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Member:
Joy1151

Posted on Thursday, Jan 22, 2004 - 12:45 pm:

Hi- I am looking at a 8yr old TB mare for using as a broodmare, it is stamped on her registered
papers that in 1999, she is a bleeder. Could someone explain what that is, and will it be a problem in breeding her? Or foal out? She is also a maiden mare has not been bred before. Thanks for any suggestions.
Member:
Christos

Posted on Thursday, Jan 22, 2004 - 2:06 pm:

Lorna,
A bleeder is an omozygous hemophilic mare.
The hemophilia gene is located on the X chromosome, an Xh/Xh mare is registered as a bleeder. That means that all her offspring will be carriers.
Carrier stallions are always hemophilic, and I have heard they die early in their life.
I do not think you should use her in reproduction.
Moderator:
DrO

Posted on Thursday, Jan 22, 2004 - 7:51 pm:

I think Christos is incorrect. A bleeder is a horse identified by a recognized veterinarian and attested on a written form that following a race was found with a endoscope with blood in the trachea. Once so identified the horse is able to get drugs for the bleeding in some racing jurisditions. Some feel these drugs help horses race faster. There is no established connection between bleeders and hemophillia, for more on this see Equine Diseases » Respiratory System » Exercise Induced Pulmonary Hemmorage, EIPH.

Because I have not been associated with track work for over 20 years I have emailed the Jockey Club for clarification and if different will post it here.
DrO
Member:
Eoeo

Posted on Thursday, Jan 22, 2004 - 8:29 pm:

Christos is absolutely incorrect. What you see on the papers is EIPH certified stamped on her papers. All this means is she bled a small, very minute amount during a race and was certified and received lasix in subsequent races. About 90% of the horses running at any track are so certified. Lasix or whatever name it goes by now is the common medication of choice. You can use the broodmare without worry that the colts or her will bleed to death from a cut. Bleeding in a race is common, usually from stress and not enough conditioning. EO
Member:
Christos

Posted on Friday, Jan 23, 2004 - 7:12 am:

DrO, EO, you are both right, I apologise for the scare, Lorna.
What I wrote only applies to genetics studies.
I always thought bleeding on the race to be a normal thing, so I wouldn't have thought the registration papers would be marked for it.
As far as I remember from Greek and Yugoslavian race tracks, the use of Lasix was free. But again it can be that this is just a false impression because of its widespread use.
It seems I am in need of a good update on some ideas...
Member:
Jolie

Posted on Friday, Jan 23, 2004 - 9:47 am:

Lorna

I do not usually advise as there are many many other equine people on this site with knowledge way beyond mine. Having said that - I have been breeding and racing running quarter horses on small scale for 18 years. I have known many "bleeders" as they are called that have raced for many years,produced wonderful offspring and lived long and happy lives. In my opnion Dr. O and EO are correct. Do not give up on this mare only because she bled when she raced.

Good Luck!
Member:
Eoeo

Posted on Friday, Jan 23, 2004 - 11:00 am:

Christos, we learn something new every day when dealing with horses. If we don't we aren't trying. A person can't know everything that is why websites like this are so helpful. EO
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