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npo33901

Posted on Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 - 3:27 am:

Is ulcer on the tongue of the 12 year old horse indication that he has a stomach ulcer ? The ulcer is 2 cm in diameter. The horse his kept in an open stable , fervent access to pasture, at night hay nets are provided.
Is there any treatment for the tongue ulcer ? The horse is eating well, grain and hay, no problem . I do vet the hay to soften it .
Any suggestions ? Thank you,
AnnaMarie.
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Saturday, Nov 22, 2014 - 4:27 pm:

Hello Annie,
No an ulcer on the tongue is not indicative of a stomach ulcer. An ulcer is a lesion not a diagnosis. There are many causes of ulcers and in order to treat it properly you must determine then fix the cause. Then the ulcer can heal. Certainly trauma would be a common cause, could this be a biting problem?
DrO
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npo33901

Posted on Sunday, Nov 23, 2014 - 4:20 pm:

Thank you Dr.O.
The dentist visited about 6 months ago.It could be trauma from eating a thorny bush?Apthous ulcers show stress in people, is this the case in horses too.( In people tongue ulcer treated with Kenalog (triamcinolone in Orobase).Is this safe for horses too?
Lacking vitamins/minerals ...
I'll tell you when the ulcer disappears .
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Tuesday, Nov 25, 2014 - 8:14 pm:

It will depend on the cause Anna. A infectious cause may be exacerbated by steroid use.
DrO
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npo33901

Posted on Tuesday, Feb 3, 2015 - 9:39 am:

Dr. O , the tongue heal perfectly . I do wet all hay since. He's been on pasture a lot, grazing. Excuse my late update.
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DrO

Posted on Saturday, Feb 7, 2015 - 8:19 am:

Thanks you.
DrO
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npo33901

Posted on Tuesday, Jul 21, 2015 - 5:17 pm:

Bad news , Dr. O...
The same horse (Trubador), another ulcer developed on the other side of his tongue , his right outside . I left it thinking it will clear itself out . It got much bigger, 2.5 cm diameter. After few months I called the same vet (seen the first ulcer) to come to look at it. Two vets came and did not like it , took a sample for biopsy . Result,
Glossite granulomatosa eosinofilica .
Not known here in Portugal . In England only few horses have it.
The horse is suffering on and off diarrhoea, is lethargic , swollen muzzle full of small ulcers/sores.
Now awaiting what treatment will be given .

Is it a known illness in the US ?
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 - 3:57 pm:

Hello Anna,
Could you post the actual biopsy results in English?
DrO
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Monday, Aug 17, 2015 - 4:46 pm:

Dr. O, sorry for the delay...translation is not easy...
Fragment of tongue tissue with hyper plastic epithelium and deep erosions. A zone of intact epithelium is covered wit cornfield epithelium showing parakeratosis. The lamina propr is thickened with a layer rich in areas of infiltrations of eosinophilics .Many granulomas with necrotic centres containing fragmented eosinophils surrounded by macrophages.
This pathology is a result of hypersensitivity and belongs to the group of eusinophilias . This is a multisysteic epithelial eosinophilic disease (MEED) as cuteness lesions are present on the body and includes symptoms of involvement of the gastro-digestive system ( watery diarrhoea ).
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 - 6:40 pm:

Hello Anna,
Hypersensitivity reactions can occur anywhere and I suspect this is a type of autoimmune reaction though I cannot rule out allergic diseases. These are are typically treated with steroids and a trial and error management with alternative feedstuffs. Are you treating this and with what?
DrO
Member:
npo33901

Posted on Friday, Dec 18, 2015 - 5:02 pm:

Hello Dr. O. sorry about this enormous delay answering and keeping you informed...My computer was sick, I never got your last post and any other news from HA.
Trubi has been given antibiotics, started to colic so we stopped. I am feeding him Pavo Natures best and Gluten free food. Adding salt, garlic powder , turmeric , fresh yeast, on and off sea weed .
He got better , the ulcer moved from his right side to the middle of the tongue. It was smaller . He looked and felt better for several months. But again it started to get bigger....he is also more lethargic . It seems my feeding program is not working .
I shall keep you updated . Hopefully HA will change my email address !!
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Dec 24, 2015 - 9:45 am:

Thanks Anna,
I cannot think of anything to add to my previous posts. Concerning your email you can adjust it in your profile.
DrO
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