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aannk
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 1:09 pm:
Well, we finally achieved the goal, a colt was born Wednesday AM. Mom is my TB mare Lilly, and dad is Voltaire. This baby was an embryo transfer from Lilly and he is healthy and happy!
I chose Dillon as his Dutch name, named after my mom's friend's son who died in Iraq. His show name is Poetic.
I still need a beer name for his call name.
Any suggestions?
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aannk
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 1:11 pm:
Another photo.
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aannk
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 1:13 pm:
One more.
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dres
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 3:27 pm:
look at them legs.. !~
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 3:28 pm:
How Adorable Alicia...I bet his beer name will come after you get to know his personality
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canter
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 4:10 pm:
Awwww...he's so cute! Congrats and enjoy!
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aannk
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 4:15 pm:
Ann,
Yeah, he pretty much is 75 percent legs, 20 percent head, and 5 percent torso and neck at this point
Diane,
I found one, Crawford, but my Mom hates it. I plan on reading a bunch of names to him tomorrow and see if he responds to any. So, far, he has been called sweetie and sweatheart by me, and pookie by the barn manager, so I need to make a decision so he will learn his name!
Hey, can anyone tell if he will grey? HEre is a close up (as close as I have right now), of his face. The color around the eye looks like a mealy tan to me, but maybe it is grey? Is there somewhere that tells you what color they will mature to from their foal coat? I know my black horse was a lot darker than this guy when he was born, he had some lighter areas, just as this guy does, on his legs, but he was basically black.
I know this guy's mom was partially grey at birth, and the one she lost two years ago was too.
Alicia
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 4:59 pm:
I've always liked the name Tucker for some reason.. Scooter is another one I like, but I will NEVER have a foal again. Tho these pics make me want to change my mind.
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stevens
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Posted on Monday, Mar 31, 2008 - 10:07 am:
A "beer name"?? How about Duvel? Not Dutch, but Belgian so pretty close.
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aannk
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Posted on Monday, Mar 31, 2008 - 10:39 am:
Well, we decided he was Dillon, so he won't be named after a beer, although there is a Dillon brewery in Colorado
So, Dutch and barn name both Dillon. I will send more photos later today. Unfortunately, he IS going to grey, there are some white hairs around his eyes. Oh well, I have a grey boy instead of a bay girl, but he is very sweet and nicely put together, so hopefully the other things I wanted will be there!
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Posted on Monday, Mar 31, 2008 - 8:17 pm:
Dillon is a cute name. Dillon's is also a name of a popular bar in our town, so that's a beer name to me. Good luck with Dillon
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 3:49 am:
The grey boy will certainly keep his nice head!
Most Voltaires[you did mean the Dutch stallion did you?] have and have a sweet disposition too.
I already mailed I liked Dillon and the foal but cyberspace ate my mail.
Jos
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 8:51 am:
Alicia, beautiful boy! And I am proud of you for honoring the boy who died in Iraq. What a nice legacy that I'm sure the boy's mother appreciates.
Whatever color, he's a keeper!
BTW, how are the collies? Did you keep any pups?
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 2:40 pm:
Thanks Diane!
Jos, Yes, I was expecting a pretty head, Mommy has a very pretty head and so does Voltaire. Yes,I did mean the Dutch stallion (also registered Hannoverian). I have heard good and bad things about Voltaire offspring myself, but I hope that this guy turns out to have his good parts.
Erika,
I have a new photo of my clan I will post here. I kept the tri bitch Kenzie and one of the 4 sable dogs Peyton. Duncan and Mackay are owned by show homes, so they are starting their show careers. I actually am showing all 4 of mine plus Duncan starting tomorrow. This is the first time I have ever shown that many at once, should be a whirlwind!
Here is the photo.
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 2:59 pm:
Here are some more photos of Dillon at 3 days.
   
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 3:00 pm:
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 3:04 pm:
Last
As you can see, he already loves rolling in the mud!
    
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 1, 2008 - 3:27 pm:
All I can say is: "Look at those legs!!!" O_O
Congrats on the baby Alicia, he's a cutie.
Nicole
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paardex
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 2, 2008 - 3:22 am:
What bad things did you hear of Voltaire Alicia?
Apart from givin a bit of a small horse from time to time I thought he was an excellent stallion? And I've seen quite a few of them in different disciplines over the years
Jos
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 2, 2008 - 9:32 pm:
Jos,
I have heard his offspring can be "tricky", such as being very sensitive and being whacko, or being amazingly wonderful. It seems they are all or nothing. That, however, is all heresay, and I took it with a grain of salt when I used him for my baby.
Alicia
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paardex
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 3, 2008 - 4:01 am:
It almost sounds as if th tricky whacko ones were foals of one of the stallions owners other studs [Mytens xx now they could be WHACKO!]. Mostly they really are known as sweet horses[in Europe] I am sure you will love your Dillon!
Jos
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Posted on Thursday, Apr 3, 2008 - 7:50 pm:
Jos,
Can you repeat that a different way, I am not sure what you said?
Alicia
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paardex
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Posted on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 - 6:36 am:
Sorry Alicia,sometimes my use of English is not to clear.
I meant to say that in Europe the children of Voltaire normally are known for a pleasant disposition[though with a temperament towards TB more then 'oldfashioned' German] a beautiful head and usually comfortable gaits with a good canter.
The owner of Voltaire[Jan Greve] has numerous stallions one of which is Mytens xx[very very good showjumper but completely whacko as you put it] so I tried to say the tricky whacko Voltaire children in the US must have been children of Mytens xx by accident[JOKE! I am not accusing anybody]
Jos
PS I will stop making jokes until my English get's better
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cpacer
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Posted on Friday, Apr 4, 2008 - 4:44 pm:
Well if those pictures don't make a person smile I don't know what will. Very cute! Thank you for sharing.
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aannk
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 1:46 pm:
OK, here are some recent photos, at a month old.
Still doing well. I am moving him this week to a new home with mommy where they will be turned out with others his age on large fields with grass.
This is me with him, he is getting pretty big pretty quick! When can you do the string test (knee to coronet band)?
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 1:48 pm:
Here is another. Basically the same, just a little different of him.
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 1:48 pm:
Here is one of his snip.
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 1:49 pm:
And of his star.
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 1:50 pm:
And one of his eye. Any bets on whether he is going to turn grey?
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 2:10 pm:
BEAUTIFUL... hard to say about graying.. if he is going to looks like it will be a slow process as in a pretty steal gray for a while ... I can't say other then WOW he is lovely..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 2:39 pm:
Congratulations on a beautiful baby, he looks pretty spunky!
Is Lily gray?
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 3:02 pm:
Ann,
I hope he doesn't turn, greys are so hard to get really white.
Lori,
Yes, but she only has one grey gene, so we had a 50 50 shot.
Alicia
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canter
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 4:27 pm:
He's a pretty baby, Alicia. I hope for your sake that he doesn't gray out. I know first hand what a pain in the butt it is to keep a gray looking really pretty. Always swore I'd never own a white horse...and guess what I have? I try to turn a blind eye to the manure spots and yellow hair and brown main and tail in the winter. It's so hard to do. Guaranteed the first warm day of the spring, she gets a good scrubbing...and then a few more to really get her white.
Anyway, enjoy your lovely boy. He looks like a lot of fun!
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 - 4:46 pm:
What long legs he has, you should have called him spider. He is a very Handsome guy...and looks VERY healthy, enjoy your new foal!
like kids they grow up real fast.
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paardex
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 5:11 am:
With such a handsome foal every color is good
Jos
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 9:09 am:
I don't know why I've been so slow in picking up on this conversation....such a beautiful foal! And, what legs and conformation. He looks like he's going to be one heck of a performance horse. And, luck him to be going to where he can be turned out on pasture, have playmates, and run around. I guess you realize now that you will have to keep us updated with photos of him growing up?
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 11:12 am:
Gorgeous boy - and the length of those LEGS!
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 12:01 pm:
Fran, yes, Lilly was grey, so I know about how hard it is to keep them clean. I used everything I could find to whiten her tail for 6 years, with no luck! How I envied those with silver greys with their glistening coats and tails! I don't think I have ever seen a flea bitten grey with a shine in their coat!
Diane, LL,
His legs really are long, aren't they! The great thing is, he is VERY balanced and can run and change directions on a dime.
jos,
I agree, and I won't love him less if he is grey. The top hunter horse in the US ever was a grey, so there is no prejudice on that color!
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 12:08 pm:
Sara,
Thanks for the compliments, and YES, I will be constantly sending photos
I am not sure yet of really anything conformation wise, except he does seem to have lost Lilly's long loin (her's was a bit weak from being so long, which made collection difficult), and he seems to have her nice straight bones and nice pastern angle and daddy's beautiful hock angulation. However, I have no idea if that will last!
Here is a photo of Lilly and one of Voltaire, for reference.
 
I don't know why the Voltaire photo is so small, hmm. Well, anyway, from these photos, it appears Lilly contributed very little to Dillon's conformation! Spitting image of daddy. I just hope he got her mind, she is so willing and bomb proof.!
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 12:24 pm:
Hi Alicia, I know a woman who has a couple of Voltaire foals and they are lovely, and very sweet also. I also have a friend who has a Voltaire related horse, I forget now but think he's a grandson. At anyrate, the horse is a wonderfully athletic jumper with a great disposition. (Jos probably knows/remembers more about the relationship than I do...Ellen's horse, Jos.)
It's been my experience with foals that if they are born with good conformation, it only improves as they get older and start to get muscle. Your foal is a "winner!"
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 12:37 pm:
Sara,
Yes, jos had mentioned she liked the voltaire offspring she had met. Very nice to see such good experiences with them! To tell you the truth, though, when I made up my list of what I hoped the baby would be, one was to have Lilly's temperament The only thing wrong with her is that she was herd bound, but I am positive that resulted from her upbringing as a race horse which resulted in her isolation from other horses. That is another reason I want Dillon turned out in a herd as long as possible.
In my very limited experience, what you said IS true, that they get better. However, since I only have one other baby to count as experience, I figured it might have not been the norm.
Alicia
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 12:39 pm:
Don't worry Alicia, I saw daddy jump and he was a very talented sweet horse, bombproof I wouldn't say but you can work on that .
Jos
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 12:43 pm:
Sara I think it was a mother from Voltaire? Ellen's horse I mean, I suppose Alicia will have to herd sheep with him till he is bombproof?
[ Apart from showjumping to my enormous delight Sara's friend Ellen takes here young showjumpers to herd her sheep to the summerpastures in the mountains] [Should mention though Sara's Arabs seem to be doing a very good job with the sheep to!]
Jos
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 1:18 pm:
jos, sheepherding is what my DOGS are for ;) If anything, I would LOVE to do some mounted falconry.....
Also, bombproof for me and for most folks over here in the US, is the most important thing in an amateur mount. He may not be an amateur mount, however, but if he isn't, I won't be riding him, I'm too old! He will be sold
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 2:05 pm:
Alicia,
I'd say having a month old baby stay lying down while you love on him and his Mom suggests that he is not going to be whacko by any stretch of the imagination. Congrats on a beautiful boy.
Suzanne
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 2:37 pm:
Suzzane,
I have a strong feeling you are right. I think he may be the ONE
I just hope I am a good enough rider to bring out his best.
Alicia
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 3:54 pm:
Just make sure he is fed right and gets his exercise, vacinations, wormed, and handled right and he will really be something to be proud of imo. You've got a Keeper!
And, yes Jos, it's Ellen's lovely mare that is a Voltaire daughter. Alicia, you would love her also.
Oh, I wanted to mention that imo your mare's good disposition is very important. It's my opinion that a very large part of what the foals learn when it comes to how to react to people and things that happen to them is taught to them by the mare mostly by her example. I LOVE sweet, calm broodmares!
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 4:39 pm:
Sara,
Well, that won't work in this case, he is an embryo transfer, he has never met his genetic dam.
The recipient mare isn't nearly as nice as Lilly. As a matter of fact, she came off the kill truck. That is how this place gets it's recipient mares. If they are healthy and reproductively sound, they are OK. CJ isn't mean or anything, but you have to drug her to do her feet, she could really take or leave you unless you have treats, and she nails you if you touch her tail. I just hope nature is more than nurture in this case!
Alicia
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 9:39 pm:
Alicia, I am late to this discussion too. Your colt is very handsome and I love the pic of him rolling in the mud. Just curious, did he follow his mother's example and roll in the mud after her or did he find that muddy spot all on his own? I wonder what the recipient mare's full story is - how she ended up on the kill truck in the first place. She looks like a nice enough mare. Glad for her anyway that she's found a useful role and has gotten a second chance at life. Best wishes with your little one! He certainly has the look of a future champion.
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Posted on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 10:23 pm:
Alicia, poor mare; she's probably not had a lot of kind handling or good experience with humans. She looks like she's a good mother. Lilly's genetics will help I hope!
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Posted on Thursday, May 1, 2008 - 4:16 am:
You know Alicia, at the haras Brullemail they experimented with embryo transfer of their difficult mares in docile Standard breds the first are now two and three years of age.
Funny thing is they resemble in behaviour their natural mother much more then the recipient mare.
Not really scientific over about 10 tries but it gives hope to you doesn't it?
I must add they handle the foals from birth and make no exception with protesting or docile mommies.
Jos
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Posted on Thursday, May 1, 2008 - 11:14 am:
Jo Ann,
He found it all on his own, and that was the first time he had been out of the stall, three days old!
Sara,
Yes, she is good natured, just don't touch her feet or hind end!
jos,
That is REALLY good to hear! I do think he has her attitude so far, not spooky or scared of anything.
Alicia
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Posted on Thursday, May 1, 2008 - 9:45 pm:
Judging from the mud rolling episode I'll bet he turns out to be inquisitive, brave, and ... a lover of mud baths!
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Posted on Friday, May 2, 2008 - 10:54 am:
Alicia,
From the above posts, it seems like the majority of Voltaire's foals are "sane", and I'm sure yours will be as well. He is also a beautiful little boy.
However, I can attest that there is at least one Voltaire offspring out there that is "whacko". My neighbor across the street had a Voltaire colt. He was very sweet when he was little (I was there when he was born), but after 6 months he was downright dangerous. He would kick, bite or chase anyone. Shelly was going to keep him a stud, but ended up gelding him at about 8 months old. Unfortunately, this did not change his attitude. He even killed and ate a chicken (I'm not kidding).
She had a certified Parelli Trainer (that came highly recommended) come and try to work with him. He got nowhere with this horse and said he was the only horse he had ever worked with that he could not train.
Shelly kept this horse until he was 4 having different trainers come in and see what they could do. He proved to be untrainable or manageable. She ended up giving him away to a dressage trainer who could do nothing with him as well. That trainer ended up selling him and we have no idea where he is today. The dressage trainer said he wasn't right in the head.
The dam was a Oldenburg mare, who was doing 2nd level dressage. She was a very sweet horse that anyone could ride and a terrific mother. I have no idea how "Little Man" became the untrainable, dangerous horse he turned out to be. Maybe he was brain damaged, who knows...
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Posted on Friday, May 2, 2008 - 12:55 pm:
Karen,
Maybe these is one of those I have heard about. My other baby's dam put out one of those too, but my guy turned out fine with the same cross. It may be that since he is such a famous sire, folks can connect him to his babies easier? I just hope Dillon remains the way he is!
Alicia
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Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 - 12:43 am:
Alicia,
My apologies. I talked with my friend Shelly today and Voltaire was "Little Man's" grandsire. His sire was a Dutch stallion son of Voltaire named Paco.
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Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 - 3:30 am:
Voltaire bred for years about 300 mares a year. In the beginning and later on a little less but go figure in about 20 years of work how many offspring there must be... I am sure there are a few with bad to worse character and a lot who wouldn't immediately[without thorough training and perhaps some ageing] be a perfect trail horse.[no wonder they were first and foremost meant to be showjumpers with the occasional dressagehorse] I have seen many and most of the time would have taken them home without another thought. So I guess the bad luck of having a 'whacko' must be about the same as with most sires and dams.
On the other hand if with 'Oldenburg' you mean the Dutch stallion Oldenburg Karen, perhaps it would surprise you but I have seen loads of unmanageable to dangerous children of him. It is fair to say I have seen about the same amount of children with an adorable character[and beautiful head]
Jos
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Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 - 9:59 am:
I'm sure there is a bad apple here and there by most breeding stallions that service many mares. I just told a story about my friends experience. I know absolutely nothing about dressage, warmblood breeds, etc. However, I do admire the horsemanship I've seen on videos of dressage. I said Dutch Stallion because that was in front of Paco's name when I looked him up on the internet and Shelly told me her mare was an Oldenburg. Here is what is says about him. Oldenburg approved Dutch stallion Paco has completed his 100 day test in Prussendorf, Germany in 2000. A Son of the well known Dutch stallion Voltaire, places Paco in the same ranks as such horses as Foltaire (a member of the 2000 US Bronze Medal Dressage Team) and Kingston (CDS and USDF Horse of the year) and many more national and international jumping and dressage horses. On the dam's side Paco is out of a Burggraff mare (Landgraf, Ladykiller). Paco will start competing in dressage and jumping in 2001 and is destined to be a stallion of the future.3rd highest score RPSI 2001 stallion inspection.
Res. Champion Cornerstone - Training level
Res. Champion Dutch Warmblood L.A. Breeders Classic
Approved RPSI
Approved Oldenburg N.A.
Ask me just about anything about TWH and I'm a wealth of information. LOL. We all love our breeds. My other neighbor (these are past neighbors from California) raises Arabs. She had a Huckleberry Bay daughter that I guess was worth a lot of money (she had to be put down after colic surgery, she broke a leg getting up when the anesthetic wore off). She was absolutely gorgeous, but very spooky and couldn't be ridden on trail due to her very emotional personality. Janet now has an Apollopalooza daughter that just started her show career last year, is doing very well in the show ring and she's already been offered over $100K for her.
Go figure, I have a wonderful walker that has a gait to die for, no bad habits. She never takes a wrong step, you don't move in the saddle, she is beautiful, sound and loves the trail She is worth at least 1Mil (but only to me...LOL).
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Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 - 12:08 pm:
Old Dutch saying: Each horse is worth it's meat price and on top of that whatever an idiot will pay for her/him.
Paco seems to me of Dutch origins and appproved and registered in Oldenburg, which to complicate things is a part of Germany with it's own warmblood race aptly named Oldenburgers.
In Holland there was a stallion approved from Oldenburger origines called 'Oldenburg' beautiful grey horse but from time to time the characters were lets say less then bombproof...
Would love to know more about TWH because they are rare over here and my only experience with them was last year at Ilona's HA meeting, it was a short confrontation with the TWH and left me flabbergasted. I know I am not much of a rider but sooo bad?
Jos
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Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 - 1:53 pm:
Jos, Email me anytime (have my email address on my profile) and I can tell you everything you want or don't want to know about walkers. Don't know much of anything about other gaited breeds, but one day I will own my chocolate with white mane and tail RMH (my dream color).
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Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 - 7:23 pm:
Well, since the latest posts don't really apply to me, I will give an update on my boy.
He moved to his new home Friday with a few hiccups (they had to lift him onto the trailer, and he didn't like the soft barn flooring, but he went on after a few minutes). So, they have been turning them out longer and longer, and he will be out 12 hours a day by Tuesday. He looks even bigger today than last week. I really hope he doesn't get as big as his string test says. the only horses over 17 hands I have met are a string of lamenesses. Look at what happened today!
of course, he won't grow as fast, or be fed as much, or be started as early, so hopefully that will stave off anything bad happening!
Oh, he has started to eat grass, hay, and mom's feed, and apparently he wanted to stay out today when it was time to come in. mom was held by the gate, and he stayed at the other end of the 5 acre field. I hope they nip that one in the bud!
Alicia
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Posted on Sunday, May 4, 2008 - 3:58 am:
Sorry Alicia.
The chance of a big horse [very big] exists of course but mine are really big and [touch wood] you've never seen me in the lameness topics with them!
Apart from that I bred with a big TB mare with warmbloods for years and the foals grew so fast we thuoght they would end up in the camel or elephant department, but strangely most of them stopped getting higher at 2,5 year and just got more adult where our 'complete' warmbloods got higher until 5 or 6 years of age.
And staying alone in the paddock without panicking is also a GOOD sign apart from a pain when you need them indoors.
Jos
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Posted on Sunday, May 4, 2008 - 9:43 am:
I'm sorry too Alicia, I didn't mean to hijack your thread.
Your new baby is going to love playing around in a 5 acre field. I used to watch my now 2 year old running around our pasture, rearing up and playing with the other horses. I only wish I had a picture of the time she tried to hitch a ride on the back of my Grandson's bicycle (hard to picture, but both kid and filly were fine).
I exposed Rio to everything I could when she was small (including walking down the street, bagging her out, tarps, bridges,etc). I think it paid off because this year a hot air balloon landed in our pasture, while all the other horses ran in the opposite direction, Rio ran up to the balloon to check it out, see if there were any treats or if someone would pet her.
I think it's so important while they are young to expose them to as much as possible, then let them be a horse for a while.
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Posted on Sunday, May 4, 2008 - 12:42 pm:
Sorry, guys, I wasn't mad at all, you guys had some interesting things to talk about, after all ;)
jos,
Glad to hear you haven't had problems. I just want to make sure I take it easy with this guy. My last baby only made it to 16.1, and was 1/4 arab, so he was VERY hardy, and never lame except when his canon bone was fractured when he was kicked as a three year old. That healed fine too.
I just have experience with hunters, and I have only ever interacted with probably 10 percent of the horses being over 16.3. ALL of the ones I have personally interacted with eventually went lame and were retired, all in their teens or younger. These were not my horses, and I had nothing to do with their training, it is just what I have seen.
I do intend on backing him at 2, and walking him for a few months or so, then starting up at a trot at three. I have read recent studies saying a lot of slow work at a young age helps their bodies develop stronger and more able to handle work as the age.
I also intend on starting up ground work as early as possible, leading around, in hand work for the line, etc. I plan on keeping him whole as long as he proves himself worthy of remaining whole. If he ends up nice enough to be a stallion, I will probably end up selling him, I am not patient enough to handle a stallion.
Karen,
He is going to be allowed to be a horse his whole life if I have any choice in the matter! He will, of course, spend a few weeks a year as a show horse, but the rest of the time he will only have to work at the most an hour a day, the rest he will be allowed to be out as much as possible.
Alicia
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 11:33 am:
OK, more photos. These are from yesterday, 5.5 weeks old. He came up to me at the fence and let me scratch him and massage his muscles for over 15 minutes. Really friendly guy.
  
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 11:36 am:
More photos.
  
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 11:37 am:
More...  
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 11:38 am:
And a few photos of the field he will be turned out in and the barn he lives in.
 
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 12:03 pm:
He moves well doesn't he Alicia? And so far no reason for you to look for names as : Questionably easy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 12:20 pm:
Yes, he is very athletic for his age. He has his names, and I never name my horses after personality traits, as I find they live up to them, especially if they are negative!!
His show name is "Poetic".
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Posted on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 10:20 pm:
Boy is he ever growing. He is certainly one nice-looking colt and sounds as if he has a disposition to match. Is he starting to shed his foal coat around his eyes?
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Posted on Thursday, May 8, 2008 - 2:11 pm:
JoAnn,
Yes, he is, and he did not get any more white hairs. He had something like, I guess, 50 or so around each eye when he was born, and he still has those. He is shedding out dark bay, but I don't see any more white. Is it too early to say he won't grey?
Hey, can anyone tell me what his cowlicks say about him? I don't really beleive in it, but just curious what his "whorls" say.
Alicia
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 3:50 pm:
JoAnn,
Well, unfortunately, several hundred white hairs just appears on his forehead! I have some new photos to share from last weekend, when he got his first bath.
Here is me leading him out.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 3:56 pm:
Here is a conformation shot. He is butt high at this stage, but not NEARLY as bad as the rest of the TB babies his age at the barn!
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 3:57 pm:
Here is a shot of me kissing him which shows his head.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 3:58 pm:
Here is a shot of how he first responded to the cold water!
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 3:59 pm:
And here is how the session concluded, he actually had his head on Joy's shoulder at one point.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:01 pm:
Here is a shot showing how large he is getting compared to his surrogate dam.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:09 pm:
OK, and just for good measure, my puppies turned 1 year old on Flag Day. Here is a photo of each of them at one year.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:17 pm:
Love the pictures, Alicia, particularly the one of baby's first cold water bath . He's a beautiful foal, that's for sure.
Also love the puppy picture (only 1 up as I write this). Beautiful collie - I am particularly fond of the black ones (sable? is that right?).
All in all, I would say you have beautiful babies - equine & canine!
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:19 pm:
Here is her brother Peyton.
Both have won some classes but no points so far. I think they will both finish, though.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:25 pm:
Here is their brother Mackay.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:26 pm:
And here is their brother Duncan.
I don't have any recent shots of any of the other three.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 4:32 pm:
Fran,
Kenzie is actually a tri color, the other three I posted are, indeed, sable, technically "tri factor sable and white".
I am so glad we captured that shot! He was running around her a lot at first, she just kept talking calmly to him, and he eventually settled down. I was very happy with his reaction. Basically no evil, just a bit unhappy and a little scared, but he appears to trust his humans enough to eventually believe what we say is OK really IS OK
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 - 7:05 pm:
Alicia, what beautiful animals, dogs and horses alike! If you get tired of one of those collies, you can send me one. I had a tri-color when I was a child and loved him to death. They are wonderful dogs. Mine was very protective of me; my dad had to lock him in the beDrOom before he could yell at me if I had done something wrong!
Boy, that colt is lovely! And, he's getting so big. Love the bath shot. He must be quite sensible and smart to have settled down so nicely by the end of his bath.
btw...didn't you say something about your being old? Geesh, you look like you're maybe 30!
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 - 4:12 am:
I can't choose which pictures I like most! I think the foal bath but the dog on the sofa is a winner too.
Did you keep all the young dogs? That would be a solution for not being able to separate from 'the kids' now why didn't I think about that before I got a male dog .
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 - 2:08 pm:
Sara,
Thank you!! If you really want one, you can be on my waiting list for my next litter, which is planned for the first time Kenz goes into heat after she turns two, which should be the fall of next year. I haven't picked a sire yet, but there are very few out there who are pure for sable, so I will probably get 3/4 tris and 1/4 tri factors.
Yes, everyone says he is very sensible. Nice thing to have in a horse at any age! Can't say that I've ever had that before ;)
I just turned 40 almost exactly a month ago and boy am I feeling it. Thanks for the compliment, though!
Jos,
No, I only kept two of the 7 puppies. The four I sent photos of are my two and two that I keep in close touch with. They, Mackay and Duncan, are also showing. Mackay has a few points already.
I really don't have the time for any more than I have now. I think 4 is my limit while I am still working full time. I could handle more with a part time job, but that is probably NEVER going to happen! I just LOVE these guys, they are so sweet, loving, smart, and fun to be around, not to mention nice to look at
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Posted on Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 - 3:11 pm:
I would love to have one of your collies, but (BIG BUT!) I have two dogs already, and that's plenty for now. They are beautiful, however.
Ha! As to age; wait another 20+ yrs. before you start complaining!
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Posted on Monday, Aug 25, 2008 - 12:50 pm:
OK, another set of photos, this time on the Ritz camera site. Saves me time and you can see the photos in full resolution. There are photos of Dillon, Harper, my 4 Collies Breannan Kate Kenzie and Peyton along with Mackay and Duncan, two more of the pups.
https://www.ritzpix.com/net/Albums/ListImages.aspx?s=0A276393D21CCCD2F7699DCF90BE 26BC6F9936E35251B07A6ABDEBEE052E5A16&e=B518C5A1101171350479EC17EF47ABD34F3983EDD DCB9F2D2EEA47AC463C14DF369057E9D84C61F6538E6BD075273C5C5306FAE01834A0B7CDFE51F37 A94CBE2
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Posted on Monday, Aug 25, 2008 - 9:10 pm:
Dillion Is VERY handsome and growing so fast. He has that "look' IN HIS EYE. I bet he can be a handful at times.
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 26, 2008 - 6:29 am:
He is a character I bet. His head resembles his uncle Concorde [Voltaire x Marco Polo] more than his father I think or perhaps his mother has the same look in her eyes!
Don't worry apart from being a GP Showjumper himself I saw some fabulous dressage horses of Concorde to!
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 26, 2008 - 10:10 am:
Actually, he is the quietest baby in the barn. Everyone loves him. He is SOOO easy to handle, easier at this age than my 5 year old gelding is. He stands quietly for grooming, leads well, loads, stands for baths, is great for the farrier. When something scares him, he stands still to inspect it as opposed to bolting. He is very laid back.
I have a picture of his mom in this post, look up a few pages, she is the only grey on the page. She was the easiest horse to handle I have ever had, and it seems she passed that on to Dillon.
I think Concorde is lovely. I can't say who Dillon looks like in the photos, but he sure does look like his daddy's photos in person.
He can be whatever he wants to be, but I would prefer dressage or hunter, not jumper and especially not eventing! I am too chicken to do higher than 3'6" If he wants to be one of those types, he will go to someone who can show him off to his best potential, though I have a feeling he will be going to someone better than me even in dressage or hunter, but at least I can still ride him at lower levels in those sports.
He is going to a keuring in two weeks. I just hope we can get him to trot!
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 12:13 am:
OK, Dillon is now a yearling. Here are some current photos. He is still very easy going. Falls asleep in his stall while the vet is there, was great for his first body clipping. He is currently 15 hh at the withers, so if he is 90% done, will be around 16.2 or 3.
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 9:41 am:
Wow, what an elegant colt! Very handsome, and sounds like a sweetheart, too.
How did the keuring go last fall? Did he trot? I know the anxiety about that--my Cleo went to warmblood inspections when she was a weanling and we couldn't get her to trot at liberty!(she would walk or canter only) She had amazing scores on the lead, etc., but the judge said "I can't score what I can't see." So Cleo missed Supreme rating by a quarter of a point. Funny part is, she has a beautiful trot!
Hope yours went better!
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 10:51 am:
I see no Fuglies here on this yearling.. ! He is maturing nicely.. is he graying ??
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 11:39 am:
Erika,
Well, the dutch judges seemed a bit predjudiced against the hunter type. He won his class of three, but didn't get first premium. The judge said "this colt exhibits perfect hunter type, and we give him second premium." I was a bit pissed.
He did trot, very nicely, but not animated and unbalanced as all the other babies I saw did. they chased them around with a plastic bag, and he was not scared of it, so he just meandered around at the trot. He can move better than he did, but he is just not easy to motivate. that I think will be the hardest part about him, convincing him that putting out effort is worth his while! This guy is so laid back if I saw him without knowing him I would suspect he is on drugs.
Ann, either greying or is a roan. We aren't entirely sure yet. This lady is a pro handler, and she has a program where she exercises them to develop the topline and feeds for shine in the coat. He is living with her over the summer, hopefully to year end placing in hunter conformation, then I have to find a home for an intact colt in my area, which so far I have no bites for!
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 11:41 am:
Wow, he's beautiful! He sure looks laid back, ie, my kind of horse! I'd love to see him move. Got any videos?
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 11:50 am:
What you are not keeping him?? I had a friend just buy a lovely yearling filly and stole her actually.. great blood lines , champion filly at her HANO inspections.. she is having her shipped from N.CA to Virginia .. I have a riding horse listed , not a bite.. it is a buyer market, be forewarned..
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 12:39 pm:
Jo Ann,
I just asked Emily to make a few for me, the only one I have is of his inspection and the quality was horrible.
Ann,
As of now, yes, I am keeping him. I don't plan on gelding him yet, though, so I am looking for a place that will accept him as a colt as opposed to a gelding!
If he is good enough to remain intact, he will be for sale, as I don't have the temperament to deal with a stallion, nor the time or money!
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 1:30 pm:
Alicia, I hope this doesn't sound judgemental, but I have a very well bred yearling (yes Ann, picked him up for about 1/3 of the stud fee) and people tell me I'm nuts to geld him. He is stallion quality in the reined cow horse world, but I will be selling him and stallions as a rule don't live a very good life in the horse world. Isolation and confinement are routine. And as Ann says, the market is oversaturated with horses and many of them are stallions that would make really nice geldings, or are offspring of these stallions. That is contributing to the over supply of horses and the tragedies resulting. Mine will be gelded before he's offered for sale. I won't contribute to the over population problem. And if I end up keeping him, I'll have an extremely nice gelding.
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Posted on Sunday, Mar 29, 2009 - 5:14 pm:
Alicia, we never gelded colts that weren't a bother, with his pedigree and apparent good /calm character you can imo wait with gelding until he is three. He will mature nicely[a little bit of a 'studdy' look will do well on him I think, and most of the dressagepeople I have known preferred if well mannered a later gelded or even kept stallion male] We never isolated or kept them single with a gelding another yearling male or even a pregnant mare he will do fine!
I personally don't like gelding those big yearlings it is I think just what you are used to!
Jos
PS He looks fine!
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Posted on Monday, Mar 30, 2009 - 12:16 am:
jos,
Thanks, I agree with you. Since I have been in dogs for a few years, I have come to the conclusion that gelding animals is not better for them physically, it is mainly better for us humans. If he remains sane and happy, I hope to keep him whole as long as I can. If he turns out to be a bad boy or not "good enough" to be a stallion, I hope to be able to wait till at least 2 to geld him.
By the way, folks, I did not want this to turn into a discussion about anything other than my cute little boy, I think if we want to talk about the bad and good things about gelding, spaying (equine or canine), etc, we should start a new conversation about that particular topic, am I right?
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Posted on Monday, Mar 30, 2009 - 12:49 am:
Alicia it's a pleasure to see such a well-handled and nicely turned-out young horse! I loved the mud rolling shots, but this presentation shows him off better. You must be very pleased with your "little" guy.
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Posted on Monday, Mar 30, 2009 - 10:43 am:
Wow, Alicia, he's really turned from a cute baby into a handsome yearling. With my only baby experience being in Quarter Horses, a 15hh yearling looks HUGE to me!
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Posted on Friday, Apr 10, 2009 - 1:41 pm:
Well, I got to see him in person yesterday. He is a little handful! I have video of him and will post when I get around to it. I have decided to geld him, as the nipping is getting more prominent, and he is VERY nice, but I think he will be happier and easier to manage as a gelding. As for now, he is on Depo as he has one testicle still up there. He will be shown over the summer, then I need to find him a good home here near me in the fall.
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Posted on Saturday, Apr 11, 2009 - 11:34 am:
Congratulations!
He is gorgeous.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 3, 2009 - 2:37 pm:
Dillon got gelded about three weeks ago and was let out last week. Apparently, he went to work gathering rocks and dumping them in his water bucket. Apparently, the next step in this game is to spook from the splash, then go find another rock and do it again. Strange little guy. Here are some photos of him. He is the one with the just one white sock and the grey showing on his bay coat. There is one other bay with a white hind, but that one is a richer bay.
He won both his non TB yearling classes at this show. Apparently, he looks a lot better now, and Emily is going to hire someone to take photos at his next show in July, so I will post again when I get them.
https://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=4681903.
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Posted on Wednesday, Jun 3, 2009 - 2:54 pm:
very handsome..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 - 5:26 am:
Dillon comes home from his first circuit this Sunday. If anyone will be at the MD horse and pony show Sunday, he will be going in the MD futurity and the yearling boys classes. He is a bay roan right now. I will be there to watch, then take him home.
I will be taking more pictures and video!
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 - 7:56 am:
Alicia, I can't wait to see updated pictures! Best of luck to both of you on Sunday.
~Sara
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 - 8:13 am:
Sara,
Don't worry, there will be many photos
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