterday morning, just went to sleep and did not open her eyes again. I had been out there at 6:30 a.m. to give her bute and other medicine. Her temp was 102.4, so I was glad of that, but she was tired and DrOoling a little bit. She had eaten, urinated and I found two piles of stool. She actually walked around while I was there, but she was breathing hard when she did this. She was not happy when food was brought out. I left at 7:10 a.m. My friends found her at about 7:30 a.m. laying down and never woke up. She fought a good fight. No other horses were or have been sick like this at the ranch. The vet thinks it was an internal abscess that was travelling and it looked like it was surfacing under her leg folds by her belly, but whatever it was, there was too much infection to fight. The vet thinks that she might have gotten Pneumonia while she was ill and that made her loose her breath. Thanks to everyone for all of their help and thoughts. I think she waited to pass until I came to see her in the morning, one last time. |
Member: dres |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 10:03 am: On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots. |
Member: shirl |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 10:34 am: My deepest sympathy. Memories will eventually, make you smile again.Hugs, Shirl |
Member: ajudson1 |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 10:37 am: I am so sorry.(((HUGS))) Angie |
Member: frances |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 10:37 am: I'm so sorry to hear this Cecilia. At least it was a fairly peaceful ending. |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 10:49 am: How very sad.I am deeply sorry for your loss. |
Member: rtrotter |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 11:04 am: My condolences. All I can say is horses know and they try as much as they can to not let the people who know and love them best see them die. It something they can sense. Just like mares foaling in the middle of the night when they think no one is watching them.This is the other end of the spectrum. You certainly tried very hard to help her. Now she is no longer in pain and is running around with all of the rest of our horsey friends that have passed over the rainbow bridge. Rachelle |
Member: canter |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 11:46 am: Cecelia, I am so very sorry to hear of Maggie's passing. Please pass on my condolances to her owner. My thoughts are with you both.Fran |
Member: scooter |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 11:46 am: Cecelia, my condolences. You did all you could and she had a peaceful ending. It's so hard when you don't know what you are dealing with and can't find the answers. She joins many great ones over the rainbow bridge. |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 12:18 pm: I'm so sorry, Cecelia. You certainly did all you could do, and no more could be asked of you. I'm sure this mare knew and appreciated your efforts. Sometimes the scope of illness or injury is just too much to cope with. It would be very interesting to know just what caused all this; but again, sometimes we just never know. Some things in life, and in death, are just a mystery to us. I hope you find peace in the fact that you did what you could.Your mare is in good company now. Many of us on HA have lots loved horses. I picture all of them running around together. |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 3:05 pm: Thanks so much to all of you who have helped me thru this traumatic illness with Maggie.You all have given so much advice and support. This has been an outlet for me...looking...seeking...finding...comfort thru fellow horse owners and vets. Maggie was raised at Dahana Ranch, Waimea, on the Big Island in those green rolling pastures...I am sure I will find her spirit out there as well as in the hills of her final resting place, Gunstock Ranch, Laie, North Shore, Oahu. Love you, Magpie |
Member: erika |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 3:33 pm: So sorry for Maggie's passing. It must have been very hard to try to help when no one could figure out what the root of the problem was. She is at peace now. Glad you got to see her one last time.Please tell her owner that you are all in our thoughts. Erika |
Member: ceceb |
Posted on Friday, Aug 28, 2009 - 3:37 pm: Yes, i certainly will do that. We forgot to THANK HORSEADVICE.COM FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND HAVING A SITE LIKE THIS ONE TO HELP US ALL! |
Member: lilo |
Posted on Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 - 5:46 am: My deepest condolences, Cecilia. I am so sorry to hear about the outcome.With sympathy to you and the owner and all who loved this horse, Lilo |
Member: npo33901 |
Posted on Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 - 7:19 am: Cecelia, your darling horse is out of her misery - hope you will recover from your trauma - My deepest condolences . -Very, very sorry for you . Fame |