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Discussion on Gray from 2 Blacks?
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 1:42 am:
Our foal born today was steel gray. I find this odd because mom (black) was out of a black mare and sorrel stud, and dad (also black) out of a black mare and palamino stud. I do know just from the names of grandsires, and greats that the was one gray horse 4 or 5 generations back on our foal's dam's side. I think we would have been less shocked to have had a palamino. Is it possible he will turn black or are all blacks born that color?
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Paix
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 2:15 am:
Blacks can be all silvery-gray - quite beautiful - when they are foals. These silver babies, in my experience, grow out to be very BLACK!
Do u have pixs?
Always love to see the babies!!!
Congrats on ur ur new baby boy.
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 6:59 am:
Thanks for the info Dina. He is a silvery gray with the biggest star I've seen in a while. I'll try to get a picture posted today. The server is telling me my picture is too big and I can't figure out Adobe or Dell to resize it.
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Mrose
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 8:33 am:
Congrats on your new foal!
Many, if not most, Arabian foals that are black are born a rather mousey brown or grayish brown.
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Goolsby
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 8:59 am:
Tonya
My colt was born grey, black mom, black/white paint dad. He shed out his foal coat black now at one yr. is roaning out. According to names on moms side there were a couple with silver in the name. Maybe you can see the roan in this pic.
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Goolsby
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 9:02 am:
Here is a pic of him and mom at a few days.
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Jodeen
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 9:29 am:
someone once told me that the true color of a foal will not come in till at least 2 years of age. your baby is a beautiful color however. My arabian colt was born bay, out of a bay dam and grey stud. he is now two years old and in the winter has a very what i call "rose grey" to him, but sheds out to a steel grey in the summer. i also have a colt born this year to a chocolate bay dam and stud. he is a very light red bay. i was hoping for black or dark bay, go figure. LOL
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Traveler
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 9:55 am:
I've had foals born this color and they have always ended up black. Cute baby, congrats.
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Deggert
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 12:51 pm:
Hi Tonya,
Congratulations on your foal! It sounds like your mare is coming around. I have read in breeding and genetics book that to get gray one parent must be gray because if one of your black parents was carrying gray they would be gray.!!?? When I had a foal the color of yours out of 2 grays I was sure he was gray but he turned out a beautiful dark bay. Good Luck, I am expecting a foal in a couple weeks. Debbie
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Liliana
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 1:49 pm:
Congrats on your new foal, he looks like pretty big!
Considering the amount of gray horses one would think they´d be easy to get eh?
As far as I have been able to read, it is considered a solid colour, funnyly enough as mentioned before.. out of two grays chances are for a bay, and viceversa, providing that there is a gray in the family. Also aparently a gray pinto does not count as a real gray??... go figure that.
Please let us know how he developes, my Ulemba-chak was born kind of a dawn colour, mum is bay and dad is chestnut, now at 15 months he is a deep redish bay.
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 8:30 pm:
Okay, I got my husband to help me figure out how to change the size. I don't remember having this much trouble before. It must be the lack of sleep from the last five weeks of waiting. By the way, mom now lets baby nurse freely (if you've read my other posts.)
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 - 8:30 pm:
There is more of a contrast between mom and baby than the picture shows, but you get the idea.
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Goolsby
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Posted on Thursday, May 6, 2004 - 8:16 am:
Tonya
your foal is beautiful! He? looks more of a silvery grey. Mine was more donkey grey. I had hoped mine would stay grey. Actually Id hoped he was a spotted filly.Ha. Have you chosen a name?
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Saturday, May 8, 2004 - 1:51 pm:
We haven't picked a name yet. Our Association requires us to pick three choices for registration and as I have three children who are all wanting to name him and can't agree, I told them they would all get a crack and let the Association decide. We've just been calling him the baby. He's turning out to be very laid back. My husband had put them in the round pen for exercise and found him laying down resting with his feet sticking underneath the pen. Patrick went over and scooted him by his back feet, then his front feet. The baby simply picked up his head and looked at Patrick like, "what's the problem." By the way, I want to thank everyone for their input and cute pictures. I'll keep everyone posted on his progress> I'm so glad I found this site, as it has been an amazing resource for us.
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Goolsby
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Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:24 am:
Tonya
let us know what name he ends up with and some updated pics too. I know how the naming goes. I have only recently been able to name the last 3 animals I have had because I always let the kids name them. The last critter I aquired (Shamus)is a barn cat and my grown son is working on changing his name to Bob.
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Canyon28
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Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 5:07 pm:
Your foal is a black horse. True blacks or blue blacks are usually born black. Fading blacks are usually born this grulla silvery color that your foal is. They are still black horses and should be regisered as such. It is also possible your foal could be a smoky black, since you said the sire had a palomino parent, your foals sire might be a smoky black. A smoky black is a black horse with a cream gene. They usually look kind of a semi sweet dark chocolate color, not blue black. Some can even look almost bay. go to doubledilute.com or doubledilutes.com to see pictures of smoky blacks.
your foal is probably a fading black, but it is possible it could be a smoky. Some dark brown horses are also born slivery like this. if the nose turns reddish or bay colored, its a brown, and not a true black. Usually they have some brownish areas in the flanks and behind the front legs, too.
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Canyon28
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Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 5:14 pm:
I forgot to mention, that in order to get a gray horse, one parent must be a gray. Also gray horses are never born grey! they are born another color and the gray is a modifier that develops over time. so there is no possible way your foal can be a gray since neither parent is gray. I have had two gray horses , one was born sorrel, the other born a chestnut. They gray out over time, starting at the head. when the foal coat starts shedding is when you will notice gray hairs around the eyes, etc.
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Jerre
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Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:55 am:
Very interesting site -- so a genetic black can actually look brown? My yearling filly was dark silvery charcoal at birth with no other color anywhere (except her little star) and is nearly shed out now to be black -- except that I see a few brown tinges. The filly's dam is a very dark (like black coffee) bay (sire was black/dam a bay) and sire was bay (parents unknown). My filly doesn't look dead-pure black -- there's just enough tone (kind of a richer color than pure black) to raise the question. But there's no hint of brown on the muzzle or flanks -- just a few brownish hairs around the eyes. And so far I can't see any demarkation of black points -- she's the same color all the way up.
Jerre
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Jerre
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Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 11:07 am:
Sorry, I realize this thread is about grays, but since it looks like Tonya may have a black, maybe these pix will add to the discussion. It's Xena at 3 weeks, and early this spring before she shed out. The contrast between mom and filly is much greater than it appears in the second photo.
 
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:51 pm:
Smoky would be okay. Cream genes are the thing in Fox Trotters right now (although I think it's wrong to breed for color, we breed for a nice riding horse). We've gotten 2 foals out of our stallion this year so far (his first), with three more coming out of all colors, so it will be interesting to see what we get. So far it's been the baby above and a dark, almost black, chestnut and white spotted colt (mom's chestnut and white homozygous, we think). Jerre, your filly above looks about the same color as my foal's mom.
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:55 pm:
Christine, thanks for confirming what I was thinking. I had thought that one parent had to be gray, that if one parent carried a gray gene it would be expressed because it was dominant. As we had never had a black baby before, we were quite suprised to see it look gray. I think going by the assumption that most foals darken when foal coat is shed, he will probably be black.
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Mftgirl
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Posted on Saturday, Jan 22, 2005 - 9:45 pm:
It's been a while since I last posted, but I thought for anyone who might be wanting this information I'd fill you in. Our foal shed out to black but ended with an almost brown muzzle. We named him Storm's Starfire.
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