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Discussion on NONI Juice
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Member:
Kami
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Posted on Friday, Oct 1, 2004 - 4:02 am:
I'm trying to find out more information about NONI juice. Researching the web, I see that is had been tested with performance horses with good results. But they're not clear about the testing (who is doing it, a mfg or a university)... has anyone had any experience with NONI juice or know of any reliable research on it? It is also promoted for human health.
Thanks
Kami
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Member:
Kcovell
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Posted on Friday, Oct 1, 2004 - 5:33 am:
Kami
I also looked for research on NONI juice after reading an article on barrel racer Charmayne James who "highly" recommended it for both horses and humans. I've also seen several ads in the past using other barrel racers to promot a NONI juice product.
I could find no valid research done on NONI juice. The only thing I learned was buy it in a dark colored glass bottle and make sure it is from Tahati (sic) and has no added flavors.
I was going to just try it on myself and see if I felt anything, but I could only find the above kind (glass bottle, etc.) on the internet and it's not cheap.
Personally without reliable research I don't beleive any product works as advertised.
If I were you and really want to try it I'd try it on myself first.
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Member:
Imogen
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Posted on Saturday, Oct 2, 2004 - 11:41 am:
Girls, Tahitian Noni juice is a well-known scam. Plese don't waste your money. It has been exposed on many consumer programmes in Europe.
Imogen
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Member:
Suzeb
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Posted on Saturday, Oct 2, 2004 - 3:46 pm:
Sounds like "Sugar Water" to me. Just type in the word "Scam" after NONI Juice on your search engine and see what washes.
Susan B.
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Member:
Kcovell
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Posted on Saturday, Oct 2, 2004 - 6:54 pm:
Every month a free magazine called "Animal Magazine" is left at my feed store. It is about all kinds of animals and has some good articles.
Today I picked up one and there was a product review of Tahitian Noni International Equine Essentials (boy is that a mouth full).
Part of the article said "studies by Dr. John R. Byrd, a veterinarian Edgewood, N.M., and Dr. Richard Godbee, and equine nutritionist, rodeo horses which are under an intense level of stress from continual hauling and competition, after using Tahitian Noni Juice showed improved overall health." This was a direct quote so I don't know if the word after Godbee's name should have been an instead of and.
It said a survey of 200 racehorses in California, Texas, and New Mexico, when exposed to respiratory problems, the horses using Noni did not get sick or as sick as horses without it.
There was more to the article, including the Charmayne James "testimonial", but I think I'll wait for more research (if there is any) or maybe one day I'll put out the money and try it on myself. It is supposed to taste bad and cost alot.
KC
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Member:
Pyricon
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Posted on Thursday, Oct 7, 2004 - 5:01 am:
Dr. Gary Tran DVM (formerly Dean of the College of Vet Med and almost 40 years of veterinary medicine practice experience in large and small animals) has used Tahitian Noni juice since 1997 at his vet clinic on over 28,000 cases to augment traditional protocols. Dr. Byrd and Dr. Godbee both started using the human supplement on horses based on Dr. Tran's results. These men worked with Tahitian Noni International to create the Equine Essentials supplement. It is not a scam!
The trainers here at Churchill Downs swear by it! Stopwatches don't lie. Nick Hines, quarter horse racing trainer, increased his racing win percentage by 10 points during the trial study.
Email me at dscholfield@pyricon.com for more information. I can forward questions on to Drs Tran, Byrd and Godbee for their consideration. I will be at the Arabian Horse Association Championships for the next 10 days, so I may be a little slow in responding.
TNI has a full Satisfaction Guaranty and will refund your money if the product does not work for you. Does your drug company give you that?
As far as research goes, there are over 400 papers out on the fruit and its medical benefits. I personally know Dr. Ralph Heinicke, who did much of the testing and research work during the 60's through the 80's on plant based medicine compounds, including the noni plant.
Dr. Byrd is a highly skilled and respected equine vet working with race horses and other performance horses, including Charmayne James' horses. The study was not a double-blind research study as the horses involved were actively racing. The study was conducted as a serious research program, conforming to medical protocols, and the requirements for a full evaluation of the patients condition and the effectiveness of the prescribed course of treatment.
The University of Illinois' Medical School is conducting a full double blind (with cross-over) study on the lung cancer treatment effectiveness of tahitian noni.
Dr. Tran, Dr. Byrd and Dr. Godbee do not have any ownership interest in TNI and were not paid for their work. TNI has since hired Dr. Godbee to continue working on the product and new equine products under consideration. I do not work for TNI either, but I use noni juice for my migraine headache condition.
I have practiced law since 1978 and have seen my share of scams and snake oil. I have been through the labs and research facility at the Morinda home office in Provo, Utah. Dr. Tran and I have personally met with the Board members of the corporation, as well as its founders and research staff. Frankly, we would not have looked at the product except for a very unusual set of circumstances in 1996, which led to our using the human supplement on an AIDs/HIV patient in France, who had been diagnosed as terminal. The dramatic DrOp in her viral load, combined with the increase in immune function (which supported cancer research study results), caused us to begin looking into this, and other "alternative" products, for use at the hospital. By the way, the young lady AIDs patient, is still alive and doing quite well.
One important note, we did not get the same results with all of the various brands of Noni on the market. Only the Tahitian Noni juice from Morinda Corporation (now the Tahitian Noni International division of Morinda Corporation) worked on our patients (and ourselves). As an attorney, I am one of the biggest skeptics on earth, but the benefits I have seen (and in the case of my migraine headache condition, personally experienced) cannot be shrugged off as a wishful thinking.
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Pyricon
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Posted on Thursday, Oct 7, 2004 - 5:20 am:
One other quick note. The noni fruit has been used for over 2,000 years in the Pacific. It tastes horrible and when rotting, smells worse, if that is possible! Stephen Story, a food chemist and one of the founders of Morinda, found a way to flavor the juice using small amounts of white grape and blueberry juice (7 percent by volume). The Tahitian Noni juice will never replace orange juice on the breakfast table, but if you can drink coffee or beer, noni is not difficult to get used to.
As far as the horses, the racing trainers tell us that after only a few days, they would not eat their grain unless it had the noni product, Equine Essentials, on it.
Cost? Campared with drugs, it is not bad. Sixty-two cents an ounce, two ounces twice a day for horses as a maintenance feeding during the competition season. That makes it less than $3 a day. Since Gastroguard costs as much as $100 a day, this is very reasonable. I cannot afford to have my show horses suffering from ulcers or stress at a major event. The cost is minimal when the cost of losing at a Regional or National show is considered.
On the people side, a case of 4 liter bottles runs as low as $120 (US), with sales taxes and shipping on top of that. Retail prices are higher, of course.
Equine Essentials also runs as low as $120 in the United States for a case of two 96 ounce jugs, with tax and shipping added.
I can exceed those prices with only a couple of the medicines my physicians have prescribed for me in the past. My medical insurance runs almost $500 a month! I don't even want to talk about how much money my equine vet made off of our herd when we were located in Michigan! Dr. Tran and I have used Tahitian Noni juice on Cushings Disease cases, Laminitis, EPM, Cancers and many other equine diseases. The results we obtained were significantly improved when the juice was integrated into the traditional protocols.
I know that more research and study is needed to fully understand how the juice helps, but I find no reason to wait until that research is completed (if it can be during my lifetime) when my horses can benefit now!
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Oct 7, 2004 - 9:00 am:
Hello David,
as you frame it above this is more a philisophical argument than a scientific one.
There are studies showing some interesting properities of noni juice. Doing a search of PubMed, the largest database of medical and scientific papers in the world I can find 43 such papers. However there only one clinical study on its effects in actual human patients and this is a after the fact review of cases that I present here:
Hawaii Med J. 2004 Jun;63(6):182-4.
Are immune responses pivotal to cancer patient's long term survival? Two clinical case-study reports on the effects of Morinda citrifolia (Noni).
Wong DK.
In the State of Hawaii, there are abundant claims of benefit from cancer patients' use of the fruit juice of Morinda citrifolia (Noni). There is no well documented clinical report in peer review journals. The author here studiously examined 2 such claims through interview, review of the medical records and pathology slides. The author concludes that these cases are valuable experiences and hope to stimulate interest in Noni research as an important part of adjuvant immunotherapy for cancer.
There are literally thousands of years of examples (many million cases) where experience was used to judge medical efficacy and found to be wrong because finding cause and effect in biological systems is fraught with many land mines. Today we are not smarter than these people that made mistakes but we are able to stand on their shoulders and learn from them. If you would like to read about what I think of as my biggest error, shared with most of the equine veterinary community, read Member's Services » The Lounge: Kick back and relax. » Alternative Medicine and Epistomology » DrO's Big Mistake. This anecdotal reporting should not be used to switch from traditional treatments with good proof of efficacy and safety and as I state in an earlier post there is no scientific work that shows this might be a more useful therapy than any other fruit juice. But we will watch the research carefully.
DrO
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Member:
Kami
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 14, 2005 - 9:06 pm:
Okay, I noticed this Noni juice in a local store, so was looking into it again.
I still haven't found any credible research information (so am not using it). I did find this interesting link and wanted to post it. In 2002 a "Public Health Information Service provided by Pusat Racun Negara, Universiti Sains Malaysia" in Malaysia reported that Noni was potentially associated to excessive bleeding after surgeries or accidents in patients who had been taking it.
The related links.
https://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/headline/poison/aug2002.html
https://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/bulletin/nst/2002/nst40.html
Obviously without any information from the promised studies who knows how credible this information might be.
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