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Discussion on Stifle injury/Best course of action
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 8, 2006 - 12:34 pm:
I have a 22 month old Friesian that I have owned only a few months. She passed her vet check when I bought her.
She is out with two other older mares. Last weekend, I came out and she had a bush stuck in her tail. When I untangled it, it looked like she was walking gingerly in the hind area, but subtle enough that I couldn't really tell where the issue was, and there was no dramatic lameness. You could have talked me out of any lameness, and told me it was my imagination.
Next day, my husband tells me that she is on three legs at feeding time.
3rd day the vet comes out. He thinks that the lameness is coming from the stifle area. There is a small amount of swelling in that area compared to the other joint. He says that it could be OCD, but feels that she is a little old for this. She was imported from Holland, has been in the states for about a year. The breeders that imported her were feeding grass hay with some supplements. She's been on grass hay with me, with just a coffee can of equine junior or the equivalent. Her weight is good. Not overweight and not underweight. If anything, I thought we needed to probably be feeding her more supplements, but I'm a believer in not trying to push the growth.
He tells me to keep her quiet, which could mean stall rest, but with a young horse, sometimes it is better for her to be walking around in the pasture, then jumping up and down in a pipe corral. I opt for the pasture. (I had another young horse with a hairline fracture years ago, that would stand in the middle of her pen bucking for 20 minutes, so I know that stall rest isn't always "rest".)
She had been penned up for 3 days, so we fed her outside in the pasture (so she wouldn't run around), and it looked like she was going to be quiet, and not tool around the pasture. The other mares are older and don't race around. In fact, one is foundered, and it has been raining, so she likes to hang out in the straw. This kind of forces the younger horse to stay close and less active. Also, it has been raining and raining and raining in California, so the horses have been hanging out under their shelter and not really moving.
She seemed to be improving, putting more weight on that leg, and moving less carefully. The lameness consists of pointing with the left hind, with the weight resting on the toe of the hoof, and a reluctance to move forward. You can see the pain in lifting the leg up and setting it down. I have seen upward fixation of the patella, and it does not look like this, where the leg looks frozen and the toe is kind of dragged along.
This morning, all is not well. She is pointing again, and very lame. She is very muddy and wet on one side, so I don't know if she was laying down and got stuck, or since it rained all night, that they were screwing around under the overhang. Or????
This is a very nice little filly. While my only plan is trail riding, I really would like her to have the best shot at living a sound existence on the planet.
If you were I, what do you think I should do:
Have her x-rayed so we can see exactly what is going on? I live an hour from UC Davis, and have a lot of competent veterinary options
Would anti-inflammatories help the healing process, or make it easier for her to exercise an injured leg?
Heat or cold?
Other recommendations?
What I don't want to do, is assume that this is going to blow over, and then have the vets tell me "if only we had done XYZ when it happened...."
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Oakfarm
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 8, 2006 - 1:03 pm:
Well, I think the first thing to do is to rule out 'the usual suspects' --ie, an abscess in the foot or bruise in foot..
so hoof testers, preferably used by farrier or someone really strong and knowledgeable..
and fingers crossed that the problem turns out to be something simple like this..
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 8, 2006 - 1:10 pm:
Remember, my vet came out. He was already suspect of an abcess, but she does not have any pain in the hoof. There was swelling in the stifle.
We are also on day 6 now.
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Mrose
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 8, 2006 - 6:45 pm:
Have you talked with your vet since he was out and given him an update? If not, I would. She's been almost a week without getting better. Your vet could likely tell if it was soft tissue injury or bruising. If your vet doesn't suggest bringing her in and doesn't have any other suggestions, I'd get her looked at by a "leg man." 'As you said, you've got some great options in your area.
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Poncho
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 8, 2006 - 7:46 pm:
I have a 11yo QH that has on and off stifle problems. The vet recommended bute for 2 weeks, and stall rest for one week. The other thing she recommended was hand walking, this way it gives the horse exercise in a controlled setting. Secondly, slight inclines (hills) are really good for building up the muscles in the stifle area and making those ligaments more suble. From what I understand, once you can build up those muscles in the stifle area and making the ligaments more suble the less chance they will have of locking up. My gelding was tip toeing on each hind. But now that he is worked on hills, and walking over poles on the ground his stifle problem seems to be alot better.You have to be patient lots of hand walking and hills and poles on a regular basis. From what I have read on stifle problems, a horse with a stifle problem does not have the luxury of having too many days off in a row. So my guy gets 2 days off a week, and not consecutive. He is doing great! Good Luck.
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 8, 2006 - 9:44 pm:
Well, new information. I have talked to UC Davis, and they said that they would still do a ring block around the foot to rule out an abscess which we have not done.
I went down and talked to Loomis Basin Vet Clinic, and they gave me some bute which they felt would be good to bring the inflammation down. I came home, and she looks worse than this morning. More three legged lame, with her actually holding the hoof off the ground while eating. If the toe would touch the ground, she would react, and lift it a little higher. So VERY lame. Before I gave the bute, I wanted to really take notice of everything regarding her condition so I could report back. I started feeling for heat. It feels like she has more heat in the lame leg above the heel, under the fetlock, and also high on the leg in the stifle area. However, I don't know how much of this is because the lame leg is not standing in the cold mud, and is also being swung around. However, it got me back to thinking about an abscess and infection. So it dawned on me that I hadn't taken her temperature. I did this. 102.7. I think high enough to be a true fever.
So would a stifle injury result in a fever, unless there is infection in the joint? Wouldn't it make more sense that this is an abscess and that the vet couldn't get her to react to with the hoof testers?
I have another call into Loomis Basin with this information.
I did give her two grams of bute, and she is a little brighter, but still very lame.
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Poncho
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 9, 2006 - 1:03 am:
In my horse his stifle injury did not cause a fever. There could be more then one thing that is going on with this filly. Yes, with a fever it always gets you thinking of an abcess or infection somewhere. I would definitely address the fever and cause right now, and not worry about the stifle problem. I would definitely call your vet and see what they suggest.
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 9, 2006 - 10:09 am:
I agree Laurie that 102.7 associated with severe lameness is likely to be infection but where? It is critical to rule out the stifle joint as the source of infection because every moment that goes past it becomes more likely permanent arthritis will set in. So lets have your vet do a thorough reexamination including necessary blocks and if still there is no firm diagnosis, make the trip to UCal.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 9, 2006 - 10:09 am:
The bute took the fever down and she looks better this morning. I was going to take her to UC Davis last night, but when she looked better I opted for daylight, so she is going down this AM. I will let you guys know what they come up with. One vet blew off the fever, and told me that it could be just because she was under stress, but this really does not fly with me. My vote would be infections somewhere. He still felt that I should go with bute for 3 days and see how she is after that. This does not feel like a good recommendation when you consider that she could have a nail in her foot that is infected.
Unfortunately, my vet is not available this weekend, so I can't pick his brain. He also knows that I will pay any vet bill. Sometimes you get vets that will talk you out of procedures or don't offer them because they are expensive, and most people don't want to go there, but I will.
Also, most of the stifle injuries don't sound like they are as severely lame as she is. She looked VERY uncomfortable last night, constantly trying to readjust her stance to get comfortable. If her toe touched the ground, she would lift it back up. I would think that the stifle injury after 6 days would not be this acutely painful. Also, I can't see any real heat or swelling in this joint, even though I could see some slight puffiness the day the vet was out.
Anyway, off to generate some bills at UC Davis.
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 9, 2006 - 10:45 pm:
O.K. Everyone gets to be right! The vets at Davis do see some swelling in the stifle. However, she also did demonstrate pain on the inside left hind hoof with the hoof testers. They did a ring block at the fetlock, and she goes pretty much 100% sound.
They took x-rays of the hoof and the stifle. No structural problems. No nails. No broken bones. Yea!!!!
I'm trying to remember an incident 2-3 weeks ago, when I was feeding the horses carrots, I do remember my other Friesian, who is a big mare, pop the filly, and I am remembering, that I couldn't quite see where she got her, but I remember thinking that I didn't like the general area, which was the stifle area. The more I relive this moment, I'm thinking that it could have been the left hind leg, and this could explain some of the puffiness on the surface of this joint.
Because the horse is limping, and there is puffiness in the joint, and the first vet was not getting reactions to the hoof tester, it makes sense that he would go to the stifle as a source of the lameness.
In fact before they did the nerve block, the UC Davis vet thought that it was the stifle as well. (I was the only one holding out for the abscess at this point, since she wouldn't even touch the ground with her hoof. If you think about it, if the joint was where the lameness was coming from, wouldn't you want it stabilized for pain, instead of swinging it around. When I soaked her foot, she didn't have any problem with me picking the foot up and putting it in a bucket. Wouldn't this hurt if I was pushing the joint up and down, but she really didn't react. Add the fever, and I was really hoping for an abscess.)
They have put a poultice on the foot to bring out an abscess. (They are keeping her overnight.) If they don't get anything, then they are thinking that it is a severe bruise. They are also going to take an ultrasound of the stifle joint to see if there is any soft tissue damage. I want them to check for OCD, but I'm really thinking that she might have been kicked in that stifle.
I'm VERY glad that I acted on this. If only for my peace of mind. We aren't totally out of the woods yet, but at least we have eliminated some of the uglier possibilities.
Thank you for everyone's input. I will let you know the ultrasound results.
Also, what really kicked me in the rear to get her to Davis right away, was this horrific web page re: hoof abscesses.
https://www.redwrench.com/mischorse/abscess/hoof.htm
You get a lot of complacency with abscesses, and really if there is a nail, or a fracture, you can have a pretty catastrophic result, so this concept of take some bute and call me in three days if it doesn't get better, just didn't seem the right course of action.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Apr 10, 2006 - 9:12 am:
Rather than such a terrible and unusual picture of an abscess you should read our article on abscesses, see Equine Diseases » Lameness » Diseases of the Hoof » Hoof Abscesses, Bruises, and Gravels. They are a common source of lameness and when properly treated, the horse returns to soundness rapidly.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Monday, Apr 10, 2006 - 9:26 am:
Thanks Dr. Oglesby. Yes, I read that, as well as a million other articles on foot abscesses. I tend to gravitate to the dark side, assuming that if there is some horrific possibility for an abscess then that will be my experience.
;-)
I have a lot invested in this mare (not the $$ but the emotion), so I would much rather pay the emergency fee, and be able to sleep, than think we are doing the wrong thing.
I love your site, and I have recommended it to many horse people as a great resource!!!
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 12:46 am:
Day 2 at Davis. She is still severely lame. They did another nerve block of the hoof to make sure that the lameness if coming from the hoof, and yes, they are 100% sure that the hoof is the source of the lameness.
The did an ultra sound of the stifle, and while they can see some evidence of some event very minor in the soft tissue, the stifle is no longer going to get any attention. No OCD.
It is the heel area that is the most sensitive. They have dug around in the foot and can't find anything. Assuming it is an abscess it may be headed for the coronary band.
They x-rayed the foot some more since they say that she is as lame as if she had a fractured bone. They can't find any evidence of a fracture. They said that it may take some time for a pedal fracture to show up in the x-rays, but since we are 7 days into this, they think that they should be able to see a fracture in the x-rays.
The hoof is in a poultice still trying to draw out an abscess.
They said that it takes an abscess 7 to 10 days to present itself. We are on day 7.
Tomorrow the plan is to further isolate the nerve block in the foot, to see if they can narrow the location a little closer. If this is nebulous, then they may also draw some fluid from the joint areas of the hoof to rule out infection in the joints, which of course, is my greatest fear.
My horse looks like crap. She is still running a low grade fever. She appears to be dehydrated, but they said she was eating, and as long as she was doing that, she was o.k. She has a very difficult time buckling her legs to even lie down. I worry about founder in the good leg.
They said that the anti-inflammatories won't do anything for her, but I question if it would at least make her a little more comfortable, and allow her to be a little more mobile, so she could lay down. Also, if there is an abscess would the anti-inflammatory encourage her to move around a little more, and would that help the movement of the abscess up and out? However, they want to not mask any symptoms at this point?
They are giving her no antibiotics. The reason for this is that they will prevent the abscess from growing and presenting itself, and just basically let it stay there inside the hoof.
So tomorrow is another day.
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Mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 1:13 am:
Laurie, I'm so sorry you and your horse are going through all this. Davis is a great place with very good vets, I'd be very surprised if they can't help your horse. I'm glad you took her there. Best wishes. (I hope it's as simple as an abcess.)
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 1:21 am:
Well, that's exactly what I thought last weekend. I just didn't want to screw around with it, and at least I know that we have been aggressively pursuing this, and there is very little that we will have left unturned. I am totally o.k. with spending a fortune, to only have an abscess pop, and to load her in the trailer and take her home.
If it turns out to be more dire, I know that we have walked down the correct road, and I wasn't guessing at home.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 7:56 am:
Does it hurt to gently flex the hoof Laurie? If not along with no evidence of traumatic puncture coffin joint infection is unlikely, try not to worry too much about this.
Has anybody pared out the area that was sensitive to hoof testers until they hit either abscess or blood? If the horse is near 3 legged lame with an acute lameness that worsened over a day or 2, the hoof is hot, and there is an area that is sensitive to hoof testers I get aggressive with a hoof knife and only very rarely disappointed. There is very little downside in opening a small hole in the sole as a way of diagnosing an abscess if cared for properly. See the article on abscesses for more on this.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 10:40 am:
I'm not sure that I understand "flex the hoof". At this point, after all of the nerve blocks they have done with her and the fact that her leg is heavily bandaged, it's dangerous to get near the leg and with the bandage, I can't do anything any more.
They told me that they did dig around in her hoof and have yet to find anything.
I think this is the reason that they want to localize the nerve blocks this morning to see if they can get a better pin point as to where the pain is coming from.
One thing that has been confusing to me is the progression of this. This is my theory: Runs around frantically with bush in tail, and bruises her foot. So Days 1 - 5, she is reacting to a bruise. However, the bruise begins to abscess, so the intense lameness starts on day 6. Does this seem plausible? If so, I really wonder how long the abscess has really been cooking? We may not be as far along as the vets think. My next fear is that if they attempt to tap the fluid in the joints that they will infect them when they are not infected. I'm also worried that without any anti-inflammatories, she isn't moving around as well, can't lay down (takes more coordination), and she is going to founder on the weight bearing hoof. ....I'm at the point of needing sedation 
Chronology of events:
Day 1 - She starts with a bush in her tail, and looking weird to me in the hind, but certainly not severely lame.
Day 2 & 3 - She is pointing and pretty lame. Husband soaks foot.
Day 4 - Husband soaks foot in am. My vet can't find any sensitivity in the hoof, and thinks it is in the stifle. I was there for the appointment, and she was mildly lame. Husband stops soaking foot.
Day 4 & 5 - She is not sound, but looks like she is improving.
Day 6 - 3 legged lame, will put some pressure on foot. By evening, she is running a fever and won't touch toe to ground. Bute improves her temperature and posture. A little more comfortable.
Day - 7 To Davis. She can load in the trailer, but still very lame.
Day - 8 Evening - Still running low grade temperature, non-weight bearing lameness.
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 3:13 pm:
Update from UC Davis. She looks better and is now weight bearing most of the time, however, still lame. They dug around more in the foot, and found an area that smelled really bad, but was not obviously draining. Based on this, they are not going to do any more nerve blocks or tapping the joint fluid for infection. They are going to wait it out and observe. If she continues to improve, I can take her home tomorrow. Yea!!!!
However, my biggest challenge will then be keeping her in a mud-free and clean area. I will take this problem any day of the week!!!!
I'm keeping all fingers and toes crossed that we are out of the woods!!!! 
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Hwood
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 3:21 pm:
Great news, Laurie.
I'm sure that you can plaster it with Icthammol and put it in a boot or some kind of covering, and keep it relatively clean . . . the sticky gunk wlll offer a good amount of protection.
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Mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 4:20 pm:
This is good news! I'm so glad. So good they found it; left untreated who knows what could have developed.
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006 - 5:45 pm:
Well, this is just an awesome filly. Not because I did spend some cash on her, but because she has the most fabulous disposition. I've only had her a few months, and she is so open to most everything. She loads in the trailer, is very sane, and very smart. I can just tell that she is going to be an awesome companion, and is supposed to be my last horse, because I figure I will be 70 when she is 20. I've been so pleased with her all the way around, and I just didn't want anything to go wrong here. 
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 - 7:12 am:
Seems plausible to me. Flex the hoof means to pick up the leg and while stabilizing the cannon with one hand grab the toe of the hoof with the other and flex it up as far as it will go. This puts stress on the coffin, pastern, and fetlock joints: lack of pain associated with this would be a pretty good indication of no infection in the coffin joint.
DrO
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Frances
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 - 7:29 am:
What a beautiful girl!! Fingers crossed that she can come home tomorrow.
Lynn
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Sunny66
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 - 10:39 am:
She is stunning, Laura! I too hope she comes home soon!
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 - 11:51 am:
Thanks Dr. O. and Thanks for the complements. We went and saw her last night. Different horse. Bearing weight now all of the time on her foot. Attacking us for carrots and treats. Perky, interested and wants to come home!!
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Mrose
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006 - 1:25 pm:
She's really lovely!
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 13, 2006 - 12:00 am:
Thank you!!!
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 13, 2006 - 7:45 am:
Super Laurie.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Friday, Apr 28, 2006 - 9:21 pm:
O.K. I'm back. This really should be over in the abscess area now. She came back from UC Davis. We had a tough time keeping it dry with the weather, but did a reasonable job considering. However, on about the 5th day of her return, and a day after we did not soak her foot, she was lame again. So we did an aggressive soaking of her foot with epsom salts, betadine twice a day, and then wrap with ichthammol in between. She was then no longer lame and we followed this regime for another 3 or 4 days. We went camping with her. She is not broken, so we just walked her on the trails and she hung out in a portable corral. She did fine and was not lame.
On Monday, she was turned out in our pasture, and by the end of the day she looked tender on the foot again. The crack where the abscess exited the foot had grown longer horizontally - 2 to three inches now. I believe the lameness is more from the crack then further infection.
So here's my question. What should we do with this? I'm back to wrapping it with a disinfectant cream. I don't think I want it sealed because I think it will just encourage another abscess. Any suggestions on getting this to heal properly?
Also, if I pen her up, she is really bad. She wants to be out in the pasture with the other horses, and all she does is pace and bounce up and down, and throws her chest against the fence.
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 - 9:32 am:
Hmmm, you believe but are you reasonably sure this is the problem, if not consider the vet? If you post a good picture of the crack maybe I could give specifics on the crack, but at the least consider returning to the therapy you were using when the horse came sound.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 - 11:10 am:
I knew you were going to say that. She is due for her inoculations so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone next week.
What makes me believe that it is the tear that is creating pain, is that when she was let out on Monday, it was a really nice sunny day, and the hoof really got a chance to dry out. Over the weekend, we were camping in higher elevation and the pen she was in was not muddy, but there was a lot of moisture in the air and still in the ground. With it dry and sunny on Monday, the dry hoof wasn't supple any more, and when she was running around, this seems to be when it grew horizontally and she was sore. When we wrap it, she feels better, the hoof is moist from dressings, and she moves better. When I say lame, it is not abscess lame, it is more slightly tender and protective. Here are some pictures. The first one is after we removed the dressing this morning. When it is moist, the crack lays down and doesn't look particularly bad. When it starts to dry out, then it will widen with portions more gaping. I was just thinking that maybe I could put something on the each end of the crack so that it would not tear any more. It is still very new and right on the edges of the coronet band. In the second picture the green is about where it was after she returned from UC Davis, the red is the size of it now. 
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 - 11:18 am:
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 - 1:08 pm:
Oh, and for what it is worth, she really is not lame now. She is completely weight bearing. I'm sure if I took her out and trotted her on pavement, I would be able to see something. I would say that she is just more "careful" with it. No pointing, still wants to run around, feels good, etc. I gooped it up and she is out in the pasture now grazing and looks fine. However, I know that this open area is begging for infection, and I don't know how bad it is going to get growing out.
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 - 9:22 am:
That is a nasty looking crack Laurie. The problem with such a crack is it traps dirt and water and that leads to infection. Is the crack sensitive to strong finger pressure Laurie? First press on the good foot so that the horse get use to it. I will typically pare out the distal undermined wall so there is not such a tendency to hold stuff. If it becomes dirty a good blast with a hose then packing with a antibacterial ointment should help.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 - 11:40 pm:
It's really hard to tell if she is really sensitive because she is so gun shy over the leg after her UC Davis experience. (They couldn't get a good nerve block and probably poked her with needles 50 times in total across two days. I mean I can just look like I'm going to do something to it, and she doesn't want to have anything to do with it. I just have her so that she will not flinch too bad if I just put goop on it, which is no pressure, just me running my finger over it with ointment.
I took her camping again this weekend. Now I know that this sounds insane, but I can actually control her activity better in this environment. Tight quarters and just me hand walking her. I kept icthammol on it all weekend, and she is sound on the foot. I couldn't see any lameness. Icthammol tends to stay put on the crack. The crack is pretty high up, so it stays reasonably clean.
I think I will have my vet out for her inoculations and see what he thinks in terms of long-term care.
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 2:46 pm:
My vet came out, and told me not to worry about the crack. Between the time that I took the pictures above and his visit, the crack had sealed up, tightened, so that it now looks like you took an exacto knife across the foot. No lameness.
I'm going to be interested in what it looks like as it grows out.
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:32 am:
Glad to hear it Laurie.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 - 10:37 pm:
I'm back!!! Well, all has been well. Not lame, just watching this crack grow out. Until we have discovered the pond in the 100 degree heat. So I'm seeing some loss of integrity. Still not lame, but concerned that I'm going to lose a chunk of the hoof here. Pictures coming.
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 - 10:37 pm:
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 - 10:38 pm:
What do you think?
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 - 7:01 am:
I think it will be gone in 7 months. In the mean time I would remove the rough edges and undermined portion of horn to prevent a piece being caught on something and avulsed off or trapping of dirt and moisture in the cleft.
DrO
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 - 10:30 pm:
I took the same picture over to my vet's office, and he said the same thing. He said that if I try to patch it, that I would need to dig a bigger hole, and that if the patch doesn't hold, then I will have a bigger hole to deal with. Again, he told me not to panic and leave it alone.
Thanks!
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Lsweeney
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Posted on Friday, Jun 30, 2006 - 12:20 am:
So tell me what you think of this activity (Rare black grazing hippos)?
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Dres
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Posted on Friday, Jun 30, 2006 - 1:00 am:
Your guys have found their own exercise pool.. I can't find the beach ball tho.. One of em standing on it..?
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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