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Discussion on Glucosamine and cosequin supplements for arthritis
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Lorid
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 - 1:25 pm:
Hi. I have just finished reading the article "Hyaluronic Acid, ChonDrOitin Sulfate, and Polysulfated Glycosaminoglycan for the Treatment of Arthritis in Horses."
My question is this: Can anyone tell me what supplement you use for your horses who have arthritis? The article says to use a generic human product of chonDrOitin and glucosamine, which may be better monitored, fresher, and cheaper. Has anyone found such a product, and if so, what is the name of that product, the price, and where can it be purchased? If not, what is the cheapest "horse" preparation (the name, cheapest price, and where it can be purchased)?
This will help me sooooo much! Thank-you all!
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Canter
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 - 4:23 pm:
Lori, you can find a generic version in any drug store or probably in WalMart as well. Names of the products vary, depending on where you buy it, but most large retailers who sell a generic under their store name will insist on a level of quality somewhat equivalent to a national brand. Prices will also vary, depending on the store, size of the bottle purchased, etc. Just go to the vitamin section of any large retailer and you will have no trouble at all finding a variety of gluc/chond products.
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DrO
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Posted on Tuesday, Mar 28, 2006 - 5:28 pm:
As long as it is a well known though generic name brand it should be fine. WallMart or your local chain pharmacy would be where I would start.
DrO
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Lorid
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Posted on Wednesday, Mar 29, 2006 - 6:15 pm:
Fran and Dr. O.....Thanks so much for your help. Sorry it took me so long to thank you. I plan to go "shopping" at Walmart over the weekend for my boy. Hopefully, this will help ease the pain. We also give him Bute on the days we work him.
Lori
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Member:
Lorid
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 6:23 pm:
At the risk of sounding ignorant, are these supplements in pill form or powder? When you say generic glucosamine and chonDrOitin in the vitamin isle, I take it to mean pill form.
Also, what would the dosage be for a horse of glucosamine and what would the dosage be for chonDrOitin? My boy weighs close to 1,000 pounds. Any help with this info. is GREATLY appreciated!
What role does cosequin play, if any, in arthritis relief?
Thanks -
Lori
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 7:09 pm:
I suspect you could find many different forms Lori. The ones I use are pills. You will find dosage information at Equine Medications and Nutriceuticals » Anti-inflammatories (NSAID's, Steroids, Arthritis Rx) » The Joint Protective Treatments.
DrO
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Member:
Lorid
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 7:26 pm:
As always, Dr.O, thanks for your help!!!!
Lori
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Member:
Canter
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 4, 2006 - 7:57 am:
Lori, if you are concerned about pills vs powder, many of us keep an old coffee grinder at the barn for chopping up the pills to either mix with food or a treat to get them into a horse.
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Lorid
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 4, 2006 - 10:08 am:
Fran, what a great idea! I have one of those because at the onset of his "limping" at the walk we had the vet out, who placed him on amoxicillin cause we thought he had Lyme disease. Turned out that he didn't have that. Anyway, long story short, we went thru the winter giving him Bute when worked, but on April 27, the vet is coming to definitively "diagnose" him, followed by the appropriate injections.
I suspect he has arthritis, though, and I want to have him on maximum therapy to keep him feeling comfortable and happy.
You have been so very helpful to me......Thanks a bunch! :o)
Lori
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Nicolec
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Posted on Friday, Apr 21, 2006 - 12:15 am:
I have been reading a lot about this subject. I know that Dr. O doesn't think that the compounded forms of polysulfated Glycosaminoglycan works. But, I have had a different experience with it. I think there was a study done at UC Davis, showing that it worked as well as Adequan- now, I know that might be heresy- BUT, I did use it for a few years on an older horse with hock issues. The vet wanted to put him on routine bute- I wouldn't do it. I gave him a shot every week, faithfully and his hock would not hang.
I have been using Adequan with another horse, but feel that it's worth a try (for the difference in cost) to use the compounded product. Since neither product stays in the system for long, so I'm going to try giving the compounded product every 5 days.... the compouned product costs $48 for 120 mls (2 btls)- 5 mls per dose, you do the math!
I am also thinking of supplementing with Adequan IF needed, before a show, but for the cost, If I get good results, I may not do it. Will see-
I do give him Adeptus, which touts that the HLA in Adeptus is in a smaller, more absorbable molecule? (Dr. O?)- The developer of that line is a vet who used to develop products for Farnham.....
I'm working with another vet who also does homeopathy and may look at adding traumeel and zeel- for pain and inflammation- these are both Heel products and available online.
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Apr 21, 2006 - 7:41 am:
I am uncertain what Nicole means by "compounded forms" but if she means generic PSGAG that does not represent my opiniin. If the PSGAG is formulated the same as Adequan it should work (or not work) the same. If she is talking about some specific products that we outline in the article that sell themselves as a generic PSGAG that actually contain other substances, I have presented what is a fairly good and peer reviewed study that did not find an effect.
I have not seen any scientific work on Adeptus so really cannot say if this is a good idea or not. There is scientific work that concludes that the larger the HA molecule is the more effective it is.
Concerning the use of homeopathic preparations, there is currently no known biological, chemical, or physical process through which they might work, for more on this see Member's Services members_only » The Lounge: Kick back and relax. » Alternative Medicine and Epistomology.
DrO
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Member:
famous
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Posted on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 - 9:42 am:
Greetings!
I have a mare that was misdianosed with navicular. We got a second opinion that was more in depth and found it was NOT navicular, but lameness in her shoulders. The good and the bad news huh?
I am wondering if anyone has experience with Cosequin Equine AND is there a blood test to establish arthritis? I forgot to ask the vet. We are not sure what is causing the shoulder issues.
Thanks for any input.
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Member:
scooter
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Posted on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 - 5:14 pm:
Lora you may want to start your own discussion, you will get more replies. I'm curious how they came to the conclusion of shoulder lameness?
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Member:
famous
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Posted on Friday, Dec 5, 2008 - 5:52 pm:
HI Diane!
I am still learning this system - so thanks for the prompt. I will begin a new discussion. As for the shoulder dx - the first vet simply pressed on her frog and said, "yep, it's navicular". At the prompting of a trimmer, we got a second opinion from another vet. He did a temporary nerve block to the navicular area after moving her in the round pen. We let the block take effect and moved her in the round pen again - same gimpy gate. He extended and lifted her forelegs and it was an obvious, "ouch, that hurts". I am probably leaving something out here and am open to questions and comments. Thanks again - off to start a new discussion!
Lora 
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