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Discussion on Levi's white line 2010 edition
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quatro
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 1, 2010 - 7:48 pm:
Hi All, Levi and I have missed you. Been busy around here, and not inter-netting much.
Any how, what is it with Spring that seems to bring wall separation in Levi? I don't know if it is actually white line disease, or if they farrier gets sloppy, his toes seem a little long, or if the soil changes in the spring. But here we are again, with Levi having chalky white line.
I have been searching for alternative farrier/vet care to no avail. This last time, the farrier said Levi had some chalky white line, so he dug it out, filled it with keratox, blasted my horse with a hot torch to melt it in, unbeknownst to me and my horse, which as you can imagine scared the bejesus out of both of us! Of course the "hoof nazi" as we refer to him, just got annoyed with Levi.
I have to take him back on June 10th, as that was our regular appt. He has been sound and great all winter. He is sound now, but . . . .
I will have x-rays done then.
Meanwhile, I have been cleaning his feet, soaking in betadine and clorox solution, and just keeping my fingers crossed.
Just thought I would see if anyone had any other ideas.
I would love to just check in to chat happily some day 
suz
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vickiann
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 1, 2010 - 9:08 pm:
Oh my, suz.
I don't think that Koppertox is the right thing to use on white line disease.
Seems to me that I hear of Clean Trax or White Lightning being suggested as remedies but I seem to also recall from this site that it is supposed to be thoroughly dug out?
The only time any of my horses ever contracted this (and it was sawed out with a dremmel saw) my boy had been kept in kind of a mucky, wet pen when we were at a week-long clinic.
As to the separation, I have to wonder if weather changes with regard to wet and dry encourage this condition, but also if there is stress going on in that portion of the foot with regard to the break over, etc.? A foot being too long or out of balance is not helpful.
Good luck with this!
Nice to hear from you but sorry you are having this problem!
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gramsey1
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 1, 2010 - 10:08 pm:
I like VickiZ's suggestion. But, I would blow off the Hoof Nazi and find someone to work with you.
The Clorox solution can kill healthy tissue. The Clean Trax or White Lightening will not. If it is advanced you will need to resection the hoof.
Pictures?
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mariean
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 1, 2010 - 10:40 pm:
No help here, just sympathy. My horse has chronic separation, but every vet who has looked at him says its not "white line disease." I think part of the spring problem is that (at least in my horse's case) the hoofs start to grow faster, and if there is a delay in a trim, even by a week, the compromised white line stretches even more.
My best luck has been with a combination of Hoof Heal on the upper half, and Keratex on the sole, but I'm still looking for that magic bullet.
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quatro
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 1, 2010 - 11:28 pm:
Thanks everyone, as usual, the support is so helpful.
We have been dealing with this since 2007 or before. It does not seem to matter if it is wet, dry muddy whatever. It has been very dry, and hard around here, stalls are cleaned daily.
Guy, if you want to see a lovely re-section, check out my post from 2007, under Diseases of the Hoof, WLD, Levi's White line disease. Lots of gruesome pictures. This boy has been through it all.
I Will post a picture tomorrow of hoof angle, and what the sole looks like right now.
I would love to find someone that could help my horse and me, however, there is no one in the area, that I remotely trust not to send him even farther backwards. At least we have been sound for quite some time with the farrier I have now. I have to travel 2 hours to even get to this guy. Others in the area, can round off the feet, and rasp and shoe your basic horse, but no experience with special needs children.
I am use to this by now, just very frustrating.
Will post pics tomorrow.
suz
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scooter
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010 - 4:23 pm:
Are you sure it's the WLD recurring Susan, my horses soles and WL get "chalky" when exposed to wet conditions for awhile.
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quatro
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010 - 5:25 pm:
They have been out in the mud today, I tried to wrap his foot with a diaper/duct tape for a day or two. But today, I was too busy,and he was out in the mud.
Here is a picture of just the bottom of his foot. He is 5 weeks out from a trim and due to go in next thursday.
I am trying not to dig at it too much!
He had been having solid white line, although it has always been wide.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010 - 9:09 pm:
Hi Suz,
I don't remember the whole story behind the hoof/horse, but what I think is no one is addressing his bars, so the flares stay there, thus the "WLD"
At the toe, is his sole above the wall if you look at straight from the side when held up?
I may be wrong on the bars, hard to tell from the picture, but is the yellow I put here bars? Is that part like a big bump on each side?
I agree with the others, I'd quit all the soaks and all, they are not helping. I've never used Clean Trax, but it would be my choice if I needed to use something.
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gramsey1
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010 - 10:08 pm:
I don't see anything in the pictures that suggest a benefit from Clean Trax or White Lighting.
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2010 - 3:55 pm:
Susan what's up with the area I circled, is his hoof just that mishapen and long on just that side? Where I put the line is that where you think The WLD is? He's got kind of a crazy hoof like Hank, I THINK if you addressed the flares and the long walls that gap there would maybe fix itself...mind you not overnight, Hank used to have those gaps also, I think that's when the blob formed when he had them.
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2010 - 4:03 pm:
LOL forgot the pic
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quatro
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2010 - 6:49 pm:
Diane, I think that area is where I used my hoof knife to dig out the white line area, and removed soft old sole ( i think)
Here are a few more shots I just took. I am trying to do this on my own, so the angle is not perfect.
I think he is letting toe get too long?
my attempt at showing flat surface of bottom
front view, toe is chipped out, he stuffed it with keratox last time
He has always left a roll on his toe for a breakover as he still is a bit rotated.
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2010 - 7:26 pm:
HMMM always hard to tell from pics and these aren't very clear. BUT Levi's and Hanks hooves have very similar problems. It does appear he has quite a long toe, and a high heel, it also looks like you may be dealing with some false or built up sole. Hank had the crack in the toe also, had it for about 2 years in some shape or form...finally got rid of it MYSELF .
That's about all I can comment on, as always I know enough to be dangerous. I will say it looks like your farrier lacks skill, just like mine, all we can do is educate ourselves, I don't have any other resources either, and for the most part I am trying to do Hanks hooves myself, with the farrier touching him up when he comes, seems to be working so far anyway.
It will be alot harder for you to keep his recurring WLD under control until he has better hoof form.
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rtrotter
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 3, 2010 - 8:02 pm:
Since you guys are discussing WLD, I just thought I'd let you know about a product I got by mistake( I think) and get your take on if the premise behind it sounds reasonable.
My horses do not have WLD, but a few months ago I started using a product called Farriers Hoof Sealant, when they were barefoot, it worked pretty good, but because they are now in heavy training they are in shoes( not nailed on). Anyway I had ordered more of the Hoof Sealant and for some reason my order got lost or never processed, when I complained to Ebay, my money was refunded, so I thought that was the end of the matter. A few days later, I get a box on my porch with the Hoof Sealant and a bottle of something called Sav-a-Hoof. It wasn't what I ordered, but hey, I hardly ever return any horse stuff, I always eventually find a way to use it.
Well, apparently this stuff is for WLD, seedy toe, bacterial infections, thrush etc. On the top of the lid it says to brush on to the coronary band so it will soak into the tubules and also use on sole frog etc.
Honestly, this is the first time I've ever heard of treating WLD from the top, unless one is talking about Clean Trax or something similar, where the entire leg is treated and honestly, my first thought was no way. But, then I started to think about it and if whatever is in this stuff can penetrate the hoof from the top down and stop whatever process before it gets to be WLD or anything else, maybe its a good thing, and I shouldn't be so critical about it.
Anybody, ever use this stuff and does it do what it says it does? I'm curious.
Rachelle
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 5:59 am:
Rachelle, what is in the Sav-A-Hoof?
DrO
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ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 7:23 am:
Rachelle, DrO,
I just started the 2nd bottle of the Save-A-Hoof stuff, and I really like it. I had some frogs that I suspected were thrushy, and I didn't like how some flared areas were so "yucky" looking so I would thoroughly clean the hoof, and "Paint" the Sav-A-Hoof on. The part that is slightly hard it keeping the hoof on the stand til the stuff is dry; (3-5 minutes) I found that putting it on thinner helped.
I also put it around the coronet band; as the idea of it getting into the tubules makes sense to me.
It says in the add I am looking at that is repels mud & moisture while treating fungus. Has "natural carnauba emulsions" I can get a can and see if it has more ingredients listed.
https://sbsequine.com/sav-a-hoof-family/
Link to their website.
Suz,
I think Levi would benefit from the Sav-A-Hoof. There are a few different products but the protectant would be a good start IMHO.
Can you PLEASE refresh my memory? Did he founder? Or just lots of trouble with flares?
It's my understanding that with proper hoof FORM, flares disappear, and WL tighten up. Same as with thrush, if the frog is getting stimulation and the back of the foot, the thrush has a harder time getting a hold.
I still can't tell from the pictures, but it BAR material is along the collaterol grooves, they will keep pushing out flared hoof wall, and the toe will stay forward.
Gotta run; I'll offer more later.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 8:50 am:
There are some interesting articles on the above link:
https://sbsequine.com/articles/
The one on white line disease caught my attention.
Sav-A-Hoof ingredients:
methydyne-b, captek, isopropanaol, natural carnauba emulsions. No harmful petroleum products, acetone, or formaldehyde.
It says the carnaub emulsions are what repels mud, manure, snow.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 9:09 am:
The "five rules to avoid a hoof soaking disaster" article is helpful too I thought.
And I may purchase some of their Therapy Bands, $5.85 each horsehealthusa.com
Hope you see something helpful Susan.
Over & out, I read enough!
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stek
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 1:46 pm:
natural carnauba emulsions -- isn't that the stuff that's in car wax? So it seals the hoof by basically waxing it?
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ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 2:33 pm:
Hmmm...well, it's probably a "healthy wax" right?! Does car wax "breath" though?
Sigh, doncha just hate it with ingredient lists??
Seems like I googled the ingredients before I bought the stuff and didn't find anything...or maybe that was something else. Old age brain cells can't remember things.
DrO,
What are your thoughts on the ingredients? Helpful for Levi?
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stek
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 3:16 pm:
I do think carnauba wax is pretty non-toxic, it's also used in many cosmetic and food products to give them a shine. No idea about whether it would be a good thing or bad thing on horse hooves. I wonder if you couldn't use beeswax for the same purpose?
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quatro
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 4:12 pm:
Dr. O, I think you got tired of dealing with Levi and Me from long ago, but I am sure I know what needs done, just wish I had better resources around here.
I called all of the vets in a 60 mile radious, and they all sent me to the place I have been going, 2 hours away.
We have been doing so well, and then Spring comes and boom, his toes grow out, has separation, and who knows what we will find on Thursday.
He has been barefoot since last fall, and sound all winter, trimmed every 7 weeks, now it has been 5 weeks, and they look like crap!
I am hoping we are not too far gone, and we can get him in shoes for the summer. We are planning on going camping with the horses in the middle of the month.
I tried the save a hoof product, and one of the vets up there told me not to use it. Chastised me for not listening to him. It is tough not having a great horse vet around. Farrier's neither 
thanks everyone for ideas and support
suz and Levi
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 4:25 pm:
The sav-a-hoof spray did nothing for Hank either, however I was VERY impressed with the sav-a-hoof gel, we used it under his shoes and it really made a difference when the shoes came off in his WL.
I just started using it again once a week and it does help keep the "crumblies" away. It is a small tube but lasts forever...gooey too. I think I read somewhere it had different ingredients than the other sav-a-hoof products. It is a blue/purple color, I wonder if it has the Gentian (sp) blueing stuff in it. I was looking at my can of blu kote yesterday and it says if fights fungal and bacterial disease, was thinking about spraying hooves with that, why not??? other than the possibility of a spook with the spray sound, but we can deal with that..
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Jun 4, 2010 - 10:39 pm:
I see they make Blu-Kote with a dauber for medicating, Dr.O. do you think something like this would work on thrush in the white line or anywhere else on the hoof OR would it be too drying, it does seem to have a high percentage of alcohol in it, it would be an easy application with the dauber.
I used to use it on Hanks scratches and it worked well.
https://www.americanlivestock.com/pc-99-132-blu-kote.aspx
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paul303
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Posted on Sunday, Jun 6, 2010 - 12:21 am:
Sue: The toes look too long, and I don't see a good bevel. The feet look too flat and splayed. I would tend to want to shoe him with a rim pad and equithane until the hooves show improvement. At that point, you could try barefoot again an see if the feet can hold their shape.
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Jun 6, 2010 - 7:49 pm:
Susan why do you let his toes grow out in the spring? Long toes are a major cause of separation and cracking.
DrO
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quatro
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Posted on Sunday, Jun 6, 2010 - 8:22 pm:
I don't let them grow out. He is not even 6 weeks out since his last trim. The farrier stays on top of his trimming, and this last time, he said he had some crumbling in his toe, but I must assume that he did not trim him back far enough.
I have decided that we are doing x=rays, and if he is separated because of this guy letting his toes get too long again, He preaches about how wonderful he is, and you don't dare question the "hoof nazi" and the vets think he is god, and ask him his opinion, so short of learning how to trim myself, I am at a loss.
I am going to go back to my old farrier and just do what I can to stay on top of this. I might even print out everyone's opinion on here to show the man who knows it all!
suz
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jun 6, 2010 - 10:31 pm:
Suz maybe you should learn how to trim yourself, I have been keeping hanks in check with just weekly rasping, the farrier touches up when he comes and does the other ones. I gotta say I wish I had the motivation which is coming I think to do them all, Hanks are the only ones that aren't totally trashed because of this muddy weather we have had. Everyone elses are broke out and long...really bad and they were just trimmed 6 weeks ago. Rasping weekly is really quite easy and saves a lot of frustration, especially when you have a horse with "special hooves".
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Jun 7, 2010 - 7:34 am:
Susan you don't need radiographs to demonstrate separation, you rasp away the separation wall until the separation disappears. It is not that I grow tired of these discussions, as you suggest above, it is that I feel like I am repeating myself over and over to the point of nagging. I second DianE's recommendations.
DrO
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ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Jun 7, 2010 - 7:35 am:
Suz,
I would mix some Tea Tree Oil with water in a spray bottle, about 20 DrOps in the quart size sprayer. Spray the hoofs daily, and touch up the bevel weekly on those hoofs. I had forgotten I was using that this spring when hoofs & frogs looked poor.
To add to what Diane suggests, I have a mare right now that I am tweaking weekly, and it's BARS that keep popping up with a vengence, and touching up the bevel is always needed.
I've come to the conclusion since teaching myself to trim that most of our pasture puff balls cannot wear their hoofs enough to keep healthy hoof form based on a farrier coming every 5-6 weeks WITHOUT me at least touching up the bevel.
Might be better to print out some pages from a well known barefoot hoof website, like Ramey, Ovenick, or ...Weiss(?) (not enough coffee yet!)instead of advice from a bunch of saddle bags, lol!!
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ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Jun 7, 2010 - 10:08 am:
Oops, and of course the advice from DrO here on his hoof pages. Told ya I didn't have enough coffee yet! I am sorry!
To add to what DrO says above; keep after the flares.
DrO,
perhaps adding a paragraph or two(not sure what area... "The Four Point Trim" area? A NEW section completely?) on what the horse owner can do between trims to help keep hoofs in good form would be helpful? It really seems many have the same issues: Not seeing results from their own hoof trimmer, and not knowing what to do in between trims which would be helpful in keeping flares and bars in check. IMHO a hoof in transition from laminitis, flares, long toe, etc., needs to be kept "tweaked" more than most trimmers can do, and the horse owner needs to know how to do their own work.
I am still learning the above advice!
And of course most of us struggle with being able to afford all the horse expenses we have, so it's not practical to have a trimmer show up every couple of weeks, nor are there enough (good) trimmers out there to go around to keep that kind of schedule.
Been awhile since I read what's on the hoof pages from you DrO, so ignore this if that is already on there.
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vickiann
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Posted on Monday, Jun 7, 2010 - 10:50 am:
As I think back this is the time of year when my horse's hooves tend to go downhill.
Today I did some beveling and yesterday cleaned all feet and applied Thrush Buster to all of the frogs.
This site and the good advice found here is inspiring me to be more "hands on" myself with the horses' feet to perhaps prevent future problems.
Thanks all, and Dr. O, for the good and frequent inspiration in this regard.
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quatro
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 9, 2010 - 12:14 am:
I just got a "riders rasp" I am going to learn to use this on him if I keep him barefoot. We are going (Hopefully) on a trail riding camping trip in a week, and thinking I may have to put front shoes on, as it can be a bit rocky where we are going.
I do have some tea tree oil that i recall using in the past. Has a nasty smell as I recall.
I am having the x-rays done for 2 reasons, to check to see how his palmer angle is for shoeing, and also, so this farrier can see how long his toe is. He has been letting his heel long, because before we were trimming his heel, and adding a 3 or so degree wedge heeled aluminum shoe to correct his rotation. He really is, and has been moving very well lately.
I will have more to report after thursday. Should I try to keep him out of shoes? I worry about how the shoes affect his hoof wall quality. Right now, other than the toe chip, he has been pretty hard walled.
thanks for all the great tips
suz
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quatro
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 9, 2010 - 11:39 pm:
Wish me Luck! tomorrow is the day we face the Farrier, and see how Levi's feet are looking
suz
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zarr
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 10, 2010 - 10:11 am:
Susan, have been following this thread knowing how it feels.I too got a riders rasp for Whiskey. I'm not great but practice and a patient horse help! With our strange new weather here All my horses had widened white lines In other words we ate too much!! ! Plus my farrier went thru a divorce which is not good for anyone! Slowly with weight loss and rasp we are tightening white lines! I'm sooo believe in barefootin I hope it works out for Levi!
Prayers for good outlook today!
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quatro
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Posted on Friday, Jun 11, 2010 - 11:44 am:
Hopefully these will post. Here are pictures of Levis feet after the trim. Also the x-ray of the left foot from May 09 to June 10
Xrays
May 09
Any comments. I was planning on putting on shoes to go camping, but really prefer to keep him barefoot if possible. The farrier seems to think he will be better off barefoot as well.
Said he had more of a seedy toe, not wld.
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quatro
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Posted on Friday, Jun 11, 2010 - 12:01 pm:
X-ray file is too big. It is jpeg? I don't know how to make it smaller
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ajudson1
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Posted on Friday, Jun 11, 2010 - 2:23 pm:
I see bars that need work. The bar is making the hoof wall flare out, see arrow.
Is the "X" spot higher than the sole? That is a tricky spot to do correctly, and it looks like it may be higher. Need a good picture looking down from the toe.
An improvement for sure, but little things make a huge difference in how long the trim "holds" its form. And how comfortable the horse will be.
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vickiann
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Posted on Friday, Jun 11, 2010 - 6:25 pm:
I've been having prominent bars concerning me lately as my farrier tends not to touch them.
Amazingly, they are gradually breaking off all on their own.
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 - 7:39 am:
Suz, they do look better! keep after them with the riders rasp between farrier visits. I also remove any crumbly WL and put thrushbuster on it as necessary, seems to help quite a bit.
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quatro
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 - 11:26 am:
I am attaching this to a long thread, and hope the pics can be evaluated by someone. I really need to get advice to give to the new gal that has been trimming Levi. After the last 2 trims he has been lame for about a week. she swears she is not taking off any sole. He always has thin soles, so I am not sure what to tell her. I have a few different angles. He is not lame today, but she is coming on thursday, and I am now dreading it. She did great at first getting his angles correct with his still not perfect left foot.(he had rotation, white line disease, thin soles, you name it)
PLEASE HELP
Left front
right front
left solar
right solar
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 - 1:55 pm:
Hello Susan,
How much rotation was there in the last radiographs and what was the distance between the tip of the toe and the ground. Also, how often are you having your horse trimmed?
DrO
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ajudson1
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 - 1:56 pm:
When was he last trimmed? As always with most hooves, I see bars to fixed up, beveling needs doing big time, and heels lowered. If she does all the above correctly, he shouldn't be sore. The heel bar junction needs to be cleaned up, and then a bevel applied from the WL back so he lands heel first. He's uneven in the 3rd picture, and don't look like the back of frog is being used correctly.
The bevel should be applied from the WL all around, I don't think the toe needs backing but can't tell from the pictures for sure. NOTHING needs to be taken off from the sole, but bar material most likely needs to come off, hard to tell as the hoof isn't cleaned up the best. He will be walking on the sole and inner hoof wall when done correctly, and landing heel first, with the frog and bars making and taking impact.
I would suggest joining Hoofhelponline and posting those pictures on there; best barefoot hoof trimming source there is out there right now, IMO. Instead of asking non professional HA members advice (with DrO being the only professional on here I mean!) get help directly from those who specialize in this kind of situation. You want to know how to help your farrier do a better job, and what to do between trims since this horse needs more than a 4-6 week trim schedule. IMVSO, (In my very strong opinion, lol!)
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quatro
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 - 3:19 pm:
i will try to see if this uploads,this is the x-ray from may of this year. it is too large of a file,
It has been 6 weeks since last trim. He was so sore after 2 weeks, I did not dare do him sooner. I tried to load the pics of his side view, his toes do seem long. I will try again.
i wish i could let you see the x-ray, is there a way i can send it to you Dr.O?
I don't understand the question, how far is his toe from the ground?
He use to be done every 5 weeks, but I have a gal coming that is only here every 6 weeks. Otherwise we were on a 6 weeks schedule for a while.
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vickiann
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 - 7:38 pm:
If one listens to what my present VA farrier has to say, I think that he would back up the toe, without removing any sole.
Not saying that is correct though, since he has made 2 of my boys very sore with his toe backing.
Looking at the frog, I would daily clean and scrub with a brush and see if there is anything amiss there in the central sulcus.
I am more and more impressed with how thrush can creep in there without bad odor, yet cause problems.
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sass
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 9, 2011 - 10:00 pm:
Just a suggestion, but have you looked over his diet before this? I have a few horses that have weaker/poor souls, and tend to flare easy, the same horses would sun bleach in half the time the other horses would- i put them on ADM GROSTRONG® Minerals and in four months those same horses that used to get sore and have problems, totally stopped being sore-- and stopped getting mushy feet even in very wet conditions.. the ones with the really poor feet i put on MSM and the same mineral , it was like a different foot.. they are not expensive, and the farrier could not get over how much tougher the over foot and sole were.. might be worth a try..
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 12, 2011 - 12:04 pm:
Susan, I am not sure you are looking at this trimming frequency concept right and as a result setting up your farrier to fail with a every 6 week trimming. If your horse does not wear off old growth as fast as new growth is formed, your farrier MUST remove this difference to maintain optimum foot length. If this amount removed exceeds the amount of horn needed at ground level to be comfortable the horse goes lame. But to leave more hoof means the foot gets longer and longer and in time you have even a worse situation. You will need to reduce the trimming interval to that where the farrier only need remove enough hoof so that the horse remains comfortable. With your farriers current technique it sounds like this will be every 4 weeks. I do think the above foot in the last images has gotten a bit long creating flare.
We review MSM in it's own article and mineral supplementation (and diet in general) as it relates to hoof growth at HorseAdvice.com » Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Wall Cracks and Thin Sensitive Soles. In general supplementing minerals only helps when there are deficiencies in the diet. Note that such deficiencies usually cause wide spread health problems so in a otherwise healthy horse that is on a standard mineral supplement and not in a known area of wide spread mineral deficiency I would be slow to spend a lot of money on other supplements.
DrO
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quatro
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 12, 2011 - 11:59 pm:
Thanks Dr. O, I am taking him up to South Dakota to have him x-rayed on Tuesday. The farrier is going to meet us and consult with him.
I would love to have a more frequent farrier visit, but I am lucky to get someone here every 6 weeks, She comes from 2 hours away, the other farrier was from Nebraska, if you recall from past posts. I have very thin pickens for vets and farriers.
I think I need to learn to do an inbetween farrier visit rasping or something.
Will let you know what we find out.
Levi has been on a great biotin supplement, but the down side is that his feet grow like crazly then.
thanks
suz
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 16, 2011 - 3:28 pm:
We went to the vet yesterday. She said levi is doing well, considering his feet are problem feet. she advised that the farrier not take any sole whatsoever, as he was a bout .5 cm less than in may. His palmer angle had improved from May it was a 14 and is now a 10. I will try to upload the x-rays.
He is sound as can be today, she just brought back his toe on the left a bit, DrOpped down his heel a little, so far so good.
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 16, 2011 - 3:31 pm:
it won't let me upload, whats up?
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 16, 2011 - 3:35 pm:
left foot, ''
right foot
left foot again
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Posted on Thursday, Nov 17, 2011 - 10:58 pm:
whatcha think Dr. O?
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 - 7:13 pm:
Susan, was the foot trimmed between the 9th and the 16th? If not these radiographs do not change my previous opinion but I agree that the toe needs to be backed up some and rolled. Looking at the radiographs is a bit surprising as there appears to be plenty of solar horn for a normal trimming cycle but the horse is a better judge of that than me.
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 - 8:09 pm:
This was pre trimming. He was x-rayed on Tues, the 15th. The vet and farrier reviewed the x-ray and then she trimmed.
They did not take much off at all. He is still sound and happy today.
I just got an e-mail from the farrier that said she will be out of town from Dec. 15-Jan. 15th. He would be at 6 weeks on Dec 27th. I am going to try to get her to come down on the 13th of December before she leaves, to trim him.
thanks
suz
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