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Discussion on Changing from Bute to aspirin
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Member:
Nadia
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 7:53 am:
I am buying an older horse with arthritis that has been on 1 gr bute daily for several months. He seems to be tolerating it well at this point, but am worried about the long term use. I would like to take him off of that and put him on aspirin instead (along with Corta-Flx).
1 - What would be a safe period of time to wait between stopping the bute and starting on aspirin?
2 - I would also like to add some oil to his diet (could use a few pounds and some shine). Would this help his stomach? Would it help to start the oil before the aspirin?
Thanks.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 9:08 am:
Nadia, it is unlikely you will get as good a response from aspirin as it has a very short half life. Also we do not know if aspirin is a safer drug. For more see Equine Medications and Nutriceuticals » Anti-inflammatories (NSAID's, Steroids, Arthritis Rx) » Aspirin. To answer your direct questions:
1) There is no known reason for a withdrawl period.
2) Probably not remarkably so start it at any time.
DrO
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Member:
Ilona
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 12:14 pm:
Nadia,...I use a product called Duralactin...it was recommended by my vet and has been really wonderful for the 2 horses to whom I administer this daily. You simply add it to feed.
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Lorid
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 12:33 pm:
Correct me if I am wrong, but Duralactin is a non-aspirin product, from all natural ingredients. It has no contraindications of aspirin or Bute. We also use this preparation at our barn and it has helped my horse (arthritis and crackling joints) and my trainer swears by it also.
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Member:
Lorid
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 12:40 pm:
Hi Dr. O. What do you think of this product (Duralactin). Have you had any experience with it? There is a loading (initial) dose, but then after that it's one scoop twice daily with grain. I am thinking about doubling the dose, as my horse did better initially, but now seems to be sore again. What are your thoughts on doubling the dose of this product? Thanks!
Lori
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Member:
Shirl
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 21, 2006 - 1:18 pm:
Ilona,
Where to get the Duralactin? Is a prescription necessary? Just in case there is a need in the future.
Thanks, Shirl
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DrO
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Posted on Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 - 7:40 am:
I have pulled and edited this from a discussion from last year I posted to:
Oh...those magical milk proteins. It seems like every time you turn around you see new claims made for them. There are several reports of anti-arthritic properties of some concentrated or disrupted milk peptides in rat and mouse feet models and there is a bit of biased research about hyperimmunized cows milk protein concentrates and owner evaluations of their arthritic dogs. It all seems very nebulous to me and nowhere near applicable information for the treatment of arthritis in horses. I would consider the use experimental and a great risk to your pocketbook.
Rechecking the newest literature I do not see anything that changes the above recommendation.
DrO
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Member:
Nadia
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Posted on Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 - 7:51 am:
Thanks, Dr O. I think I have decided to not change anything at this time - except to add oil. He's a little skinny and his coat could use a little shine. I have some Conquer gel that I thought I may add, just to see if it helps at all (more of an experiment to see if the stuff has any benefit.) I assume it can't hurt him? (I'd prefer to use up what I have.)
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Member:
Miamoo
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Posted on Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 - 9:10 am:
I love recovery EQ. My mare was having a difficult time staying sound and has been sound for 3 months. I started it about 3 and a half months ago. Worth a try anyway and I believe it can be used with bute, aspirin or devils claw - which ever one you choose (but please double check - I would not want to steer you wrong).
Ella 
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Member:
Ilona
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Posted on Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 - 12:06 pm:
Shirley I get the Duralactin through my vet....Dr. O, with respect, I can only speak from the experience I have had with my own 2 horses...there has been a marked improvement since the use of this product with no other variables present. I don't believe that horses respond with a placebo effect, all they know is that they are getting their regular feed with a slight flavor differential.
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Lorid
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Posted on Wednesday, Mar 22, 2006 - 3:11 pm:
Hi Shirley. You can get Duralactin on line without a prescription. The cheapest price is thru PetMedStore.com at $47.50 for 850gm bucket. The dosing instructions are on the bucket. You will need to start with the loading dose, followed by the maintainnce dose.
I hope this info. helps!
Lori
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DrO
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Posted on Thursday, Mar 23, 2006 - 7:52 am:
Ilona, you forget the variable of time. Time passed. The body heals acute disease processes, and chronic ones are variable they go up and down over time often improving as time passes. I don't know the particulars of your situation but I am just not aware of any scientific work to support the statements made by the Duralactin company or that of Recovey EQ and find the statements...hmmm let's say improbable. I do know that people often fool themselves about what they see, confusing complicated cause and effect because of simple temporal relationships.
If you would like to read about how I fooled myself for over a decade in dozens in not hundreds of cases with a specific therapy see: Member's Services members_only » The Lounge: Kick back and relax. » Alternative Medicine and Epistomology » DrO's Big Mistake. We are all susceptible to misinterpretation which is why I think it important to discuss the scientific evidence of any recommendation made on this board.
DrO
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Member:
Ilona
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 26, 2006 - 9:08 pm:
Thanx Dr. O. I am certainly open to correction, and, yes, of course, time is a variable...I will however risk emptying my pocket book on the Dilactin. My vet stands behind the product, so much so that there is no mark-up on price...I get it for $35.00 for an 850 g bucket. If its not hurting my horses, and there does seem to be an improvement I will take the chance. I am an avid reader of this site, spending a min of 1 hour per day following the medical and training threads and going to your original articles...I am so appreciative of this site. I was simply putting forth my experience.
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Member:
Ilona
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 26, 2006 - 9:11 pm:
My error, I pay $30.00 for an 850g bucket, not $35.00...just checked my receipts.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Mar 27, 2006 - 7:23 pm:
That's fine ilona and thanks for the kudos. We welcome your experiences but I bang my head against a wall daily in trying to keep yall straight but realize if this stuff was really helpful for arthritis you would have heard about it from hundreds of different sources and I would be taking it myself. There is nothing here that is of any known benefit.
DrO
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