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Member:
liliana

Posted on Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 - 10:48 pm:

llo Dr. O and all the HA family,

I am very worried that Scarlet may have the same problem as my Henry, she is very depressed not eating and has difficulty in peeing, she stands in pee position but nothing comes out, this has been for three days, yesterday she stood on pee position for about two minutes and then she peed. I was reading kidney problems. And she does dribble however as her mouth is wider that normal, sometimes she has bubbles on the corner of her lips, when she pees is almost clear, she does not have a temperature her breathing is a bit faster as she is in pain.

My main worry is that Henry suffered sooo very much hours before he died, I was talking to a human doctor shortly after Henry's death and he mentioned that some times when diuretics are applied when they cannot pee there can be a rupture of ... cannot remember the medical term he mentioned.

She also broke a hoof about three weeks ago and has slight swelling of the fetlock, and she developed a line similar to laminitis but just one almost a centimetre wide.

What should I do? Do you think is time to put her to sleep; I really do not wanted her to go the same was as my Henry, he suffered so much pain.

The water is soo hard in Cozumel and also the ducks sometimes bath and poop in the water through, could this be poisoning the horses?

I am desperate as you can imagine, thanking you in advance

Liliana
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009 - 8:30 am:

Lilliana,
The decision to euthanize must be made by you. If you feel the chance of recovery is poor and the amount of suffering high then euthanasia is certainly a reasonable course.

I continue to think these are more likely to be colic than urinary disease. This is particularly true in a mare where the urethra is short and wide. However I cannot know this without an exam, I just know in my area horses that park out abnormally are going to turn out to be bowel problems nine times for every one time it is a urinary tract problem. Experienced rectal palpation is critical to making this distinction.

Considering the lack of availability of veterinary care in your area I would recommend you follow the first aid instructions on colic Diseases of Horses » Colic, Diarrhea, GI Tract » Colic in Horses » First Aid for Colic.
DrO
Member:
dres

Posted on Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009 - 5:55 pm:

Oh Liliana.. can't help you , just wanted to send you a huge {{{{HUG}}}}

On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
Member:
vickiann

Posted on Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009 - 6:16 pm:

Liliana,

So sorry to hear about this problem and hoping that things will improve for this horse.
Member:
liliana

Posted on Friday, Sep 18, 2009 - 11:02 am:

Thank you sooo much Dr. O Ann and Vicki,

I did not have time to pay internet and of course got cut off, (back this morning) getting shaving is not easy, sometimes it is full of nails, wrappers, bits of wood.


Thank God we managed to get enough for a deep bed, at least she is calmer, she looks happier, breathing slower, she, pooped fine but little pee.
At the feed store I was told that they use “Vitalgina”:Fenildimetilpirazolonametilaminometasulfonatosódico} 500mgVehículoc.b.p. I cannot even pronounce it! But it does not say how much as it should be sold with medical prescription. Also they told me that gelatine is good for the hooves, it has been very dry and their hooves crack, and a chunk about 2 cm came off. Would it aggravate the problem being an animal by-product?

It is at times like this that I wish either I never came back to Mexico or I did not have animals, it is so heart breaking to see them die because there are no facilities. But I guess this should really be more the reason to keep trying.
This mare has been with us for about 7 years and she is still extremely nervous, she literally starts trembling when someone approaches her, which adds to the problem of having her checked over, my small animal vet came but could not get hear her, she can only be grown tied or she breaks into a sweat and throws herself about,” God gave me four feet and they should be on the ground” it takes me a good 20 minutes to pick her feet, she is so sweet though, she stands next to me and nozzles my arm lets me pat her once and then she curls her nose and ears back as threatening as she can manage to look and yet she has never hurt a fly in the time she has been with us.

I will try and get some blood which will not be easy, if only there was an oral sedative!

Thank you soo much and pleas keep fingers crossed,

Love
Liliana
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Friday, Sep 18, 2009 - 7:54 pm:

Lilliana I am clueless as to what medication that is and it does not look like a real chemical or generic drug name.

Gelatin, which is almost pure protein and highly digestible is not as near as helpful an you might think. The problem is it provides mainly those amino acids that are not essential and is very deficient in essential amino acids. Though long touted as a nail strengthening supplement there is little scientific evidence of this. A better protein supplement would be alfalfa hay if available and only really needed if the daily forage is protein deficient.
DrO
Member:
liliana

Posted on Friday, Sep 18, 2009 - 10:45 pm:

Scarlett seems a lot better today, her eyes are not swollen, she does not have her head low and depressed, she pooped a little and peed a little, she wanted to go walk about with her mates this morning, she ate all her food! Not drinking much though all night she only had about 8Lt, I stabled her again tonight to see how she does
I’ve done some reading on the Vetalgina, sorry I just realises I wrote Vita instead of VETA on my previous post. It seems to be Neo-melubrina which is banned in the USA, but of course is sold in Mexico, I am glad I read this as we usually we all take it for a high fever. I am trying to get Benamine from Cancun or somewhere else.
As for alfalfa, there has been none for three weeks! (another little problem), there is hardly any green, as we’ve had no rain there is no grass any more, they’ve eaten all we had at the ranch, so they are eating bark from the trees, leaves, and whatever shrub seems tasty. And unfortunately the wild grass that grows in town on the empty lots seems too contaminated with insecticide as some of them always colic when we have fed it to them.
Gosh I pray that she gets better and when her time comes she goes painlessly, I hate to think what was done to her in the past if after 7 years she still is so frightened of everything and everybody.
God bless you I don’t know what we would do without you, from the heart.

Liliana
Member:
lilo

Posted on Saturday, Sep 19, 2009 - 9:48 am:

Hi Liliana - hoping this will turn around for the mare and for you. You care so much for your animals and your conditions are so difficult.
All the best,
Lilo
Member:
liliana

Posted on Monday, Sep 21, 2009 - 1:50 pm:

Hello Lilo!

How nice, thank you for the good wishes, it is sooo important to know there is someone there to lend and ear and some advice, after the horrible experience with Henry I am even more scared to call the so call horse's vets on the island, unbelievably there are so many horses but to them they are old at 7 and ready for the slaughter house and sold on for meat. But of course you see 6 and 7 year old kids riding a 4 month old baby horse.
Still one must go on, thank you for being there

Liliana
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