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Discussion on Yearling way hip high and stiff gaited in hindquarters
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New Member:
skutley
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Posted on Friday, Oct 30, 2015 - 10:50 am:
I just got a red dun 3 weeks ago he is now 18 months old, way hip high. Seems tender or sore footed. Very quiet and moves stiff in the rear, doesn't really want to move around much more then a walk. He was only taught to lead when I got him. Now he leads, backs up and picks up his feet. He just got trimmed by my farrier. Why does not seem to move stiff in the rear and not really have the flexibility in the rear legs when moving? Is it because he is hip high? Here’s a picture not the best.
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Oct 31, 2015 - 10:13 am:
Welcome Laurie,
You photo is a bit misleading if you just look at the topline. If you look at the feet the fronts are lower than the back: he is standing on sloping ground. Can we have a photo on level ground. As to why he is lame that will require a examination but is not do to any conformational problems in the photo.
DrO
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New Member:
skutley
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 9:45 am:
I also got his vitamin/mineral blood panel results. I am really concerned by the results. 2 weeks ago when my vet looked him over for conjunctivitis and his movement. We put him on 7500 of Tocopherol Vitamin E, a good quality NW supplement and a week ago I added Alfalfa to his timothy hay and wormed him. He is always hungry and has very little motivation to move much. Below are his blood results.
Results
Equine Reference Range
Selenium(ug/g) 0.15
Calcium(ug/g) 103
Copper(ug/g) 1.0
Iron(ug/g) 1.2
Magnesium(ug/g) 15
Phosphorus(ug/g) 42.8
Zinc(ug/g) 0.82
Vitamin E(ug/ml) 1.6
We feed top quality Timothy hay and I've added 1 flake of Alfalfa to it
He get some pasture, it's green but real short this time of year.
He gets Northwest Supplement
and the 7500 of Vita Flex E-5000
The blood was drawn two weeks ago and I started that say day, so he has been getting all this for 2 weeks.
I mentioned he is stiff in the hindquarters and not real coordinated, moves around like a bull in a china closet most of the time. He ha not had neurological testing done.Thoughts?
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moxshi
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 10:18 am:
What comes to mind:
EPM
West Nile
Back injury?
What is is breeding? (not that it matters in particular, but I have a red dun whose sire was EPSSM positive, and all his "kids" have the disease, as well.) My red dun was a bucker (he's a pasture ornament) and drags both hinds. His hocks are very "rough" . . .
Glad you are aware and looking for solutions.
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New Member:
skutley
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 11:31 am:
I prefer not to say his breeding he's from Eastern Washington
I doubt EPM or West Nile. My vet will be out on the 11th I will have his American quarter horse association Genetic panel results back. My concern is NAD/EDM ? Or could getting everything boosted back up where it belongs change him for the better?
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moxshi
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 12:30 pm:
Ah, yes, Laurie, I can see why you'd think it was NAD/EDM after reading about it. Did you do a search of this site to read about it, too? I just read about it here, as well: {https://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/END/home.html,https://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/EN D/home.html} There is a chart and a video in that link, too.
I hope that you can get a diagnosis ASAP and that there is treatment available that can help. So sorry that you are having to watch him in his incoordination and "depression." Did he seem exceptionally subdued before you purchased him? Did you have a prepurchase exam? Am wondering how long he has exhibited the symptoms.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 1:19 pm:
Hello Laurie,
I still think you need an exam that better describes the changes in gait behind would include a neuro exam. The next step is to develop a set of possible rule outs and how to test for each rule out. What were the normals for your lab on the tests results you post above.
DrO
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New Member:
skutley
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 2:14 pm:
Dr O. the results with normal ranges:
Results Equine Reference Range
Selenium(ug/g) 0.15 (0.12 - 0.3)
Calcium(ug/g) 103 (106 - 130*)
Copper(ug/g) 1.0 (0.85 - 2)
Iron(ug/g) 1.20 (0.7 - 2)
Magnesium(ug/g) 15 (15 - 26)
Phosphorus(ug/g) 42.8 (22-49)
Zinc(ug/g) 0.82 (0.8 - 1.7)
Vitamin E(ug/ml) 1.6 (2 - 10*)
I am awaiting the results from the genetic quarter Horse 5 panel test.
I am able to pick up his feet now so doing a neurological test would be made easier.
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New Member:
skutley
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Posted on Monday, Nov 2, 2015 - 2:32 pm:
I have been in contact with Carrie Finno at UCD. I currently have a horse with Ataxia 2, but we are treating his phytobzoar and ulcers first. He has a special diet he is on and meds. All tests for him are negative so far and I added him to Carrie's study because he comes from a cutting line. That's why I know as much as I do and maybe I'm just being over concerned.
Cooper had a PPE, not a neurological exam; he only knew how to lead so trying to do very much was difficult at that time. The vet in Easter WA said he was a quiet yearling, but passed him on everything. He was quiet when I meet him, very friendly and he seemed to be willing to learn and respond. He was on a very hard rock paddock. I should have spent more time with him, but I liked him so much and being a very reputable breeder and having a PPE I thought I was fine. He has been with us for 4 weeks so I've given him the benefit of the doubt. He came from flat ground, raised his whole life in a huge pasture and only been brought in to sell just before I saw him. The breeder gives them free choice vitamin/mineral blocks by Purina. He has good weight as you can tell. I've only had one yearling previous and he was handled a lot before I got him so I can't compare him to Cooper.
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Nov 4, 2015 - 4:32 am:
Hello Laurie,
Hopefully the change in diet will address the Ca and Vit E levels but they still are not clearly implicated as a cause of your symptoms.
DrO
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