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Member: leec |
Posted on Friday, Oct 23, 2009 - 8:10 pm: Hi DrO,The Quarter Horse mare pictured here is 13 yrs old. She was born outside on a cold January night in the snow. Her ear tips froze and it is believed that she touched her tongue on something metal and half tore it out of her mouth. Her tongue has, for all of her life, hung out of the left side of her mouth. She brings it in only to eat. As the tongue was 'in the way', her teeth on the left side grew outwards at a significant angle, at least this is why they appear to be so angled. She has no problems eating hay or grass, appears healthy and keeps good weight without concentrates. She is comfortable with a bit in her mouth. She is well schooled in Dressage and has been a lesson/therapeutic riding horse. She has a very nice conformation, moves beautifully, is very well bred and has had two Warmblood foals. A kind lady took her in and is looking for a good home for her – thus where I come in... I tried this mare out today and she is very nice to ride and has a wonderful temperament. I don’t show, so the look of the hanging tongue is not a concern for me. The tongue, however, has some scars and marks on it (maybe she's bitten it in the past) and I wonder, what are some potential health issues that might arise with the angled teeth and/or hanging tongue? We don't know when, or if, her teeth have ever been looked at. Is there a surgery that could make the tongue less cumbersome? Being exposed so much, would make it very susceptible to further damage and potential infection I would think. It certainly can't be healthy for it to be exposed at all times to the sun or freezing cold? Though she seems to have coped well with it hanging out for 13 yrs... Any thoughts/suggestions about this odd handicap would certainly be appreciated. Thank you, LeeC |
Member: canter |
Posted on Friday, Oct 23, 2009 - 9:37 pm: Hi Lee,I'll let DrO give you the official medical response to your questions regarding this sweet faced mare. But I'll share a somewhat similar experience that may put your mind at ease just a bit. 16 years ago, our then 1 year old Setter was diagnosed with cancer in her jaw. To save her (the cancer had already eaten a dime size hole in the lower jaw bone), we brought her to Tufts and there the fabulous vets removed a good portion of 1 side of her lower jaw. The end result, was that her tongue hung out for the remainder of her 15+ years. She pulled it in only to eat, drink and bark. My husband continued her hunting training and she hunted in all sorts of heavy brush, in all weather, for many years. The tongue never slowed her down or negatively impacted her life except in one way. Other dogs saw this as a weakness and she was attacked several times, once she almost bled to death when another dog tore the tongue. We had to be VERY careful around other dogs for the remainder of her life. But that said, she lived a very full life before we said our goodbyes to her last year. The tongue did become very "leathery" over the years and she was the sloppiest eater and drinker because of it, but she quickly learned to cope, as we did, and she was fine. There were never any infections or issues with cold (granted, she lived in the house with us, unlike your mare, most likely). I would think, though, that after 13 years, the mare has also learned to cope and will be just fine. I would recommend keeping an extra close eye on the teeth should you choose to bring her home and of course, keep an extra vigilant eye out for anything around the barn/pastures that could cut her. Best of luck if you decide to take her. She has a lovely face and a very sweet eye. I'd find her hard to resist. |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Friday, Oct 23, 2009 - 10:33 pm: Tongue or no tongue, this is a lovely looking mare. I like the way she's built and as Lee said, she has a lovely sweet face and eye. I can't advise regarding the tongue,poor thing. But if she's not showing, I'd be inclined to think it wouldn't matter, but Dr.O or someone with experience in tongue problems will have to give the medical advice. Thank goodness, that's one problem I haven't had! (had plenty of others, though! LOL) |
Member: dsibley |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 7:29 am: One of my former boarders had a 3-day eventer who would hang his tongue when being ridden. Not good in the show ring, so she would slip him several sugar cubes just before her go. The tongue would stay in for most of the class!Lovely horse, BTW. Doesn't look as though the teeth are causing any problems with her feeding. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 9:47 am: Hello Lee,Without seeing the teeth I am not sure what problems you might experience. Two problems would be common in such a situation. One is that the horses teeth continually erupt through their lives and are worn down by the opposing tooth. If unopposed it will continue to grow and may require regular filing. The other problem is if gaps form between teeth food may accumulate and irritate the gums. As to the tongue you have pretty much said it all: it will be predisposed to injury but the horse has managed for 13 years without apparent problems. To me the tongue does not appear torn and healed but more partially paralyzed. I don't know of any surgery that can fix this problem and amputation may create more problems with eating than it fixes. DrO |
Member: sodmonst |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 11:27 am: I think that she's lovely, and she doesn't seem to have problems keeping herself in good flesh. If I found myself in your position, I'd LOVE her floppy tongue and "frosty" ears because probably these attributes create the chance to get her in this way.She has striking chrome; her blaze is beautiful, her conformation is correct, and she has such a sweet eye. What a conversation starter she'll be! Maybe your vet would help you learn how to monitor in order catch problems early. With her temperament, it sounds like you could teach her to accept your checking her teeth for sharp places, and her cheeks for ulcers. She might even learn to accept having you use a water-pick if you had to! She could even get to like it if you mixed a little minty mouthwash with the water. Then she'd be opening her mouth wide when she sees you coming Yikes! Picture that! Now I cannot get the image out of my head I'm getting jealous now, better stop. |
Member: sodmonst |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 11:47 am: I hope that if you get her, that she brings you years of enjoyment. "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." OK, now I'm done. Promise. |
Member: erika |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 3:21 pm: What a sweet mare! Looks like a teddie bear with those round ears! |
Member: leslie1 |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 3:32 pm: She is simply gorgeous! I love her and her tongue and ears too!I hope you get her! L |
Member: leec |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 4:05 pm: Hi all,Thank you all for your responses! She is as sweet as she looks! I am going to take her! You are right, Suzie, I could never afford this calibre of horse under 'normal' circumstances. I found out she was sold as a yearling for $7,400.00 CAD - her sire was an AQHA World Champion. She is also registered with the Canadian Warmblood Association, so she would have had to have passed inspection. I don't know much about Warmblood inspections, but can one get a copy of results from a past inspection? I'm gathering info for bragging rights should anyone question her right to be cared for and have a good life... A few people suggested to the lady who has her that she belongs in a meat pen because she looks disgusting - another wouldn't allow the horse to be pastured on their land... Unbelievable to me! I'll have my vet come out and look at her when I get her home, and get some help with teeth and tongue maintenance. Will let you all know what she says. Heading out to 'tongue safe' a pasture. Need to write a new section in the 'horse care' department! LeeC |
Member: sodmonst |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 4:55 pm: Lee, I'm happy for you. I think that her "details" add to her charm. Like you said, you are not going to show her, and as they say, you don't ride her head. Do you know her breeding? |
Member: leec |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 6:50 pm: Hi Suzie,I agree! Here's a link to her pedigree - https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/huskers+eskimo+pie DrO, I believe the tongue is torn width-wise at the base. Will be interesting to see what the vet discovers. Makes sense that it may also be paralyzed, or partly paralyzed. She seems to feel you touching the exposed area. LeeC |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 7:35 pm: Lee, You've got to be kidding!..belongs in the "meat pen!" I'm glad those same people aren't judging humans!!So glad you're going to keep her. I really like her from her pictures. |
Member: sodmonst |
Posted on Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 - 10:27 pm: Very nice! I love that pedigree site. I really hope that you post her picture on it. It is easy to do. |
Member: paul303 |
Posted on Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 - 12:51 am: I would figure that if anything bad was going to happen to the tongue, it would have started already. There may be a very gradual breakdown over the years, due to the drying of the surface tissue, but, from the pictures, it seems OK so far. Yes, having a dental background myself, I agree with Dr.O that there is the possibility of the tongue impacting the function and directional growth of the teeth, but regular check ups on the mouth should be able to address this, should it occur.Looks like a beautiful horse, and if she has training and a kind temprament.....and is sound, to boot, well, that's kind of a keeper. Heck, I have a QH mare who's barn name is "Frenchie" for obvious reasons... Since she was born, she's loved hanging her tongue out and doing gymnastics with it - and there is nothing wrong with her. She's 30 now. And the flippin' tongue is still operating. That is a fine looking animal, ears and all. |
Member: leec |
Posted on Monday, Oct 26, 2009 - 11:40 am: Hello all,Well, the new horse is home! I have to find a new barn name for her. Her registered name is Huskers Eskimo Pie. She was being called Kimo, but it makes me think of chemo, as in chemotherapy... I had thought I might just call her Pie, but after spending time with her yesterday, that is just too bland a name for her. My husband joked that she looks like a cartoon character, but I think she deserves better than a silly name. Any ideas? DrO, having had time to explore her tongue, it appears that she cannot feel me playing with the tip of it. Though, she will move it when a touch the side of it. The tip feels kinda rubbery. She definitely does not find it an inconvenience. She picks up hay and chews normally. She can pick up a treat off the palm of your hand (feels a bit funny!). I am not tall, so am more disappointed about her being 15.3hh, than I am about her tongue! Lee C |
Member: rtrotter |
Posted on Monday, Oct 26, 2009 - 1:11 pm: Lee,Her ears remind me of cuddly teddy bear ears, so my first thought as to renaming her was Bear. Then I thought of your husband's thoughts about her looking like a cartoon character, so I thought of Yogi Bear. I vote for Yogi as a nickname. Rachelle |
Member: shanson |
Posted on Monday, Oct 26, 2009 - 1:15 pm: Hmmmm... If she's used to Kimo, maybe a name that starts with the same sound?Kira Kit Key Or, you could pick a name that changes the subject. For instance, she has 4 pretty white socks, so call her "Socks." Folks will tend to focus on her feet first, instead of her unusual tongue! I like "Pie" so maybe something around your favorite pie? Or, she's kinda chocolate colored: chocolate pie...Coco? Here's a good site for ideas. https://www.horses-and-horse-information.com/horsenames/a.shtml. |
Member: ajudson1 |
Posted on Monday, Oct 26, 2009 - 1:39 pm: I think she's just beautiful! The tongue just adds some interesting character.Find a really good equine dentist and get some feedback on what to keep an eye on would be my suggestion. If she hasn't had teeth problems, she may start to have some just with age. NJ Lee, "Frenchie?!?" LOL!! Now I have Grease on my mind, and the pink haired "Frenchie" from the movie,And I'll be humming songs from that the rest of the day!! |
Member: sodmonst |
Posted on Monday, Oct 26, 2009 - 4:08 pm: How agout Moki? Same letters different spelling. |
Member: paul303 |
Posted on Monday, Oct 26, 2009 - 11:38 pm: I like that "Moki"! If "Pie" seems too bland, then just tell everybody....pie!!!!! as in, r squared. Then embellish it a bit and tell everyone you were a math major. |
Member: cheryl |
Posted on Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 - 8:26 am: Use to have a horse called Keno - was told the name means OK - don't know if that's right or not but I think it's a cool name. She is a beautiful horse - have a really good time together.Cheryl K |