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Discussion on Pergolide aversion
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ptownevt
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 9, 2010 - 9:36 pm:
Okay, now Storm has been diagnosed and put on pergolide. I bought a 30 day supply of the liquid suspension. I got the liquid because I could get 30 days worth as opposed to the powder which I had to get 60 days worth. I just needed a break for a few days financially. I mixed it into the middle of his beet pulp/grain last night for his first dose. He ate it. Today, not so fast. I tried this morning with it the same way. No sir! He ate a bit and walked away to eat hay. Since he had his first dose last night I waited to try with the pergolide until tonight. I syringed it directly into his mouth. He got the pergolide, but apparently the taste in his mouth was so bad that he wouldn't eat his grain which had nothing in it. I waited until 9 to try again to feed him. This time he ate.
What have those of you done to get pergolide into your horses and keep them eating. Is there that much difference between the powder and liquid. My vet said that they have one client who is getting pergolide treats. Storm cannot afford to pass on any meals.
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 9, 2010 - 10:17 pm:
Pam I started my horse on pergolide this fall, started with the liquid which he ate for a few days, then I screwed up and he wasn't getting any on his food (long story) anyway he refused the liquid on his food. So the vet ordered me those treats "gourmeds" he hated them even more I couldn't get them down him no matter what I did.
He is now on powder and has been eating that on his pellets for a month now with no problems..This horse is a hog and will eat just about anything.
You can have my gourmeds if you want them! The best way is to syringe it if he is refusing it until the liquid is gone and try something else.
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jowidner
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 12:47 am:
Pam, can you syringe it after your horse has eaten his grain? As they say, timing is everything!
I used to get the liquid but then changed to powdered capsules because it was quite a bit less expensive. I used to use Franke's Pharmacy in Ocala and they would mix whatever flavor was requested. I now use Todd's Harvard Park Pharmacy in Denver, and they also will compound whatever flavors you want to try. Their prices are the best that we HAers have found, and their service has been excellent. Their number is 303-733-3755.
According to the person I spoke with at Todd's, the powder has very little taste, but they usually mix it with a bit of apple flavor to make it more palatable.
I am currently mixing unflavored powder with a bit of applesauce and syringing it. That's what is working best for my horse and also is the most economical for me, but I'm sure that every horse is different. The powder comes in tiny little capsules and some horses will eat that along with their grain, no mixing or syringing required. Of course my horse isn't that low maintenance!
Hope that helps.
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 9:19 am:
Some find starting at lower doses in the feed and slowly building the dose up works for them over time. If you are going to syringe it in, I would blend it with a sticky thickener, like yogurt or applesauce.
DrO
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mjq1
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 10:54 am:
PTowne, I find the liquid works better, I don't know why, but I don't put it in his food. I give it at night before feeding, just like you would give wormer in the side of the mouth, back of the tongue. My guy waits a few minutes before eating, maybe ten minutes or so but then does. Mine gelding won't take anything 'on' his food as he is picky. When I have used the powder, I just put it on a tiny spoon, open the corner of his mouth like he is getting a bit, and place the powder on his gums or tongue. Whenever I have tried to sneak it into feed, he won't eat. I guess you could try a peppermint treat or something right before you give it to him to try to mask the flavor...just a thought.
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erika
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 11:04 am:
There have been a few threads on this topic recently. I think many of us avoid the liquid for two reasons: it is more expensive; and it degrades rapidly, which can lead to underdosing.
I find that my mare eats the capsules in her pellets with no problem--and she is a very picky eater. I do watch though to make sure she actually eats it and it doesn't stick to her lips and DrOp.
I also order from Todd's. Excellent prices and great customer service. Highly recommend them.
Erika
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mrose
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 11:33 am:
I'm like Monica, I do better with the liquid. I just squirt in the mouth and it goes down easily. The horse doesn't even seem to know what happened. I use liquid wormer when I can also. Much easier to get down imo.
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ptownevt
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 12:45 pm:
DianeE, I would love to try your Gourmeds if just to see if he would eat them. Do you think the pergolide is still good in them? Can you get my email from my profile or something?
Pam
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 1:05 pm:
Yes they are good I just got them, they keep much longer than the liquid suspension. What dosage is your horse on? I will have to look but I think the gourmeds are 2mg... they are scored so you can break them in half to one ml easily. My vet got them that way so I could break them in half, they were cheaper at that dosage. They could be hidden easily in a part of an apple or something if he didn't like them...Sam can't have apples because he is IR. They are about the size of a bute tab.
Your e-mail is not listed on your profile... mine is if you would like to try them. When I go out and check Sam I will look at the particulars of them..exp. date, dosage, ect.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 2:11 pm:
The exp. date is 8/10 on them they are peppermint flavored and the dose of one tab is 1.75 mg. They are all yours if you can use them I think I only used 3-4 out of the bottle.
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 2:33 pm:
Sorry the dosage per tab is 1.5ml.
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klowe
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 2:55 pm:
Hi Pam, I have had very good experience with apple-flavored capsules that I order from www.ThrivingPets.com, which I believe is in the Denver area. I just ordered 90 1-mg caps and it cost $55 + $5 shipping. Paint is not at all a picky eater, and I generally just put it in his morning bucket. When he is done eating, I check just to make sure that he ate it, and he almost always does.
If for some reason he didn't get it down (or if I forgot to put it in!) he will eat it out of my hand, with or without pellets. I am not sure of the purpose of the apple flavoring, since it's a capsule...maybe he can smell it anyhow?
He never did lose weight, but by this time last year he had four inches of curly hair on his butt, and was peeing small lakes everywhere. He now pees pretty normally, and no curly hair at all, in fact he's still shedding some!
Good luck with Storm.
Kathy
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Member:
erika
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 - 3:06 pm:
Actually, I believe Todd's and Thrivingpets are the same pharmacy.
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Member:
klowe
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Posted on Monday, Jan 11, 2010 - 12:49 pm:
Erika, you are correct about that. I have been very happy with the service there.
Kathy
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ptownevt
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 - 3:12 pm:
Diane, I just emailed you about your offer. I have some Previcox we could trade.
Kathy, $55 for 90 capsules is great. I just paid $70 for one month of the liquid. Do I just get a prescription from my vet or does my vet have to order?
Pam
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ptownevt
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 - 3:18 pm:
The problem with syringing it in is catching him.  He lives outside with run in sheds. Storm is an abuse/neglect rescue and has serious claustrophobia so a stall isn't a good option. He will go in and stay in, but he's constantly on edge and unhappy in a stall. Anyway, when I did syringe it in that once, you would have thought I had poisoned him. He made faces, gagged, stuck his tongue out. The whole 9 yards. I couldn't get near him for a few days. Even now he's very leary of my getting too close. He's sure I'm trying to kill him by poisoning.
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klowe
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 - 3:47 pm:
Pam, you can mail in a prescription or the vet can fax it in for you. Once they have you on file (you have to create an account) they will contact the vet if you need a refill. They pretty much had the lowest price I could find, they responded to inquiries promptly and I figured since Colorado is a neighboring state, all things being equal, delivery would be quick...which it is.
Kathy
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ptownevt
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Posted on Friday, Jan 22, 2010 - 9:54 pm:
Diane, I got the Gourmeds. Thank you so much. Storm seems okay with them, too. That's the best part. I just break them up into quarters and toss them in his grain. So far, so good. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Pam
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Jan 22, 2010 - 10:08 pm:
Your welcome, glad he is eating them.. if I recall they are fairly inexpensive (comparatively speaking!)if he keeps eating them you could look into the price.
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