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Discussion on Toeing out from a different angle
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New Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Wednesday, Jan 25, 2006 - 8:44 pm:
I also have a young prospect that toes out but from different points on the body than in earlier discussions. He is a 3 year old TB that right now stands 16h. That vet said he has alot of maturing and growing to do and seems to be a late bloomer. My concern is his toeing out in the front. The vet said he toes out at the carpus on one side and from the shoulder on the other. She said he'll need corrective shoeing because he doesn't break over the toe. She vetted him and said he is sound but that his confirmation fault may or may not eventually become a problem. I would like to start schooloing him in the late summer as a dressage/low level eventer but i'm concerned about avoiding preventable injuries and lameness. I'm wondering what can i do to help prevent to much muscle/joint strain caused by this fault. And could it cause other problems like back soreness, etc. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Here are the photos Dr O suggested I attach.
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New Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Wednesday, Jan 25, 2006 - 9:27 pm:
Sorry about the photos - they're too large and I can't seem to decrease their size. I'll try emailing them to Dr O.
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 26, 2006 - 7:57 am:
Lisa, while we are still editing and posting movie formats for members the still images we are depending on you because of time constraints placed on us. There are free programs that allow you to adjust the file size and display size of your images and you will find downloads and instructions at Inspiration, Art, Entertainment members_only » Images. But bring your posts back to here and place them in this discussion.
DrO
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Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 26, 2006 - 4:56 pm:
Okay, I think this will do it.
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Jan 26, 2006 - 6:14 pm:
I guess when you joined you didn't know you were going to become a layout professional did you but excellent job, the photos are great. Yes your horse does toe out quite a bit but this is the natural conformation of this horse as the cannons point in the same direction. We see horses like this all the time and they stay sound but I must say I do not like the appearance of the feet.
The obvious flare and possible medial-lateral imbalance and run under heels (a shot taken lower of the lateral aspect would help here) suggest there are better ways to trim these feet. You have not had him long so perhaps your farrier can get to work on this making small but definite changes. I am uncertain what your vet meant about break over but what I think she should be saying is that she wants to encourage and ease the natural break over point and yes some corrective work will need to be done to do this. For more on all this see Care for Horses » Hoof Care.
DrO
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Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Friday, Jan 27, 2006 - 7:24 am:
Thanks! It took some doing but they finally appeared! Yes, my next call is to my farrier who has a very good reputation when it comes to corrective work. I'm wondering if he should have shoes now or just be trimmed differently. His toes seems alittle short so I'm not sure much could be done. I will definitely get that photo done. I'm still wondering about possible injuries because of this fault.
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Lovemytb
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Posted on Friday, Jan 27, 2006 - 7:41 am:
Okay, I went to hoof care and read the articles and I just want to make sure I'm going to take the right photos. Am I getting a closer, lower view of the toe or of the side that is shorter? Thanks.
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Jan 27, 2006 - 8:34 am:
Lisa,
You want the horse standing square and the camera closer to the ground. Best is at the level of the structure you are evaluating. Also we need to be a bit closer to the horse for evaluating the feet. For evaluating the feet you need a close up of the the hoof from in front and the side, and also a shot that includes the hoof up to mid-cannon.
DrO
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Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 - 8:26 pm:
Here are the new pics, DrO.
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Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 28, 2006 - 8:29 pm:
Oops, forgot one.
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 - 10:26 am:
Heels are definitely low and a bit run under but the medial lateral balance is still uncertain. Getting the flare out and then backing up (whether you call it squaring or rockering and rollling) the toe centered on the point of breakover just a bit more, is a stimulant for more upright heel growth. But if you can't get this corrected with trimming he may need to be shod with wedge pads.
DrO
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Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 - 2:13 pm:
Should he be shod now even though he's not being ridden or should we just see how the trimming brings them along?
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Jan 29, 2006 - 6:20 pm:
Without examining your horse I cannot make that decision. It depends on the amount of sole he has, is their enough sole present that after progress is towards correcting this problems for the horse to sound barefoot?
DrO
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Member:
Lovemytb
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Posted on Monday, Jan 30, 2006 - 8:30 am:
Thanks, I'll talk that over with my farrier when he comes. Should I limit my training activities for now, though? At this point I only lunge him for 10-15 minutes and mostly at the walk-trot with canter departures. But as he progresses I would like to add some variety with free jumping. Should I wait on that?
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 - 8:40 am:
Wait for the jumping but otherwise the exercise is good for the feet.
DrO
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