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Discussion on Rattley noise in Throat?????
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angelb
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Posted on Monday, May 9, 2011 - 8:41 am:
I was at a friends house who wanted me to check her horse out... the mare is breathing rather hard and you can hear noise in the throat, she said that she had some nasal discharge, but very little and her nostrils are flared and red... i have never heard a horse have a rattly throat, was wondering if anyone has experienced this and if so what may cause it?
I'm new to this forum and hope that I put this in the correct place and also I am sort of in a panic wondering what may be the cause, does heaves cause this??? When I first so her breathing I thought of heaves, but do heaves have a nasal discharge??? Even though it was very little. Can worms cause such a thing as she said that it has been about a year since she was wormed??? She has 4 other horses who appear fine???
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mrose
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Posted on Monday, May 9, 2011 - 10:51 am:
Hi Angel. Does her horse have a fever? Any other symptoms? Imo she needs to see a vet. Discharge and noise breathing can be pneumonia or strangles as well as other things.
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angelb
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 9:34 am:
We are having no luck at getting a vet, most of the vets in our area only deal with cats and dogs, guess they are scared of the large animals. The vet that we used to use charges very high just to get in the dooryard and I am sure that at the price of gas it has gone up even more.... So I do not know what she is going to do... she has been like this going on 3 weeks, I havn't seen her for 3 days going out to look at her in a bit.
She was given penicillin for 10 days... 35 cc morning and night the first couple of days there was very little nasal discharge then after that her nostrils more or less just remained wet but it was clear, and they seem reder then normal. She also came through the winter thinner then she normally does, she has always been a easy keeper...I am hoping that when I see her today that I see a great change for the better....
Can you use a human thermometer on a horse?
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 11:11 am:
A vet thermometer is better because they have a hole you tie a string through then either hold onto the string or tie it to the tail. Horses have been known to "inhale" the thermometer and the string makes it retrievable. The human thermometer will work aside from the concern about it disappearing. Is she safe for you to stand behind while you take her temp?
Has she had any blood work done? Can you trailer her to a clinic? Sounds to me like she needs blood work and a through going over.
What is her age? What is she getting for feed and how much? When were her teeth last checked? When was she last wormed? All of these things could play into her condition.
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angelb
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 12:59 pm:
I'm not sure if she would let me put a therometer in her... but I'm deffinately not going to try it with a human one as I don't want to "loose" it...
She is 18 years of age... she gets 3 flakes of hay morning and night plus she is on poulin grain.. 14% I believe 2 times a day ...
I wormed her this morning with DuraMectin... In 2009 we had sent a sample of her feces to horsemans laboratory and it returned her with a Negative stool sample, not saying that she dosen't have them now.. just I was amazed that she had a negative test.
We have no horse trailer and of course no one around us has any either...
She's had no blood work ...
When I was checking her over this morning she is still breathing hard but her nose is completely dry, no mucus, not even clear...Thought of heaves but why did it come on so sudden?? She had her feet done one day and 2 days later this.... Why didn't the penicillin seam to do anything...
I guess that it is not really looking good...
Thanks for your input though
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canter
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 4:20 pm:
Could this be choke? From what I know, heaves wouldn't come on this dramatically, but choke would.
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angelb
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 5:27 pm:
My older mare choked this winter and when it happened to her she had alot of nasal discharge... this mare dosen't seem to have any to speak of... but is that the case sometimes... there isn't any nasal discharge??? I'm not real familiar with choke as I only have been through it once Thank the LORD.
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 5:48 pm:
crap! I just spent 10 mins on a long post and the entire thing just disappeared! Aaaargh!
Anyway, you should get the mare's vital signs and they are important in figuring out what is wrong with her; respiration rate, heart rate and temperature. If you are unsure how, there is a spot on this site that will tell you what to do and what normal ranges are. I can't include a link in this post as I'm on an ipad and will loose everything again.
Also, listen to her lungs with a stethoscope. If you hear a rattle or crackling noise, she most likely has pneumonia of one type or another. Listen also to her neck and esophagus; if the rattle is there instead of her lungs, she could have something stuck. Is there a lump or bulge on her neck that you can see? If you don't have a stethoscope, press your ear to her lung area and listen.
If there is crackling or rattling and she has a fever, esp. if her respiration rate is up also, chances are very good it's pneumonia; although there are other things it could be and I'm not a vet, and am not seeing her in person. If she has bacterial pneumonia, it can be very hard to get rid of and needs potent drugs over at least 10 days, sometimes longer. Just penicillin often won't do the trick. With a viral pneumonia an antibiotic will only help prevent a secondary infection, which is important. You can only keep her as healthy as possible, prevent secondary infection, and hope she fights it off.
What is her general body condition? You said she had lost weight. Is she ribby all over? rib by with fat deposited along her neck, back or tail head area? When she eats is she quiding ( DrOpping clumps of partially chewed hay.) Does she seem to have difficulty swallowing, chewing? Is there a lump or indentation along her neck? What kind of hay is she eating? Alfalfa? Grass? oat? something else? Is she getting any supplements (vitamins, etc.) I am unfamiliar with the type of feed you mentioned.
Good thing you wormed her, imo. Older horses require worming much more often and on a regular basis with a rotational schedule. The fecal count means, I think, that she had no worms at that time, but she could have encysted larva. Read the HA article on worming and it will give you info on that.
Has she had her teeth checked recently? None of this solves the problem of her rattle, but since you mentioned loss of condition I thought I'd throw it in here. I'm no vet, but have had horses my entire life and have had to deal with a lot of different things, plus have read copious amounts (not retained it all though, sadly.) I hope the old girl does better soon.
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mrose
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 5:50 pm:
btw, you are one good friend to be taking this mare "under your wing" for your friend.
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New Member:
angelb
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Posted on Monday, Jun 6, 2011 - 4:57 pm:
This horse really puzzles me ... come to the conclusion that it must be heaves ... wormed her and no sign of worms...although I don't understand why she got heaves and does heaves come on sudden like her problem did...don't know...and may never know...
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angelb
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Posted on Monday, Jun 6, 2011 - 8:47 pm:
I had not seen her for a few weeks, went and checked her tonight and she has lost weight even though she is out on pasture... her urin seems 'snotty' like instead of water like... if u understand what I mean...Noticed that she had some nasal discharge... not much ...and also notice that if you look into her nostrils you can see what looks like little slits in the insides of her nostrils.....Wish she could get a vet...there not taking any new clients... and the orher vet is about $200 before he does anything, that is to just get him in the dooryard..
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mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 7, 2011 - 1:20 am:
With "stringy" thick urine, she has more going on than respiratory problems and really needs a vet. She should have urine cultures done and at the very least needs strong antibiotics. They should probably be antigen specific (if that's the right word.) geared to the specific pathogen causing the infection. She may have more than one thing going on, or have a serious systemic infection. She needs more help than what you are able to do IMHO.
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angelb
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Posted on Tuesday, Jun 7, 2011 - 6:14 am:
I was afraid of that.... thanks
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