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Member: ekaufman |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 1:18 pm: Hello,I wanted to share an interesting Pigeon Fever story, mostly as background for anyone else dealing with it. Brief history-- we had a big year for PF in Colorado last year, and I had 2 cases on my property (out of 23 horses in care). The second case was minor-- one small chest abscess that resolved fast with no complications. The first case was in a middle-aged broodmare who was nursing a very large colt. She blew multiple large abscesses in sequence-- chest, 4 on the ventral midline, and on her neck-- all of which required a lot of care, and resolved very slowly. We did not put her on antibiotics-- CSU recommended against it, and the mare seemed to be holding her own. I turned her out on pasture in September, and she seemed to recover through the winter. About 6 weeks ago I noticed she was losing condition rapidly. It's been a cold winter, and I increased her feed on the assumption that she was under-fed. A month ago she began to degenerate, dumping condition, acting depressed and showing signs of abdominal pain (not colic). I called the vet. By the time the vet arrived, my mare had developed odd ridges of hard swelling along her ribs, a layer of pitting edema under the skin around her entire mid-section, and a huge pad of ventral edema from her udder forward to her girth area. Her vitals were normal, though her respiration was elevated (presumably from pain). Her bloodwork was normal except for elevated fibrinogin and seg. neutrophils. She looked like this: Because of her history, we suspected a resurgence of Pigeon Fever. We submitted a PF titer to UC Davis, and called the vet who developed the test to determine whether the mare's case in the fall would skew the results. UC Davis told us a low titer (1:50 or so) would rule out a current case; a medium titer (1:100 or so) would be confusing, and a high titer (1:256 or higher) would confirm current infection. They processed the test lightening fast, and we got a titer of 1:2048. Apparently the mare has been incubating the bacteria all winter. We put her on SMZs and Rifampin, and placed her in a quarantine stall (her condition was declining rapidly, though she continued to maintain normal vitals and to eat well). After 2 weeks of increasing pain and depression, the weird ridges resolved into a familiar PF abscess form, like this: So we went ahead and lanced the abscess, draining just under 3 gallons of putrefaction, like this: The mare now looks significantly better, with much less pain and better mobility. Davis has recommended a minimum of one month on SMZs and Rifampin-- they suspect internal abscesses along with the one we have drained. I'm not certain why. We have her isolated and are bleaching EVERYTHING every time. It's a huge pain, especially the disposal of her stall waste. Prior to this, no one locally had seen a case that recurred so long after apparent recovery. Fortunately it has been a very cold winter, with no flies at all. No other horse has shown any sign of the illness since the one other case in August. Nasty! |
Member: leslie1 |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 3:24 pm: Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. |
Member: canter |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 4:16 pm: Poor mare!! I hope she continues to improve! |
Member: juliem |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 8:18 pm: Hi Elizabeth--have missed your posting! What an interesting case. Any ideas from the vets why this has hung on so long? |
Member: ajudson1 |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 9:24 pm: Ditto to what Leslie said! WOW! |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 9:25 pm: Thanks for the case history elk. Concerning the length of time to treat, I do believe longer than 30 days would be indicated and monitoring fibrinogen levels a good way to assess progress. However running fibrinogen levels requires care in the handling of the samples to get valid results.DrO |
Member: ekaufman |
Posted on Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 - 9:58 pm: Hello,DrO, would you mind elaborating on the proper handling of the blood samples? We re-checked a week into antibiotic treatment, and fibrinogen and seg. neutrophils had risen from their previous high levels. Julie, we don't really know. In hindsight, I wish I had put this mare on antibiotics last fall, but we had different guidance from CSU, and the mare did appear to be mending on her own. My vet believes that she was run down from nursing a very large colt (and she certainly did lose condition right before weaning), and that her run-down-ness allowed the PF to establish in an unusual way. The prognosis for the horse seems to vary depending on the personal experience of the vet answering the question. Davis is confident that we have a good shot at saving her; other local vets have seen a high mortality rate, especially when internal abscesses are suspected. This is a tough mare who won't die unless she has to, so I'm hoping for a full (if slow) recovery. She has additional areas of hard swelling on her left side that may indicate more abscesses brewing, and we really don't know whether she has any internally. - elk |
Member: kpaint |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 - 3:46 pm: Wow indeed. Good luck Elk. |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 - 6:42 pm: What a case! Thanks for sharing this very interesting group of photos.Good luck with the healing! |
Member: ekaufman |
Posted on Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 - 8:48 pm: Here is a photo from this morning, 48 hours after lancing that abscess.The large plaque of ventral edema has reduced significantly. The two suspicious areas of hard swelling over her ribs and along her flank are somewhat softer (though still suspiciously abscess-like, to me). The open abscess is draining well, and the mare is bright, hungry, and opinionated. Not dead yet! |
Member: lilo |
Posted on Friday, Mar 26, 2010 - 9:53 am: Bright, hungry and opinionated is a good sign, I think! Good luck, Lilo |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Friday, Mar 26, 2010 - 11:00 am: Poor baby...and poor you. She looks like she's doing pretty good all things considered. These old girls can be pretty tough. Hand in there. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Friday, Mar 26, 2010 - 8:09 pm: Refrigeration following sampling, rapid separation from the blood clot (for a serum fibrinogen reading), and rapid submission to the laboratory are often stated recommendations. Contact your particular laboratory and inquire what is required to get a accurate fibrinogen reading is your best step.DrO |
Member: ekaufman |
Posted on Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 - 8:44 pm: Hello,Thought I'd post a status on my mare. Her overall condition has improved a lot-- she's gaining weight and attitude, with normal vitals and significantly reduced pain. I would be surprised at this point to lose her in this illness. The lanced abscess continues to drain (we cultured it, but didn't grow anything, whether because of the sample or the antibiotics I don't know.). The other presumed external abscess has shrunk quite a bit, but remains palpable and somewhat painful under the skin. It shows no signs of rupturing, and doesn't seem a good candidate for lancing. Hopefully the abscesses will resolve in the near future-- we aren't certain whether to interfere with them. No new blood work, but we plan to check fibrinogen next week to see whether she continues to have active infection. Here is the mare: and the draining abscess: |
Member: ajudson1 |
Posted on Wednesday, Apr 14, 2010 - 9:04 pm: Glad to hear she's doing better. |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 - 12:30 pm: Hello elk,Thanks for the update. I would make the decision on lancing the smaller abscess based on either a US exam or sticking a needle in it to see if there is puss in there. If so, I would drain it. DrO |
Member: ekaufman |
Posted on Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 - 7:09 pm: I have good news on my mare. My vet came out yesterday to inspect her-- she feels the enlarged structure higher up is not an abscess. It appears to be a muscle (there is a matching smaller structure on the other side) that may have had trauma during this process somehow. She feels the other abscess has resolved, and that the remaining edema is likely due to confinement. We drew blood, and her results came back dead center of normal for everything, including fibrinogen.We decided to maintain her on SMZs for a while longer, but to discontinue the rifampin (it has been hard on the horse). The mare looks wonderful-- bright, alert, and cranky as heck. Hopefully this is the last of Pigeon Fever for this horse. |
Member: paul303 |
Posted on Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 - 12:25 am: Thanks so much for updating....especially with good news!! Your pictures were great! I showed them to others who were very appreciative.Again, thanks! |
Member: lilo |
Posted on Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 - 11:08 am: Bright, alert and cranky as heck! Love that description. Thanks for the update, Lilo |
Member: vickiann |
Posted on Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 - 2:52 pm: Good news! I hope that things continue to go well. |
Member: ekaufman |
Posted on Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 11:38 am: Hello all,In honor of Mother's Day, here's my apparently healthy mother of 9, back on pasture, enjoying one of our few (so far) lovely spring days. You are looking at her abscess side-- she looks to be healing well. |
Member: mrose |
Posted on Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 12:01 pm: She look great! I'm so glad she's healing. Any mother of nine deserves a good spring day! I hope you have one also. |
Member: lilo |
Posted on Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 2:26 pm: Good news! She looks wonderful, Lilo |
Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 6:29 pm: Thanks elk.DrO |
New Member: ngwintx |
Posted on Wednesday, Aug 15, 2012 - 3:26 am: wondering why you elected to not have this mare tested for an internal abdominal abscess? thanks |