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Discussion on What color is this baby? sire unknown (so far)
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cspanhel
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 1:51 pm:
Hi all, I bought an 'open' Welsh pony mare last spring who turned up 'closed.' The foal was just born, and appears to be entirely Welsh, but the sire is not yet known (will be pulling DNA on the foal to run the tests--the sellers of the mare have several stallions..).
Thought maybe someone in HA could advise me as to what color they think this foal will be (photo below). The mother is a 'black' roan, which I think is another word for a 'blue' roan.
Foal has blue grey eyes with marked liver eyeliner (though eyeliner is fading as she grows). 
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canyon28
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 2:05 pm:
Strange eyes,the foal is possibly a buckskin or smoky black it looks like to me. Looks like a buckskin or dilute of some type. Also splash gene, I think it is, can cause blue eyes in an other wise looking non pinto horse.
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liliana
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 2:30 pm:
Congrats on your new arrival! What a lovely baby, so welsh looking, you can see the dish face that is typical of the Welsh ponies, yes they have Arab in them!
I think it will be in the Chestnut, Strawberry roan range, which are pretty common in Welsh ponies.
Christine, I am confused, can the colour of the eyes change naturally? I thought that it was only due to retina changes!
Regards
Liliana
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canyon28
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 3:01 pm:
Eye color can change as the foal gets older, the fact that its eyes are so dilute looking right now, makes me think it is a dilute. Also champange horses, which I have two of, a mare and her offspring, have bright sky blue eyes at birth, that change over the next five or six months to an amber or light brown. Their eyes are birth are a startling bright blue, even more blue than a double dilute. Most of my single dilutes, palominos, are born with kind of a slate blue or grayish eye, that changes to light or medium brown as they get older. I have had two horses with blue colored chips in their brown eyes, both were single dilutes, one was a buckskin mare, the other was my stallion , Cutter, a palomino. Chris www.canyonrimranch.net
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cspanhel
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 3:04 pm:
Here is another photo of the Welsh filly where you can see her dark points...One possible sire is a liver chestnut...The dam's sire was a dun or buckskin...not sure which as have only seen a photo of him. It occurred to me that possibly the dam's sire is also this filly's sire...but I think he had been sold and sent away prior to the probable breeding date of the mare. THANKS for all the input. cynthia
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dres
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 4:43 pm:
What color is the mare..?? She looks like a roan from the flank shot.. also it looks like white up around the tail dock of the foal..???
very cute..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.
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cspanhel
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 7:21 pm:
The dam is a 'black roan' and she has the white at the tail dock also...cls
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liliana
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Posted on Tuesday, Feb 13, 2007 - 8:19 pm:
So it's like human babies, they can be born with blue eyes and then turn hazel!
My daughter had grey eyes, then they turn blue and ended up green
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mrose
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 - 12:28 am:
What a darling foal! The blue eyes have me stumped; if it weren't for them I'd vote for dark buckskin. Do Welsh ponies come in all colors? Or just certain colors like Arabs? I ask because I don't remember seeing a buckskin Welsh. Is that color rare in the breed?
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freshman
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 - 3:36 am:
My vote is buckskin or bay roan for this little one. The grayish eye color is unusual, and I wonder if this could be due the same dilute gene that would get a buckskin. I'm not very knowledgeable about the genetics of color, so hopefully someone else can tell me if this is possible. I have seen many ponies that have been described to me as "welsh" that are diluted colors like palamino, buckskin, also roans and grullas, but don't know what the breed standard is.
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cspanhel
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 - 12:14 pm:
The Welshes come in many coat colors--I have another one here that is buckskin. And, yes, the foal is darling. The mom is a Section A Welsh and around 11 1/2 hands...this baby looks like she will be taller (the sellers have Section B studs, so probable sire is Section B)...she was about the size of our Australian Shepherd @ birth..a bit taller. Adorable beyond description when she bucks and plays. !
I should know more about the Welsh breed standards, but I bought the mares to cross with my Spanish stallion, so haven't studied up. Need to now.
cynthia
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canyon28
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 - 12:25 pm:
does the mare have kind of weird looking eyes that may be lighter than your other horses eyes, but still brown? If the foal is a buckskin, then she must be a smoky black with roaning. Often smoky blacks will have a lighter brown eye than you would think. A smoky can look like a bay, chocolate, or even a true black, the roaning is just a modifier, probably rabicano roaning as I noticed the tail head had it on the foal. I have a smoky black, she is aqha and has been tested, she looks black, but had a palomino colt when she was bred to a sorrel stallion last year. I also saw another smoky at the breeding farm a few years ago and she was about as black as they come, but she had these weird looking light brown eyes that kind of looked through you. My mare doesnt have that , she has dark brown eyes like most horses have. 
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maggienm
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Posted on Wednesday, Feb 14, 2007 - 5:41 pm:
The eyes do indicate a dilute factor for sure.
I will vote for champange. I don't know if Welsh have Champange but 'they' say chmpange babies are born a near adult color with very pale or blue eyes, the body color lightens over time and the eyes stay close to the same.
Champange bays are beautiful.
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boomer
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 - 1:38 pm:
What is dilute? My mustang, Fred has amber eyes, very strange color. I've never seen it before. Is that dilute? Beautiful baby, you are so lucky! Enjoy! Keep us informed of her color change, very interesting.
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liliana
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Posted on Thursday, Feb 15, 2007 - 2:10 pm:
In all my years of pony clubbing with my daughter in England I never saw ”buckskin" colour on a neither Welsh section A nor section B or C for that matter, I saw liver chestnut, chestnut, strawberry roan and blue roan a lot of white grey and grey.
When they are crossed with Shetland then you can get pintos, but I never saw either a pinto or buckskinned Welsh pony
Liliana
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cspanhel
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 - 10:02 am:
I keep forgetting the distinction between a dun and a buckskin (need to study up), but if you go to rosmel.com and then to their stallion page, there is a photo of the dun stallion, Clarwoods Joy Ride. He is the sire of the my Welsh mare (the one that just foaled).
I'll post a picture of my other Welsh mare--the buckskin--(or dun? but I think her registration papers say buckskin) soon...
I originally thought most Welsh ponies were grey as that is the only color I had seen prior to visiting Rosmel Welsh Pony Farm.
Thanks for all the input!... cynthia
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erika
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Posted on Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 - 11:23 am:
There is a local hunter pony here that the owner says is Welsh, it is a buckskin.
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