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Discussion on Knee problem ? (video)
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marjabe
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 16, 2012 - 3:40 am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIlxJfNJDY
Look at 0.02 and 1.38 what do you think?
Our veterinarian is coming today to do local anaesthesia.
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paul303
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 16, 2012 - 9:22 pm:
I gather that this glitch is consistent? Would love to know more about the horse, if it happens under saddle and how long it's been going on.
Please let us know what happens with the vet.
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New Member:
marjabe
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Posted on Friday, Feb 17, 2012 - 2:52 am:
Vet is coming this afternoon. Horse is a 6 year old (lazy) qh gelding and was at stallrest for 2 months because of a tendon problem in one frontleg, we started him two weeks ago carefully and now he is showing us this. It happens also under saddle, he is taking a smaller step left hind when he is ridden. He has a lot of protest with his tail too.
He was not like this before his stallrest, but he always took a tiny smaller step behind left, now you see a big difference in his steps.
I come back when I know more this afternoon.
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 18, 2012 - 10:22 am:
Hello marjabe,
The distance and the darkness makes me a little uncertain but in both cases it seems the L hind leg has a momentary problem advancing during the beginning of the forward phase of the gait. The trot in one case and the canter in the other. It looks much like a mild intermittent upward fixation of the medial patellar ligament (stifle lock). This would also be consistent with the history you give. If this is what we are seeing he will likely exercise out of it. For more on this see HorseAdvice.com » Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Diseases of the Upper Rear Limb » Stifle Lameness » Stifle Lock: Upward Fixation of the Patella.
DrO
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New Member:
marjabe
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 19, 2012 - 8:44 am:
Vet is been with him and he was more worried about the right frontleg (again).
So he did the local anaesthesias in the frontleg and with the 3rd anaesthesia at the same hight as the tendon the flextest was negatif and the horse was not lame not in front and not behind.
He told us the lameness behind came because of the pain he feel in the frontleg, and now he needs another two months of stable rest....
Sorry for bad spelling.
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 22, 2012 - 3:49 pm:
Hello marjabe,
What does he see objectively to base this localization on? At least in the film you present I do not see a irregular head bob in the front just the two abrupt interruptions of the regular gait at the times you note above and feel that the reasoning I give above is a possibility. For much more on how to localize lameness see HorseAdvice.com » Diseases of Horses » Lameness » Localizing Lameness in the Horse. I would love to know what the vet's observations are.
DrO
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canderso
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 22, 2012 - 7:58 pm:
Dr O - checking my eye here. I have to admit I found it hard to not notice the right front - the horse did not seem to be moving correctly at all.. is the horse offset at the knee, maybe? (and tied in?)
It is hard to tell from the distance...
But if I am not imagining things, could this be part of the issue?
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 25, 2012 - 6:44 pm:
Cheryl, I think if you will look carefully the irregular gait up front (a head bob that occurs between the placement of the left and right fore and both following steps shortened) at the near exact times she notes above are associated with a pretty severe stumbling on the L rear behind. I concede from the two examples presented there is little to draw from and could the front be causing the back is possible but the problems behind seem much worse and more likely to be the primary problem.
As to offset knees or tied in knees you must have a much better eye and even if so many sound horses have such conformation.
DrO
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canderso
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 25, 2012 - 10:31 pm:
Thanks for your response, Dr. O. I looked again and I did see the same chain of effect at the stumbling behind.
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New Member:
marjabe
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 26, 2012 - 3:53 am:
Update: the farrier was at our place friday and found in the RIGHT hindfoot a big ulcer (!!) and after he removed it the horse moved way better...
(we've longed him this morning shortly)
I try to make a new video today.
But what to do now, because the vet advised two months of stablerest... it is a bit of a dilemma.
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canter
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Posted on Sunday, Feb 26, 2012 - 11:54 am:
Not sure what you mean by an ulcer in the foot...an abcess perhaps? Or was it something else? A "drained" abcess will often give a horse immediate relief, but I don't see the need for 2 months of stall rest with an abcess unless it had eaten in to some internal structure. Can you give us more info marjabe? What exactly did the vet do and exactly where on the RH?
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 29, 2012 - 9:03 pm:
Hello marjabe,
Since a ulcer is a hole in normal cornified tissue, how do you remove it? The above video does not show a weight bearing lameness as you would expect from a abscess or ulcer in the bottom of the foot but that is the limitations of this medium. Maybe what you are looking at now is not the same as what we see in the videos.
DrO
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paul303
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Posted on Thursday, Mar 1, 2012 - 12:51 am:
This is just an experience that I had...probably has nothing to do with your horse. I had a pony hunter that would exhibit the same lurchy miss-step. It didn't happen all the time, but enough to be concerned about, especially in the show ring. Your QH seems to have a slightly lazy hind leg action. It looks like he almost shuffles at the slow trot, kicking up dirt with his feet with every step. My pony had the same lazy action in his hind feet. His problem was long pasterns and weak hind suspensory ligaments. I don't think your horse has that problem, but he might get some aid from rolling his toes on his back feet.
My farrier pointed out to me how my pony was just about "trimming his own toes" in the back. The farrier suggested gradually taking the toes back to ease his breakover. It worked. Although it might not help your horse, I've never seen a case where easing the breakover hurt a horse. I also have a 32 yr old QH with a stifle problem on which I keep the rear toes rolled.
I have no idea what your horse's problem is, but easing his breakover in the rear might help a little...and it might help to alleviate the shuffling in the rear and possibly help him to step up under himself more with his back feet.
Good luck to you....
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marjabe
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Posted on Monday, Mar 5, 2012 - 4:39 am:
Sorry for the delay..
@Fran C: yes offcourse I mean an ulcer  could not find the right word and used google translater... The vet advised 2 months stallrest because of the problem the horse has in the frontleg, he has had already stallrest for 2 months, and when we started him again he was not correct behind...
It is not our horse but the horse of one of our boarders, we have bred the horse.
@ DrO: I advised them to ask for a second opinion with another veterinair, because we do not come any further.
Also after cutting out the ulcer in the hind foot the horse moved a bit better but not for long.
The farrier cut out the ulcer, he was cutting the hind foot and at once there was a lot of moisture coming out that is how he found out it was an ulcer/abcess..
@Lee: thank you for your reply, this is indeed a very lazy horse that kicks up dirt with his hind feet, I will ask the farrier about taking the toes back and what he thinks.
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