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Discussion on Swollen navel
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Member:
Morg1
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 8:11 am:
Hi,
My mare just foaled last night, and I was witness to the birth and therefore was able to put iodine on the umbilical cord as soon as it broke. The navel area is swollen this morning and I noticed a little last night. I've been trying to get a hold of my vet, but he hasn't called me back yet. I want to know if this is really serious or not. She seems healthy and active with a good appetite. I'm posting a picture of what the navel looks like this morning. There is also no moisture on the stump.
Thanks,
Karen
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Hwood
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 9:11 am:
Looks like a small hernia, karen. I've never had a foal myself, but have been around a few newborns and have personally raised lots of sheep. If the foal is acting well, then I wouldn't think it is infection. I bet there is information here about "herniated navels," and I bet Sara W. and some other folks will have more info for you.
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Morg1
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 9:48 am:
That was what I was wondering about. She is still bouncing around, but now has some runny stool. My vet did call me back and since the mare has a lot of milk suggested not giving her grain for a couple of days and adding some grass hay to the alfalfa hay that I've been giving her.Here are a couple of pictures that I took of her last night.
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Hwood
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 10:18 am:
Adorable, Karen. Are the parents Paints? Pinto? Are those brown markings on her hind legs or is it pink skin showing under the white hair?
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Christel
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 10:38 am:
Beautiful foal Karen!!
I have had a couple of foals w/ hernia's and this does look similar.
But as a precaution I would have a vet palpate, just to make sure. One of my foals looked just like yours and I assumed it was a hernia, but during a routine repro visit on the mare had my vet palpate it. The swelling was not a hernia but an infection, foal was started on antibiotics first thing, vet said we could have lost her to this. Everything went well and was no big deal, better safe than sorry.
Chris
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Morg1
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 11:05 am:
Thanks we are happy with her too. I think the brown markings that you, Holly, are referring to is a mixture of blood and dirt. On her hindquarters below my husband's hand are faint brown markings. Both parents are paints. The sire is a bay tobiano, and the dam is a grulla tobiano. She looks like she's a red dun.
Chris,
I'm going to keep a close eye on the swelling, but I think that it is a little smaller and its not hot to the touch. If I don't see any improvement by tomorrow I will see if I can get my vet out. He didn't seem too excited about coming out today, but he does live an hour away.
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Redalert
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 11:27 am:
... agree with Chris on the swelling, Karen. If it does not go down significantly every day, and remain not hot to the touch, vet should come out immediately. I would have the vet check it anyway, just because babies go down so quickly when something goes wrong, AND , that baby is certainly worth a lot of attention! REALLY PRETTY!
Nancy
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Mrose
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 11:39 am:
Another one in agreement with the advice given - and with the comments on the foal.
I hate this time of year...it always makes me wish we'd bred some of our own mares!! All those cute foals out there. Thanks for sharing.
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Morg1
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 3:59 pm:
My vet recommended that I try to push the bulge up into the abdomen and if it will push up its a hernia. Well, I was able to push it up and I could feel a definite small hole about the size of my finger in her abdomen, so I guess its a hernia after all. Her diarrhea is also improving from what is was this morning. She is still bright and feisty, so I'm feeling better than I was this morning about her health. I will still keep a close watch on her and update you on her progress. I'll try to get a vet to look at her anyway. Like Nancy says I don't want to take any chances with this one. Thanks for all of your advice. Its so nice to have a place to turn to when the vet isn't readily available.
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Mrose
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 5:58 pm:
Glad it's not an infection! Good idea to have the vet check it anyway. Sometimes a surgical repair is necessary.
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Christel
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 6:21 pm:
Karen, my foal never showed signs of sickness, was another reason I assumed it was a hernia, also I watched for growth and it stayed same size, the foal had to be at least 21 days old (dams first repro check)when vet diagnosed the infection, seemed like a long time to me for it never to take hold and make the foal ill. The vet was very concerned when he did palpate and scared me half to death when he said, this foal could die.
I am a stickler on the navel dips soon after birth, and was quite surprized when it was an infection.
Not trying to scare you, I am sure your foal will be fine, especially since you are watching so carefully.
Have you named her yet? She is so pretty and Im like Sara, wishing I had a foal or two this year.
Chris
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 6:32 pm:
Great pictures Karen that should help others with similar problems. That you can reduce it to within the abdomen is diagnostic for a hernia. Complications would include increase chance of infection and a bowel segment becoming entrapped. The size however suggests that entrapment is not likely. Do have it looked at however.
DrO
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Morg1
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Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 10:47 pm:
I'm going to try to get a vet out tomorrow. I would just feel better having her looked at. I would hate to lose her from something that I could have prevented and would never forgive myself.
We are thinking about calling Dun with Illusion or Dun in Illusion (nicknaming her Liz), but haven't quit tossing names around. I'm open for suggestions if any one has some.
Again thanks for your advice and experiences.
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Mrose
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 9:39 am:
I vote for Dun with Illusions
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Morg1
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Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 6:54 pm:
The vet came out today and looked at the filly. She does have a hernia, and he recommended that we wait a couple of weeks to a month and see how she is then. He wants me to palpate it daily to make sure that everything is still ok, but he wasn't too worried about it. We can have it fixed when she is a little older. Possibly after she is weaned. Thanks for all of your advice. I liked Dun with Illusions better too, but I'm still open to new name possibilities.
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Morg1
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 8:38 am:
Here's a picture that I took of her last night.
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Christel
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:23 am:
Karen she's a pretty girl. I like Dun In Illusion myself. What is her breeding?
I am wondering, is she homozygous? Are those 'cat tracks' on her? Also, will she be registered as a dun tobiano? or a tovero?
Sorry for all the questions, am fairly new to the paints. So glad you now know it's a hernia. I know you must be enjoying her..... I am so jealous.
Chris
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Qh4me
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:36 am:
Very, very pretty Karen!
I vote for Dun In Illusion
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Redalert
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 12:14 pm:
Karen
I hope that this is not your first baby, cause you hit the JACKPOT. It just would not be fair for this to be your first one. ADORABLE, BEAUTIFUL, AND THE COLOR IS JUST PERFECT! I guess, I too, like Sara and Chris, I'm having baby withdrawal!
Nancy
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Dawson
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 6:08 pm:
Karen; what a beautiful foal, Some people get all the luck. Can I ask how tall her parents are?
If all that color gets tooo much, you can DrOp her off at my barn!!
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Morg1
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 8:59 pm:
Chris, I believe that she is homozygous for the tobiano pattern by the looks of her. I've only owned paints for a year, and I'm also a little unsure if she's a tovero or a tobiano. I'm thinking that she maybe a tovero. She also has one blue eye. Her sire is a homozygous tobiano son of MK's Black Pepper, and her dam is a daughter of Designatted Hitter. We are really enjoying her and she is very friendly and easy going.
Nancy, this is my 5th foal. I haven't always had this much luck. My 1st foal a Morgan came out with all four legs very crooked. We had surgery on the front legs and they are pretty straight, but couldn't do much for the back and are still quite noticably curved (she is now a four year old). My 2nd foal a Paint was deformed and had to be put down, so I haven't had the best of luck. I had two healthy and very cute Morgan foals born last year with excellent confirmation, and this one is very nice so it looks like things are on the up turn. I was wondering though when I saw the swelling. I was afraid it was an infection.
Dawson, her dam is 15.2 and sire is 15.1. I have her full sister from last year which I wasn't going to sell until I got this homozygous red dun. She is a gorgeous bay tobiano if anyone is interested.
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Redalert
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Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 9:41 pm:
Karen
So glad for your turn toward good luck. It sounds like you have really "paid your dues." I hope all remains happy and healthy for your beautiful foal! Congrats again on your beautiful baby!!! Enjoy,
Nancy
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Morg1
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 - 2:57 pm:
I just want to post an update. We are calling the filly Liz and her registered name will be Dun In Illusion. She is now a month old and it appears that her hernia has closed on it's own. Here is a picture of what she looks like now.
I also am reluctantly offering her for sale. We will be keeping her half brother as a stallion and really don't need to keep a half sister to him, but I won't be disappointed if she doesn't sell. She is just as beautiful and sweet on the inside as she is on the outside.
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Christel
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 - 5:54 pm:
Wow, she's nice Karen, better be ready to sell, someone will want her for sure.
Chris
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Redalert
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 29, 2006 - 6:40 pm:
Hey Karen
Looks like that baby is growing up nicely ... Now she is getting a beautiful body to go along with all that color. WOW! So glad the hernia closed on its own. She is obviously thriving!
Nancy
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Moderator:
DrO
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Posted on Friday, Jun 30, 2006 - 7:49 am:
Very nice Karen.
DrO
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Mzollars
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Posted on Friday, Jun 30, 2006 - 8:01 am:
She is absolutely beautiful!! Sorry to say that I am a QH fanatic, the more cow sense the better, and not familiar with this line, but I would love to know more about it! Very interested if you decide to sell.
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Morg1
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Posted on Friday, Jun 30, 2006 - 9:35 am:
Yes, Megan as much as I'd like to keep her she is for sale. You can e-mail me from my profile if your interested. Thanks for all of the compliments. We think she's pretty special too.
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Member:
Mrose
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Posted on Friday, Jun 30, 2006 - 10:33 am:
Good news, Karen! She sure has filled out. Great conformation! I bet she sells fast.
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