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Discussion on Blu Kote for thrush
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 6, 2010 - 2:32 pm:
Dr.O. Sam has thrush I'm sure due to his poor hooves, and he insists on standing on any pile of poop or pee he can find. I trimmed his hooves this morning and his thrush is back, unfortunately I am out of everything I use to treat thrush around here.
I decided to try the Blu-Kote after reading the ingredients I thought it actually sounded OK for it, after all it is for bacterial and fungus infections. I sprayed it in and it really does get in all the cracks and crevices very well. Was about as easy as anything I have used before. A can would last forever and at $5 the cheapest thing I could use.
Here are the ingredients, would it make sense to use this or is there too much alcohol in it?
$5
Sodium Propionate, Gentian Violet, Acriflavine, In A Special Base Of Water, Urea, Glycerine, Isopropyl Alcohol 47% By Volume.Fast drying antiseptic and fungicidal aerosol spray for surface wounds, abrasions and ringworm. Aerosol spray. Treats fungus infections, surface wounds, cuts, galls, chafes, abrasions, moist lesions, itchy fungus, eczema and sores. Clean and dry affected area. In case of serious burns or deep wounds, consult a veterinarian. Size: 5 OUNCE
I wasn't sure what acriflavine was so googled it..HMMM
acriflavine, dye obtained from coal tar, introduced as an antiseptic in 1912 by the German medical-research worker Paul Ehrlich and used extensively in World War I to kill the parasites that cause sleeping sickness. The hyDrOchloride and the less irritating base, neutral acriflavine, both are odourless, reddish-brown powders used in dilute aqueous solutions primarily as topical antiseptics or given orally as urinary antiseptics. Once used in the treatment of gonorrhea, acriflavine has been replaced by the antibiotics
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ajudson1
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 6, 2010 - 3:14 pm:
Not to answer for DrO here but if you got around to reading that Live Frog article it says the stuff with Chloride Dioxide is the best for diseased frogs; thus thrush. That would be the White Lightening, Clean Trax, and Oxine AH products.
When I am battling mucky conditions and run out of Clean Trax, I use tea tree oil mixed with water in a spray bottle.
My concern with the Blu Kote would be now what if you go back to another product and is it safe to mix the 2?
Just my 2 cents since I was just reading about diseased frogs lately!
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Nov 6, 2010 - 4:29 pm:
I usually use thrush buster or tomorrow, I didn't have either around so thought I'd give this a whirl. It certainly should be drying! Sam has very deep crevices in his CG's... VERY deep. It has been very dry here, but he stands in poop and pee on purpose it seems, and his hoof is much less than optimal. I'll see how it works, just wanted to make sure it was a "do no harm" and if I don't have to use thrushbuster$$$$ that would be great...even tho it works better than anything else I have tried....so far
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 7, 2010 - 11:18 am:
YIKES if Dr.O. says this is OK to use, it definitely is my new treatment of choice
One time I wish I would have taken before and after pics. I looked at Sam's hooves this morning and there is not a trace of thrush anywhere, his CG's even seemed to have filled in. I'm not kidding when I say the whole hoof pick would fit in there and then some, the black tarry stuff coming out of there was very gross. Thrushbuster and tomorrow was keeping it somewhat under control, but darn it is GONE.
Can take after pics if anyone is interested I may be able to find a before pic in my archives. The mare gets thrush also, going to try it on her today...nothing as nasty as Sam's tho!
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ajudson1
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 7, 2010 - 4:35 pm:
Interesting!
I think the thing here that needs to be considered if it was a thrush from fungus, then the gentian violet would work, but if the thrush is from bacteria, then it shouldn't...I am reading from www.holisticequine.com/new/hoofcare/articles/tb_thrush.shtml.
Now I am confused because I Thought thrush was always a fungus! Phew!
So if it works, don't harm good tissue, yippy! And if you got it early, then it hasn't affected the inner hoof any place all the better.
Ya, pics are always good! But o.k. if you don't get 'em.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 7, 2010 - 4:44 pm:
It is suppose to kill bacteria too.
BLU-KOTE® is a germicidal, fungicidal wound dressing and healing aid effective against both bacterial and fungal infections most common in skin lesions of domestic animals. Kills ringworm. Helps to dry up blisters and pox-like sores or lesions
I will take pics of his hoof when I feed. HMMM wonder how it would work on seedy toe
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 7, 2010 - 6:24 pm:
Though I have no experience with it DianeE I see no reason not to use it, these are very strong antimicrobials (bacteria and fungi). Both the acriflavine and methyl violet will persist. Just like with Thrushbuster watch for over drying.
I have always thought this product is far too tissue damaging for open wounds and too irritating for skin diseases even when the skin is unbroken.
DrO
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Nov 7, 2010 - 7:11 pm:
Thanks Dr.O. It definitely could be over drying if not careful. Sam's Collateral grooves haven't been this dry in quite sometime! I only sprayed it in his Cg's not on the frog. I really could get the whole hoof pick in there before spraying, tonight I tried and was met with "solid ground" and no gunk at all. I think I will continue to use this cautiously if it clears it up that fast I don't have to use much anyway. Think I'll give it a try on some of Hanks remaining seedy toe too.
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ajudson1
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Posted on Monday, Nov 8, 2010 - 6:49 am:
DrO,
You say the product is irritating and over drying; if that is the case would it be harmful to use on seedy toe? My gelding Cody seems to have a bit of that on his fronts, and it is slowly going away with consistent beveling/trimming, yet I always worry it it's up too far in the hoof wall. (the diseased part of the seedy toe)
Since the laminae is sensitive, I am wondering if we should spray something that could work it's way up there? Like putting something irritating under our fingernail that has been ripped back.
Diane,
If you see Hank become painful, that would be your first clue so I would be careful. If you think it helps without pain, please report back and I may give Cody's a shot of it.
I personally think the safest is just to use TTO a few DrOps mixed in water. Spray every time I clean the hoofs, and as I am trimming. I hate to do a quick fix that ends up causing more damage to live tissues. But that's just me being overly cautious!
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vickiann
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Posted on Monday, Nov 8, 2010 - 12:25 pm:
IMHO, the Blue Kote stuff works really great if applied at the appropriate stage of healing, such as when one is looking to dry something up because it is too moist, such as a boil type of infection that has been cleaned and treated with antibiotic ointment for a few days prior to using the Blue Kote (especially during very hot, humid weather).
If used prematurely in the healing process, the horse will often rub the sore open again if it gets dry too soon, causing itching.
With leg wounds that are not extremely bad or infected, often one application after cleaning and drying is all that is needed.
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Nov 8, 2010 - 12:45 pm:
Angie I believe that seedy toe starts in the insensitive lamanaie and if it keeps going will make it's way to the sensitive lamanaie, and then probably cause an abscess. Seedy toe is just focal areas of thrush.
I'll let you know how it goes.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 9, 2010 - 7:18 am:
I fell the need to reiterate: Blue Kote is far too toxic to put on open wounds. It kills healthy sensitive tissues resulting in delayed healing. A wound might be able to heal with it's use but there are much better choices as we outline in our article on wound care.
DrO
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scooter
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 9, 2010 - 8:07 am:
SOOO I'm not quite understanding Dr.O. are you saying it is too toxic to use on thrush??? I will say Sam's colatteral grooves are still clear of any thrush and filling in. I wouldn't "think" it is any more toxic than thrushbuster??
Thanks
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vickiann
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Posted on Tuesday, Nov 9, 2010 - 10:36 am:
Thanks, Dr. O.
Your use of the word "toxic" certainly gets my attention and I will refrain from using this on open wounds in the future.
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 10, 2010 - 7:29 am:
Diane read the article on thrush it explains when you should use a product like Thrushbuster and when you should not. Apply the same rules to the Blu Kote.
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