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Discussion on IRISH DRAUGHT...Imogen, Catherine or anyone with knowledge of this breed
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Jul 25, 2008 - 2:33 pm:
I am breeding my Appendix mare next year to an RID. Hoping for nice, solid field hunter.
I am looking at a King of Diamonds son, called Flagmount King. He has Errigal on top and bottom of his papers.
I adore the Irish draughts but dont know much about them as far as pedigrees and such. Any info, advice or interesting tidbits about them would be appreciated 
Leslie
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akila
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 6:49 am:
Hi, it would really depend on who your Appendix Mare is by (if it is the same term as that we use here in Ireland, Appendix Irish Draught I am assuming you are talking of?).Touch of the Blues who I think is in Kansas would bring a lovely line in as he is by Blue Rajah (by Blue Peter), if that line is an outcross to your own mare? Have you checked out the Irish Draught Horse website (www.irishdraught.com) in the US - I also like the look of Tors Murphy McGinty - who is by Roma Diamond Skip - good bone and looks to have a lovely jump.
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 9:17 am:
Hi Akila,
Thanks for the response I really appreciate it.
My mare is a quarterhorse/TB. Appendix quarter horse. Sorry about not explaining it better. She is a Very typey looking hunter. She moves very flat kneed/ daisy cutter. A nice comfy ride.
Ive always wanted an RID but they are out of my price range. I think she would cross nicely with one.
Ive been all over the irishdraught website... LOL I cant decide !!!! I cant wait to check ou the names you mentioned!
Leslie
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akila
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:16 pm:
Hi, I thought it may be different terminology. That leaves the field wide open for you in terms of Irish Draughts then - and they are wonderful horses so will bring temperament, strength and courage to the cross. You can take a look at our own mares (Irish Draughts) at https://laragh-horses.wetpaint.com/ I am in Ireland so the sires I have used are miles away - but out of interest you may want to look....
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:20 pm:
OOOO!! I really liked the Touch of Blues, but he isnt standing to outside mares.
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akila
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:48 pm:
That is a real pity .... sorry to hear that.
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akila
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 3:56 pm:
Another one I like your side of the world is Huntingfield Proud Tim, I am using his brother Huntingfield Heathcliff, this year with one of my mares. Take a look at him.
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akila
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:00 pm:
All of this is just presenting you with different options. Flagmount King is a wonderful stallion, he used to stand not far from us and I have been to see him. He is a lovely sire and a great temperament. And some jump on him. I was unaware that frozen semen was still available from him as he is no longer covering naturally.
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:00 pm:
OH wow Akila I love Clasina! What a beautiful mare. And have a feeling that filly by her and Cloneen clover is going to be spectacular.
I also love Annabelle! I bet she always has beautiful babies. Mind if I post some pictures of some of the stallions Im looking at, in the next couple of days? maybe you could tell me what you think
leslie
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:11 pm:
I had to look at the RID studs, I have met and took care of 1 of them at the eventing barn I worked at, and am familiar with the offspring of another. They were both crossed with TB's.
Ryd's Sea Quest was stationed at our barn for about 3 yrs. The horse was put together well, but quite frankly he was an A$$. His offspring carried the trait also, and honestly were not put together well. He could jump the moon tho, I actually got to ride him a couple times. The trainers nickname for him was "stumpy" because he was dumb as a stump and very hard to get something into his head.(stay away from that one) imho
The other one was Mountain Pearl, his offspring were put together well and had the best dispositions. Very trainable and smart. I was going to recommend looking into him, but I see they exported him back to Ireland in 2007.
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:21 pm:
Fox n Firkin farm is where to get frozen Flagmount semen...(say that 10 times as fast as you can LOL)
I think they are in Illinois. I stumbled upon it by accident inquiring about a Uibh Fhaili son. I guess frozen Flagmont is pretty good...they said its been known to settle mares with only 25% of a french straw....
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:32 pm:
Thanks Diane...LOL stumpy! I will stay away from him. I want something that will add a little bone and complement my mare. She is very sane and even tempered.
Ive always heard that the ID's are sweet and smart and very hearty...I guess like people...there has to be "one" in every bunch!
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akila
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 4:51 pm:
Mountain Pearl is indeed back here - which is god for us but not for you! Please post some of the stallion pics I would be more than happy to look at them. Clasina had her foal Friday 25th so have a pics of her up - a filly foal!!! Great - as we have been looking for one from Cloneen Clover because of the rare bloodlines on one side.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 5:20 pm:
Tors Murphy McGinty is located about 5 miles from me. I see him standing in the pasture often, he looks to be put together well and his babies look awful nice too....driving by.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 5:30 pm:
OHHHHH I remember now, "Murphy" stayed at our barn for awhile He was VERY nice! The whole name was throwing me
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 6:00 pm:
Diane,
Im totally confused, Which one was the Stump?
L
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 6:08 pm:
Ryd's Sea Quest is stumpy! AKA Jack for Jack A$$. Can you tell we were not impressed!
I saw earlier in the post Akila mentioned Tors Murphy Mcginty as being nice, and for some reason it rang a bell somewhere in the crevices of my brain...that's why. He is located right around the corner almost! When we took care of him we called him Murphy
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canderso
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 7:41 pm:
Hi all,
Before I start commenting I am going to let everyone know I am the registration officer for the Irish Draught Horse Society of Canada.
So keeping that in mind...
Leslie - Have you been to https://www.irishdraught.com/#stallions yet? That is the site for IDHS(NA), which is the Irish Draught branch for the USA. You will see there are a large number of RID stallions available in the US. The site shows that the agent for Flagmount King (frozen) is:
Brian Gwartz
Fox N Firkin Farms
PMB 616, 8502 E. Chapman Ave
Orange, CA 92869
USA
714-744-4220
Fax: 714-538-2757
Email: radiodr@earthlink.net
Website: www.jumphigher.net
Re Rhyd's Sea Quest. Diane - if he was at your barn then you know he hasn't had the consistent (i.e., same barn) upbringing that so many stallions need. That MUST have affected his personality. I do know that the owner is now very interested in getting his career going again, maybe that will mean some stability. I have not seen as many of his get as maybe you have, but the ones that I have seen have been sweet horses.
There is a fantastic stallion in Hamilton Ontario by the name of Garryowen of Suma. See https://www.ontariobreedersproductionsale.com/stallions/shaun.html He is a Pride of Shaunlara baby and has had quite the history. His breeding is outstanding and he has an unbelievable conformation, an incredible brain and personality. I have seen many of his babies and he puts a definite stamp on his get.... in a good way.(I plan to breed my mare to him, if I can work it out!) The owner, Barbara, has forgotten more about breeding than most of us will ever learn.
"Shaun's" son, Deja Vu, is an approved ISH stallion and is currently competing in 4' jumpers. A little lighter in bone but the same terrific front end and same great brain.
I am a huge fan of Silver Granite (I have had 3 babies, sold one, still have two. Great brains, great movement, great conformation). You can get him frozen through https://www.westglenfarm.net/.
Nikko also stands In Shining Armor (RID), who is the first canadian bred, approved RID stallion. "Thatcher" is supposed to be a total sweetie, though I haven't met him myself.
There are other stallions in Canada - I realize that to be politically correct I should mention them all, but I do not know them well enough to comment about their suitability to breed field hunters. But do check out https://www.idhs.ca/stallions.cfm for more information.
Hope this helps. You can email me separately if you wish.
Cheers,
Cheryl
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 8:03 pm:
Cheryl, yes I do know "Jacks" back round and it wasn't a very consistent one at all.
When he arrived at our barn he was a complete nightmare. When he was in consistent training, he actually wasn't too bad, like most stallions they need a job. He was also very young when I met him.
I still think he has a bit of a "bad attitude" though, and so have all of his get, around here anyway. He and his get are quite sweet, but very unpredictable IMO.
He finally had settled down and was OK and getting better, when he was shipped off again somewhere for 6 mos. Once again he was a complete idiot upon returning. In a way I felt sorry for him, he was a very nicely put together boy and a nice mover. I was not impressed with his get however, although I will say IMO the mares weren't the greatest either.
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leslie1
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Posted on Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 - 9:01 pm:
Wow Cheryl Thanks! What a very cool story about Shaun. I love it that he passed inspection at 19! And he is gorgeous.
I have so many to look up tomorrow! Ill be probably be posting more questions in the next few days.LOL
Thanks to everyone for their input.I really love hearing the stories, advice and opinions.
Blessed are the IRISH broodmares
Leslie
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imogen
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 2:52 am:
Hi all
I think all I can contribute is a little background on temperament. Diane's Stumpy is from a line not known for their marvellous temperament (Sea Crest) although great jumpers.
I had a Silver Granite and she was a good jumper and mover but not 100% on the temperament front - I do not think that was the line, I bought her from a dealer and did not know her upbringing.
Flagmount King I think would be a good bet. I like Blue Rajah/Blue Peter line (have seen some lovely ones at the RDS). Anything that was bred by Suma Stud is worth looking at including offspring of Huntingfield Rebel although they tend to have big heads.
Cheryl knows I am a big fan of Grange Bouncer but he is not a "typ-ey" RID - better for eventing/sport horse crosses and not available frozen as far as I know.
Catherine likes offspring of Glidawn Diamond line.
All the above are based on your mare not being RID - if you have a draught mare you must take advice on avoiding inbreeding. For Irish breeders this advice is available from eg Norman Storey at Teagasc Kildalton.
Imogen
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leslie1
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 11:19 am:
Thanks Imogen... I appreciate the advice on temperment. As Im breeding for my own personal field hunter I think temperment is going to be (next to soundness ) the main quality I will look for. Its reallly too bad about Rhyd Sea Quest cuz he is really gorgeous IMHO. He caught my eye 
I just read DrOs repro page ---My mare is a maiden,age 7... so I will need to use fresh chilled. Which really limits my options. Here are some pictures of a few more that caught my eye Availble to be shipped fresh. These are the best pictures I could find.
Also, If anyone is interested, The fox and firkin website/ email info is outdated. The breeding manager name is Rowen, and the email address is: fnffarm@sonic.net.
murphy
Steeped In luck
This is my mare...not a very good picture
This is fox n firkin horse Johnny diamond mine
Heres a Very well bred/very nice temperment/big bone QH Hunter Hes 17.2....Indiant Artbeat out of World champ Indian Artifacts.
K guys, Please feel free to critique!!!
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leslie1
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 11:22 am:
LOL my mare looks twig necked...
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akila
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 11:59 am:
True enough what Imogen says - anything that comes from Suma Stud would be worth looking at. My personal preference from the pics you have put up would be for Murphy. Garryowen of Suma however looks brilliant, so if he is an option put him on your list (which by now must be so long your head is spinning!). Good luck with it all.
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leslie1
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 1:57 pm:
Hers another pic of murphy! He does look nice
It probably a good thing I dont live where Diane does cuz Id probably be driving by checking him out all the time. LOL
....Then again, it would make the AI easier ...
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 3:24 pm:
Leslie he is actually on my route scheduled for Thurs. (the rattlesnake route), If he is out and about I'll check him out for you and if I can remember to take my camera...snap some pics, if you'd like. The meter is right next to his pen
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leslie1
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 5:00 pm:
WOw diane that is so nice! Thank you sooo much!
Super cool of you, but Please dont get yourself in any trouble!
Leslie
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 5:52 pm:
No Problem I won't get in trouble, I know the owner a little, she had all of her horses at our barn for 6 mos. or better while she was building her farm. He is usually outside, when I do that route. I THINK there are a few of his babies there also. Just got to remember my camera
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erika
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 - 9:33 am:
Leslie, I happen to like the QH stallion in your picture above. Your pretty mare looks like a nice match with him. Love that QH mind, too.
Having hunted most of my life, I too, was hoping to breed my ideal field hunter. Unfortunately she got NONE of her mother's fabulous jump (daughter can knock down the sturdiest of cavaletti!).
Are you SURE you can't find your ideal hunter already in existence? I won't breed again, and any youngster I've ever bought cost me more to raise and train than a good "made" horse.
I have touted the Am-Can association (hate the name, btw. Always reminds me of Kal Kan dog food!)here before. Great source for field hunter types. I know several that are hunting successfully--and the price is usually right.
It is an adventure breeding on your own, but I am convinced to let the pros handle it and show me what they end up with.
Good luck either way!
Erika
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erika
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 - 9:37 am:
Oh, I just looked at your profile. Lucky you to live in Lexington! Love it there. I call it Disney World for Horse lovers!
I bought my wonderful jumper there!
Erika
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leslie1
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Posted on Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 - 6:34 pm:
Hi Erika
I definitely would NOT breed if I could get my hubby to cough up 10K+.
LOL, he prefers me to nickel and dime it outta him 
PS Lexington is so cool! everything is horsey. lotsa equine art and larger than life statues even in shopping center parking lots. I do love it here.
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leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 - 6:59 pm:
CherylA,
Have you heard of this horse?
Bridgeford Markham Moor / Greylyn Stud
Irish Draught Horse Registration # F/823/M/0022
I think hes in Brinston Ontario Canada, but cant find much on him.
Im narrowing it down...Murphy (if hes really 17hh?), Huntingfield Pround Tim (has 10 3/4 bone), and Silver Galtee IDSh.
I would have picked the Suma stallion just to have a "Suma" bred...and his conformation seems spot-on... but Im pretty sure they only ship frozen.
Cant wait to hear from dianeE as I bet she really checked him out for me Its like having someone on the inside!
Im wondering why one website on a stallion will say 17.2 hh and another website will say the same horse is 16.3? Are they fibbing a'lil? ...just curious about the discrepancy.
Have a good one,
Leslie
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 - 9:40 pm:
Leslie I wasn't able to check out Murphy today it was storming so bad . I am in that area tomorrow again, so hopefully the weather will co operate.
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leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 - 10:16 pm:
No Prob Diane, not in amy hurry.
have a great day
L
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canderso
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:12 am:
Hi Leslie,
Sorry for delay - I am in Ireland now!
Yes I have heard of him - he is actually in my area. Neither of the Greylyn stallions passed inspection for breeding stock, one has been shown to pass on his fault consistently, the other in some cases only. I cannot recommend either of them. Please email me at cheryl_anderson@toldyne.com for more information.
(sorry to be so formal, but in this case, I have to be!!)
Cheers,
Cheryl
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canderso
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:26 am:
Yikes - more questions to answer! Sorry!
Barbara has shipped Shaun cooled in the past, but he is getting up in age so his motility may not be the best. But please don't breed him because of a name. Choose the best stallion for your mare.
Others will know more than me, but you should think about whether it is a good idea for a maiden mare to breed to a horse that has a huge amount of bone. You will already have extra worries because she is maiden and you are a proud mamma - do you really want to complicate with a worries about an oversized foal?
Also (and this is where I am going to get TOTALLY trashed in the ID community!!!) be careful about just how big you are trying to breed. You could end up with a very heavy, clunky looking and clunky moving 'cart horse'.
I hear that breeding QH to ID is a tricky business. You might want to check out breeders who use QH mares and talk to them about it.
As for declared height - well that is one of the more entertaining aspects of horses, isn't it? I have run dressage shows and am hugely amused by how horses apparently grow and shrink from one year to the next, simply because fashion has changed. Big horses are now 'in' so suddenly all those 16'2 horses are 17hh!
Cheers,
Cheryl
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 6:52 am:
Leslie, I had forgotten until I read Cheryls post. At the barn they had bred a tb to "Jack" she died right after giving birth, because the foal was so big. She is right, after that experience I would think hard about breeding a maiden to a big stallion. We also had one that the foal died after a hard birth and the mare was at a vets for the birth. (she was bred to Mountain Pearl)
Out of 5 maiden mares that were bred that year to a RID stallion 4 had problems. They were tb. mares. 2 foals died and 1 mare, directly related to foal size.
Not trying to discourage you, but something to ponder.
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 8:54 am:
Wow I had wondered about that! And Im inclined to agree with you. I had tried to do some research and found some info on a draft breeders site(maybe biased???)...
"The size of the fetus at birth is often determined more by the mare's uterine capacity than by genetics, although genetics do kick in once the foal has been born.
In one bit of research at Colorado State University, a Shetland pony mare was inseminated with semen from a draft horse stallion. The pony mare delivered a small foal during a normal birth, but the foal soon outgrew it's mother once it was on the ground and nursing."
Is it strictly a maiden mare problem? Hmmm, both Silver Galtee (ISH)and the QH Indian Artifacts are lighter boned compared to The RIDs. Althou both are tall. My mare is 16 hh.
bummer.
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imogen
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 10:42 am:
From an aesthetic point of view if you breed RID to non-RID, you may also better to go light or medium bone stallion, otherwise there is a risk of getting a seriously awful looking animal with a long body and short legs. I've seen a few horse-dachsunds in darkest west Cork...
Cheryl are you going to the RDS? What day? I was trying not to go because I am skint, but I am so peeved at having had to hold the fort at work while all my colleagues are on holiday that I might go after all... Are you meeting up with Catherine?
Imogen
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:03 pm:
Thanks guys! I appreciate your knowledge of the RIDs. And your advice... I knew the nicker sister wouldnt let me down. I think I will stay safe and breed to Silver Galtee. He is IDSH. he looks to lighter boned. It says hes 16.3hh so my guess is he probably 16.1. And he looks lighter boned than the RIDs Ive been considering.
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 4:31 pm:
Hi Leslie, I stooped by haywire, where Murphy is and he wasn't in his regular pen, there was a huge tree blown down in there, I DrOve around a bit and ran into the owner and he took me to see Murphy and 4 of his get....3 2yr.olds and a yearling.
I forgot my camera!!! Anyway the owner said Murphy had 10 in. canon bones. He was more the old style RIDs heavy and a tiny bit short backed(imo), but other than that very nice, good personality.
He said he was going to lower his stud fee in the fall, because of the downturn in the horse industry.
We then went and looked at the young ones, The owner was VERY partial to the yearling gelding (gray), he said his personality and movement were great and he was VERY sweet, Ish yearlings always look ugly to me so I can't comment on him, but his full brother was beautiful and put together well $3500.
Then there was a chestnut filly 2 yr. old she has been bitted and saddled, but not yet started, she was VERY nice and a eye catcher IMO. He said she had a very willing personality also and would be perfect for what you want as far as build. $3500
There was another 2 yo gelding he said was a handful and needed more handling and could be difficult.
I asked about maiden mares and he said they had a much harder time settling them with shipped semen, and did have 1 that had problems where the foal died.
He said in the fall the 3 2yr olds are going to Kentucky to be broke then turned out at his farm there.
He also said in his opinion it's probably cheaper in the long run to buy one of the babies, that way you also get what you want (hopefully)
It was a fun tour! He said he would put the babies on his website or you could e-mail him for more pics of Murphy and the young ones.
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 5:15 pm:
PS The owner said Murphy was 16.2 hh and I just realized you live in Kentucky where the 2 yo are going this fall, you might want to check them out...the price seems right.
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 8:32 pm:
AWWWWWsome!! Diane you rock!!! I am going to call him Monday!!! I can not wait to see the 2 year olds! That is a great price! thanks so very much!!!
Yeahhh!! THANK YOU, thank you, thank you for doing that!!
Leslie
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scooter
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 9:23 pm:
Your welcome, I actually had fun! Nothing like looking at horses when you should be working.
The other 2 yr. old was nice also a gelding, I think he was going to be gray also. He thought he would be a little heavy boned for what you want.
He said the filly was the only one that was registered as a sport horse at this time.
She was a deep chestnut with one white sock and a blaze (I think). Really sharp looking I thought, and a little more refined than the geldings. He said he has weighted the stirrups but never got on her... They go to Kentucky to be broke then turned out, as he said their knees aren't closed yet so he doesn't like to "ride" them when they are too young. She was about 15.2 hh and he thought she would finish around 16-16.1 hh. The boys were a little taller. except the yearling of course.
The other gray 2 yo...the bigger boned guy was nice also. He said he had been saddled and bitted too and was a good guy. He might interest you.
I told the guy you wanted a hunter/jumper and he thought the filly fit in that category better.
I told him you were from Pa. though...don't know where I got that from.
I didn't even ask the guy who he was I took for granted he was the owner and not the trainer, because he was getting mail out of the owners mailbox, and he said HE had a farm in Ky. I've only met the wife before and not the husband....he was VERY nice. Let me know how you make out.
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erika
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Posted on Friday, Aug 1, 2008 - 9:41 pm:
Diane, you DO rock! One of the things I love so much about this site.
Leslie, I hope you find your ideal horse. Trust me, it is SO much easier than trying to breed for it! With the state of the economy, and horse industry in general, you should be able to find some lovely horses with the right price tag.
BTW, before when I mentioned the Am-Can horses, I meant Can-Am! I owned a beautiful driving horse from one of the breeders associated there. They even delivered for free! Here's their website:
https://www.canamsporthorses.com/
What fun to be able to check out the ones Diane previewed for you. How much better can you get than right in your state?(And three years earlier than you can breed yourself, right?)
Can't wait to see what you end up with!
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dres
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 - 9:58 am:
HOllY COW.. them are some incredibly low prices... you can't breed and get a foal on the ground when paying for semen/ shipping / vet checks and feeding for 11 months that price!~ You don't get the element of surprise or the satisfaction of it coming from your mare... BUT!~ you also get what you want with straight legs etc..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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leslie1
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 - 1:30 pm:
This is so unbelievable!
My hubby said ok to spending 3500!!! I emailed the guy to have him send pictures. I will wait to buy, until I see them (of course), in person, this fall!! But, this is such a fantastic turn of events!!!
I seriously cant thank everyone enough, ESPECIALLY DIANE. Without you taking the time to stop and talk to the owners I would have never known. So very cool, nicker sister!
Its been my dream to buy one for several years now. But Ive never seen one in my price range!
I cant wait to see them. Im holding my breath and keeping my fingers crossed! I will show the pictures under Images when I get them
I appreciated ALL the advice given! Everyone on HA is very thoughtful and caring to each other. That's what I like about this site
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kstud
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 - 3:15 pm:
Hi Leslie,
I am delighted that you are going to be able to buy a horse, believe me it is soooooo much easier than breeding. My computer is playing up and so I have only found this post and can only reiterate what has already been said. I run a foaling barn here and would never advise anyone to use either a draught or warmblood stallion on a maiden mare of different breed. In my experience nature does not always take care that the foal fits, though perhaps nutrition also plays a large part.
I would also be hesitant about a quarter horse/draught mix, as Imogen so rightly put it, you could get a daschund! Both the draught and QH can be inclined to short necks, broad shoulders, barrel bodies and high knee action, which is probably not what you are looking for. It would be safest to breed your mare to a TB or QH first which will give you an idea of the quality that she gives to a foal. Personally though I think that you cannot beat buying a true Draught. My horse is 3/4 ID and 1/4 TB and he is so easy, so talented and so fun, I am very lucky.
Best of luck Catherine
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paardex
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 - 4:22 pm:
Clearly my answer to your other post was unnecessary! So glad for you and Diane if you've had enough with all the snakes you know where your next job lies!
Jos
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scooter
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 2, 2008 - 6:56 pm:
Leslie I hope one of them works out for you, I was partial to the mare, with the gray 2 yr. old gelding a close second....but everyone has their own taste.
Tell hubby if it works out you just saved him a couple thousand dollars.
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scooter
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 3, 2008 - 9:20 pm:
Leslie did you get the pics? I was browsing the RID website and found these pics of two of the 2 yr. olds this is the one the owner said can be difficult. He was all over me and very friendly so don't know what he means by "difficult" The chestnut filly looks quite a bit like him,but not a "heavy"
https://www.irishdraught.com/horses/gallery.php?type=more&hunid=5800
This one looks quite a bit like the other one, not sure if it is or not.
https://www.irishdraught.com/graphics/horses/001526.jpg
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Posted on Monday, Aug 4, 2008 - 8:52 am:
Leslie, I know you're set on an RID, but my friend has a gorgeous 8yo, big Perch/TB that has hunted two seasons, jumps 3'6" easily. You can start hunting tomorrow (well, after opening day anyway)!
Let me know if you're interested in more info. Anyone else is welcome to inquire, too.
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Posted on Monday, Aug 4, 2008 - 9:05 am:
Hi
I got the pictures thank you very much...and joseph sent me some this morning too
here are the pictures of the fillies
heres colt
I like the bay filly Im estatic!!!
I cant wait to see them in person next month! He has to drive thru my town to get to his place in KY which is 30 minutes away. So I will be making the trip there. whoot!!!! Im going to call him later and ask him what they are crossed with
Leslie
I am very very very happy
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Posted on Monday, Aug 4, 2008 - 10:14 am:
I called him and am going to meet him at the end of August He said the fillies are sweet, the chestnut colt is a turd. LOL.
They all are TB/RID. I really liked the bay filly for a fox hunter. But he doesnt have the papers on her dam. Does that mean she cannot be registered with IDSH? Even though Murphy is registered RID...I thought with one parent RID then the foal was still registerable as Irish sport horse.
Thanks again to all.
Diane, you must of made one heck of an impression on him 
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Posted on Monday, Aug 4, 2008 - 9:14 pm:
I hope it was a good impression! He had me confused.
He was calling the gelding a filly and the filly a gelding and they were crawling all over me(very friendly)and I would correct him and say no that's a gelding...finally I gave up!!!
I thought the bay was a gelding. That's the one I called the gray gelding above...confused yet???
ANYWAY that bay filly (gray gelding)LOL., is VERY nice, bigger boned than even the gelding. Her full brother was very nice and I think he fox hunts him.(if I understood him right) She was probably close to 15.3. I didn't get as close a look at her as the other two, because the chestnuts were busy kissing me..
I will say I don't think the pictures do any of them justice. I also think you could talk him down a bit on price..he seems to be feeling the horse industry pinch. And if you like one the shipping is basically free too.
This is just what I remember from the barn I worked at....and you see how good my memory is.
I THINK the mare has to be registered to register the foal IDSH, AND I think it has to be some kind of warmblood...I don't THINK you can register a QH, RID cross as a IDSH, but not sure.
Also Erika wanted me to post these pics of her friends horse in case you'd be interested.
FOR SALE
8 Year Old Perch/TBx – 16.3h - Hunted 2 seasons
Jumps 3.6 with Ease
Smooth Gaits – Stands, Loads, Clips,
Great on Trails, Excellent Disposition
Call Jamie 973-476-8730
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Posted on Monday, Aug 4, 2008 - 10:22 pm:
Just found out the asking price for horse above is $15,000. You'd have to be awful nice to hubby for that. Erika thought is was more like $5,000.
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Posted on Monday, Aug 4, 2008 - 11:15 pm:
I am having a bad week with the memory. Sounds like that filly could be registered.
https://www.irishdraught.com/aboutsh/
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 5, 2008 - 4:36 pm:
Hi Diane
Thanks for the info... The owner said that he was feuding with the IDHSNA over registering her. He is having problems because the dams papers are lost. He does seem to have some blonde moments LOL so Im not surprised Seemed like a very nice man though.
I will wait to see the filly and probably lower the offer since she isnt registered. The chestnut filly is registered and same price.
The grey was very nice. but way past my limit. Thanks for thinking of me though
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Posted on Monday, Aug 11, 2008 - 6:19 am:
I am back!
Imogen - sorry I missed you at the RDS. I had a fantastic time on both Thursday and Friday, though the footing was HORRIBLE in Rings 1 and 2. Were you there?
Next year we will all need to get together... Akila too???
I went to see Catherine's youngstock on Saturday afternoon. Catherine, they are fantastic - you really should post pictures as examples of quality Irish Sport horses.
Leslie - I find the story about the lost papers to be a bit odd. Is the dam or the Sire supposed to be RID? If it truly is RID, then whether dam or sire, its DNA is on file SOMEWHERE.
With the IDHSNA, "registration" of a sport horse means parentage has been confirmed against the RID parent only.
So, whether the owner has papers or not, the society (and the labs) should have a copy of the DNA profile of the RID parent - and either the foal tests against the RID parent or it doesn't.
Now it is possible the foal will not be eligible for registration due to some other regulation but I think, in the end, if you are trying to buy something that is at least part RID, you are not being the slightest bit unreasonable if you insist on proof of parentage by DNA.
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Posted on Monday, Aug 11, 2008 - 7:21 am:
Hi, Was unable to get to the show myself but did you all see who won the Stallion Class, Tors Gentleman Farmer - a wonderful import from your side of the water... I like him a lot and am glad he has come here.
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Posted on Monday, Aug 11, 2008 - 10:30 am:
Hi
cheryl, the filly is supposed to be out of the RID stallion Tors murphy mcginty.
when he brings them down to KY I will ask him some more questions. I found it odd too, but chocked it up to him being a bit of a bubble head.
If everything works out and I do get her she should make a great fox hunter...As he turns them out on 65 acres here in Ky for the winter. Ive been told we get quite a few ice storms here. I'll probably worry about her all winter
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Posted on Monday, Aug 11, 2008 - 10:35 am:
OOOO Catherine
I would love to see pictures of your younglings!
L
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 - 9:22 am:
Tors Gentleman Farmer really is a stunner. HUGE presence. Fantastic gaits, very well behaved too - at least he was through the stallion parade, the stallion class and as people came to his box to see him. Never an ear back, never rude behaviour.
The only possibly negative thing I could say is he is very big. BUT BUT BUT... I am convinced we just grow Irish horses bigger when they get to North America, and suspect had he stayed in the UK or gone directly to Ireland, he would be smaller.
Cappa Cochise was also fantastic - he placed second (was initially placed first).
Crosstown Dancer ended up fifth, if I remember correctly - he looked in terrific form too - I suspect his age (18) worked against him.
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 - 9:25 am:
I keep forgetting to say this... Imogen, I see why you like Grange Bouncer. Lots of his babies coming up through the classes now, and they look really good.
That being said, it seems RDS breeding show was all about Fast Silver... Having him as a sire seemed to guarantee a ribbon...
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 - 6:46 pm:
OOOO- I love Gina Miles' horse-McKinlaigh-he is an irish/tb
I just love his stride!! its huge!
what a good boy.
and congratz to the brits for the bronze
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Posted on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 - 7:56 pm:
Gina just pulled off a silver in the individual Showjumping on McKinlaigh...lovely round and beautiful horse!
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Posted on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2008 - 6:36 am:
Cheryl - Fast Silver is a showing sire mainly. I like him if you don't care about the jump. Mostly they don't jump as you can see from the Stallion book. There are a few that do. I have always liked Crosstown Dancer. I am tempted by Coolcronan Wood as he is producing nice youngstock and he's local to me.
The Grange Bouncers are not that athletic jumpers - although he is getting very good mares for eventing breeding - but they make smashing general all rounders, good temperament, nice movers etc.
Went to Bantry to see my 3yo Grange Bouncer yesterday - she is backed now and riding nicely in the arena with good natural neck and head carriage but as with all young horses, weak behind at the moment. I get to ride her myself on the next visit!
Imogen
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 - 7:33 pm:
HEY Leslie, have you heard anymore about the 2 yr. olds, was curious because that route is rolling around again and jogged my memory.
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 - 9:32 pm:
Hi D.E.
I haven't. He is supposed to call me before he brings them this way, He told me around the end of Aug. Maybe I will call him next Monday to check up. I am so excited to see her. I have you to always thank
Hey RID people (or anyone else) What should I be looking for and expect in an *IDSH* 2 year old?. How would I critique her? As you know, main use for her will be fox hunting. so I know I need good bone. Will her "way of going" be evident as a 2 year old. Would she still be considered to be in that gawky, ungainly teenage stage? Should her topline be close to even by now? How long will she go thru growth spurts? I hope these questions arent too dumb
Diane E Why do you think she didnt come over to you? unfriendly or maybe just low horse on totem pole? ( sorta like-- Chestnuts eat first, Chestnuts kiss first)
Thanks again
Leslie
Oh yea I still need to ask him to explain the problem with the registration thing.
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 - 9:40 pm:
Imogen
LOL I was re-reading all the posts and I got a chuckle reading about...
"I've seen a few horse-dachshunds in darkest west Cork..."
It sound so ominous there...darkest west cork... like its Mordor.
One thing I do know is that I definitely don't want a horse-dachsund. I would hate/love to see one jump LOL
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 - 10:07 pm:
I think she was low on the totem pole, she wanted to come visit, but the chestnuts...especially the gelding wanted to be my friend, so the yearling and the bay stood back a little. Obviously the chestnut gelding was "boss"
She has very good bone, I think that's why I thought she was a gelding. If memory serves me well (which is iffy) I think she was the tallest and biggest bone of the 3.
JMHO you should critique as you would any horse, the IDSH's I was around were still in their growing stage, I think they seem to quit growing around five and even out. Most of them were started at 3. We had the ugliest IDSH at the barn "lucy" She was out of Mountain Pearl. In her 4th year she turned into the prettiest, nicest mare you would ever want to work with. I would never had dreamed she would have turned into what she did...ugliest yearling I ever saw! butt high, big head ect. She was rather cow hocked, but her training went well and she was doing VERY well when I left down there.
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Posted on Friday, Aug 22, 2008 - 2:41 am:
IDSH means Irish Draft Sport Horse ie only has to be 50% Irish Draft. The basics of conformation are in all the text books but modern conformation from the point of "aesthetic beauty" are based on the work done by Professor Wortley Axe.
The best book you could read if you are thinking of getting a young horse is "Making the Young Horse the Rational Way" by Elwyn Hartley Edwards, who sadly died this year. It has the Wortley-Axe proportions diagram in it.
G'luck
Imogen
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 - 9:24 am:
HI DianeE
The owner guy emailed me back and said the horses will be here in ky the second week of sept. at the latest
....L
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 - 10:09 am:
COOL I can't wait to see what you think of them. I'm going to see if I can't get a little better look at the bay when I do my route. If she is till there. I think I do that route day after Labor Day.
Let us know when you see them and don't forget your camera!!!
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 - 11:17 am:
Could you explain what the W.A proportions are?
Leslie, the horse may not have approached just because of its personality. It may be the cautious type or the more arrogant 'I'll decide', type.
Or ??
Two yr olds are so hard to picture as adults.
Some already look grown up and some, like Diane said, are so ugly and out of kilter you can't imagine them taking a graceful step.
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 - 9:46 pm:
RID peeps, where can I read up on the different grades of mare. I looked on the RID websites but cant find the criteria for grading the mares. I know there are hornby premium mares( what is it that makes them special). and they are called RID. Are the other grades considered RID as well.
I ask because I found a registered Irish draught mare that hasn't been inspected. But her parentage is great. Her dam is a hornby mare and sire is FG Himself. LOL my hubby says I can have her if I breed her in the next few years and sell the baby-- sorta a Return on Investment... Now, we all know that selling horses is a terribly hard thing to do...but the hubby doesn't know that--so maybe I will get my irish draught mare and in a few years a foal to boot. Teehehe
Do they publicize what the criteria is for a breeding mare somewhere?
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 - 10:49 pm:
Hi Leslie,
Ok, some info (and Catherine and Imogen, please jump in ANY TIME!!!)
1. Registration vs. Inspection
Horses are REGISTERED based on bloodlines/breeding only. So a registered horse, certainly in North America, comes with a guaranteed pedigree.
Irish Draughts are registered by Ireland, the UK, Canada, the US and Australia.... each has a recognized Irish Draught horse society.
Horses are INSPECTED for breeding purposes. A horse that passes its inspection has been formally confirmed to be 'true to type', and is formally approved to be used as breeding stock. Well, in UK, Canada and the US, anyway. (different rules in Ireland).
2. "RID" vs "ID" vs "Irish Warmblood" vs "Celtic Warmblood" vs "Irish Sport Horse" vs "Irish Draught Sport Horse" vs "Registered Irish Sport Horse"
RID means the horse is recognized by one of the Irish Draught societies as having a confirmed and verified pedigree that is considered to be/accepted as 100% Irish Draught.
ID means the horse is thought to be/claimed to be Irish Draught, but has not been recognized as such by any of the societies.
"Irish Warmblood" means nothing - well, it means nothing in Canada and the USA. Strangely enough, my insurance company insists on calling my horses "Irish Warmbloods" which makes MY blood more than warm ... but I digress. I presume this is a generic way of saying an Irish Sport Horse that may or may not be recognized by the Irish Horse Board.
"Celtic Warmblood"... There is a register in North America called the Celtic Warmblood. See https://www.celticwarmblood.com/. The register is not recognized by Ireland or by any of the Irish Draught Societies, as far as I know but I could be wrong. I assume that if the horse is recognized by this registry, it is called a Celtic Warmblood.
You may also see "AID" and "SID" in reference to mares (only)
The most important thing about AID and SID is that it means a FILLY foal is eligible to be inspected for the RID book. Usually (although not always) an AID is 7/8 RID, 1/8 TB, and an SID is often very true to type but with some unknown/unprovable portions of her pedigree.
On to the horses that are not purebred Irish Draught...
"Irish Sport Horse" is a horse that is found in the Irish Horse Register, under the Sport Horse section (as maintained by the Irish Horse Board). An Irish Sport Horse does not necessarily have ANY Irish Draught blood,(Which I personally think is a HUGE shame ... Catherine, care to comment? HAHAHA!).
"Irish Draught Sport Horse" is a horse that is partbred Irish Draught (minimum 25%?) and registered with the IDHSNA.
"Registered Irish Sport Horse" is a horse that is partbred Irish Draught (minimum 12.5%), registered and approved through inspection by the Irish Draught Horse Society of Canada.
Clear as mud?
3. Grading mares: Neither Canada nor NA 'grades' their mares. Either they pass inspection or they don't.
In the UK there is the Hornby designation, but I don't know much about it. I do know it is separate from their inspection process and they DO grade their animals.
In Ireland, from time to time, they will go out and inspect mares with the intent to pay owners to keep the mares in Ireland. These mares have been designated as "quality broodmare" or "premium broodmare". But these inspections only last for a year or two, and, for example, right now there is no grading of mares in Ireland that I know of, other than they are passed for breeding inspection or they are not.
4. Grading Stallions: You also may see "Supp", "S1", or "S2" attached to a stallion. In essence this means the stallion is approved with conditions attached. It is REALLY complicated to explain ... and the only thing I can say with certainty is these stallions are treated VERY differently by the different societies, so if you are looking at buying a foal by an S1, S2 or Supp stallion, TALK TO YOUR SOCIETY BEFORE YOU BUY so you understand exactly what you can or cannot do with the foal.
5. Criteria for a breeding mare is the breed standard. Best place for that is off the Irish Draught Horse Society (Ireland) webpage. (www.irishdraught.ie)
Wow, my head is spinning...
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 - 4:00 am:
To the person who asked about Wortley-Axe - it is a system of measuring the proportions of a horse and comparing them to an ideal which is based on the "Golden Rule" of proportion, which is the basis of much architectural and graphical design.
Regarding how RID horses are inspected to see if they are "true to type" see:
https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officia l&hs=C9U&q=Grange+Bouncer&start=30&sa=N
This is a long (45 slides) Powerpoint presentation which in the main looks at what they found (or rather did not) when they attempted to scientifically analyse how judges decide if an Irish draught is "true to type".
However what may be of particular interest is that near the end are pictures of four stallions showing how the breed type has changed in the past 40 years or so. It's a big exagerrated eg Crosstown Dancer, still standing, is very similar to the older-type stallions photographed here.
Cheryl, they still do the premium mare thing and there are inspections in different parts of the country each year. I think there may be a bit of confusion because there is a scheme for RIDs and another for sport horses.
One of the problems with the sport horse scheme is it has an age limit on it which means that you are likely not to think about getting a mare qualified (has to be judged jumping a round of fences or have a certain number of points in one of the disciplines) until she is too old! Unless you are a big breeder.
There is a scheme for bringing back to Ireland draught stallions who are outcrosses to improve the inbreeding problems too.
Cheryl's advice is very good. Photocopy the animal's passport and discuss with breed society before purchasing. If it has an Irish passport I'll be glad to try and help.
Imogen
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 - 3:01 pm:
Thanks for explaining Cheryl and Imogen. That helps alot! I would need her to pass inspection to keep my spousal unit happy!
I wasnt able to access the powerpoint... it came up as a google of grange bouncer. the first 'hit was a thread in HA concerning Imogens Cavalier mare.
Here is a picture of bunny
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 - 3:15 pm:
Leslie if you email me I'll send you the Powerpoint. There should have been a PDF link called "slide" on that google page.
Imogen
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Posted on Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 - 3:44 pm:
Ahhhh I found this explaination..."the frame is rectangular, the proportion of body-depth to leg-length is 50:50, ...A good Irish Draught may be more heavy framed (aka the "strong" type) or they may be lighter framed (aka the "quality" type), but they all should be "half body, half leg" with short, substantial cannon bones and powerful hindquarters. And then it goes on to show pictures of the most beautiful creatures the good Lord ever the DrOpped on earth!
do you guys agree w/ it? It was on a breeder site --flyingharp.
They Also had a nice article about "type and consequence" and an article/story that brought tears to my eyes...called the "importance of the mare". So much heart and Soul.
You guys are probably thinking --OMGSH shut up already..irish draught this!! irish draught that...!!! Sorry if Im a little overboard
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Posted on Monday, Aug 25, 2008 - 8:37 am:
Hi Leslie,
Your title clearly identifies this thread as being about ID, so discuss all you like!
Imogen, thanks for clarification re quality/premium mares in Ireland. Clearly something I need to understand a little better!!!
About the breed standard. My one warning is that inspections are carried out by judges from Ireland, who are supposed to judge against "the breed standard". That is found in one and one place only: www.irishdraught.ie (scroll down on left side until you see 'breed standard')
The report posted by Imogen gives you an idea of how consistently (or inconsistently?) the standard appears to be applied. I can't really comment on the findings; they are what they are. (Thanks for posting, Imogen... I have been looking for an electronic copy of that report for sometime!!!) Here is the direct link to the presentation: https://www.irishdraughthorseconservancy.org/images/BreenRDS.pdf
Bunny looks very cute. Have you seen her jump?
As for having her inspected - there is an inspection tour starting in a few weeks. Ask the breeders if they are having her inspected.
Cheers,
Cheryl
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Posted on Friday, Sep 5, 2008 - 10:38 pm:
So I emailed the guy today about the irish sporthorses...he should be bringing them to ky soon, if not all ready.
Still cant wait to see them
Leslie
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 6, 2008 - 7:33 am:
Hi Leslie, I went by there the other day and didn't see them in the pasture, which doesn't really mean anything! He does have quite a few acres.
I happened to think of this when I was looking at the gray mare above...The barn I used to work at fox hunted all the time, they may have something there too, I know they were big into Irish sport horses.
There was a lady there that had a RID mare, when I was there she wanted to give her away to a good home, she fox hunted and was very good on trail. I had her here when she weaned her colt for about 6 weeks...nice mare. Funny thing is she had huge feathers, so did her daughter out of Mountain Pearl. Do some of the old type Rids have feathers?? Her daughter looked just like a budweiser horse, she passed inspection I remember.
Let me know if you hear from Jos. I have to go out there Mon. for some re-reads, if they are still there I would love to look at them again.
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Posted on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 - 8:41 am:
Hi DianeE
Sorry its taken me so long to reply. I went to the Rare breeds show at the KHP. It was really neat. got to seem some very nice RIDs. and lots of rare ponies. OOO and a really nice Cleveland Bay mare.
So I talked with Joseph and he is bringing them next week!!! Yay! I cant wait to see her. I will see if I can take some pics And I will keep you posted
Have a great one
Leslie
Ps.
I know they have a little at the back of the fetlock, but I think they get docked points (at inspection)if it is excessive.
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Posted on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 - 2:26 pm:
Can't wait for your pics to appear! RID s are just as unknown[and thus fascinating] to me as Knabbstruppers! Get the stories coming Leslie!
Jos
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Posted on Monday, Sep 8, 2008 - 6:23 pm:
Yes keep us updated, I want to see pics too. I didn't really get a good look at the bay mare.
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 - 7:24 pm:
Hello there!
This is a reply for Diane E and Leslie of course, the one that started this post.
I have 2 Irish sport horse babies by Sea Quest. One is a colt and one an absolutely stunning filly. Before I bought these babies I went and viewed Sea Quest. The lady that bred them used to be the vet who collected (semen) on Sea Quest. This stallion was in a small mud filled paddock with no hay and no where to amuse himself or even stretch his legs. Despite the mud and crap on him he was well put together and a stunning horse. He was taken out of the paddock and yes he acted like an A$$. However a horse's behavior for the most part is a failure in handling and training, NOT breeding. I bought those 2 babies plus the dam of the colt. Both babies are flat out stunning, great movement, and none of this "stumpy" behavior previously talked about.
I don't know the owner, and have nothing to do with the stallion but he does pass on athletic ability, quality, and ....ahem ...size! Both babies will be 17 hands possibly more.
They are intelligent, stable minded and talented! I will be getting them inspected by the irish draught association as I am to be in the breeding biz and want them looked at! The colt is a year now and still intact. If he is suitable will be kept a stallion.
Don't write this stallion off because of one person's opinion ( sorry Diane E but i disagree with you, don't stay away from this horse). He is well bred and quite talented. I have seen none of this behavioral problems in my young horses that Diane E speaks of. They have daily handling, huge paddocks, and grass fields, and are mentally stable horses. I have heard that Sea Quest has had bad handling, no campaigning (showing), and just used as a stud money maker for years. He throws big talented babies. I stress big!! However I do not mind tall horses.
I am planning in breeding my mares to Garryowen of Suma next but don't write Sea quest off.
Just my 2 cents!~
I also have experience with draft crosses as I my going mare is one. They have great heart but not the talent of the irish horses. My poor girl has had various lameness's just due to some of the structure the draft horses pass on but she has a great nature and will be babysitting a lot of students at my farm.
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 - 8:06 pm:
Rebecca you are probably quite right, "stumpy" was a well put together horse and under saddle he was actually pretty well behaved...that horse had an amazing jump.
He was not handled correctly is an understatement! I did feel bad for him and I got along pretty good with him, seemed once he started settling in somewhere he was shipped off again. The get I seen of his I was not impressed though I must say and their attitudes were not good. AGAIN it may have been the way they were kept, the handling of a young one can make all the difference in the world.
I would love to see pics of the babies you have out of him.
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 - 9:39 pm:
Rebecca you can't brag without showing us some photos.. it is a must..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 - 10:52 pm:
oh dear! Not intending to brag. Just very happy with these young horses. I'll post some photos. In the meantime I have quite a few on the farm website.. I just joined this site, i'll have to look how to post a photo. In the meantime you can take a look here
{https://www.freewebs.com/hawthornfarmandstable/index.htm}
The bay mare on the home page is a draft cross (we think) of unknown origin. in photo gallery the gray called Rain is the Sea Quest filly. They are not good side profiles to see confirmation. I have to get some up of the colt.
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 - 11:08 pm:
2 additional photos are up in the photo Gallery of the website. 1 is a side profile of Rain at 1 yr, and the only side profile i have of the colt is at 1 month...will get another!
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 - 12:01 am:
Rebecca bragging is good.. I enjoyed your photo gallery..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots..
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 - 4:14 am:
Thanks for the photos Rebecca, nice babies.
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Posted on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 - 9:50 am:
Hi Rebecca
Thanks for the opinion. I loved your babies! I too believe bad handling and management can make any horse insane, esp. stallions. In a breed that is renowned and judged for their temperament, it seems that the Sea Quest 'problem' is a tragedy.
* That being said...I also believe each horse has an individual personality and some horses tend to deal with mishandling better than others.
He is such a glorious looking horse. I am sure your babies will grow up and jump the moon.
And be sweet as puddin' pie doing it!
Leslie
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Posted on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 - 1:37 pm:
I went out and saw the 2 Murphy babies yesterday. The bay filly was nice, with a sweet temperment. she looks nice in person. 16hh and a very nice amount of bone. Nice straight legs. moves good too. Looks very much ID.
The chestnut fiily was there too. What a little jerk she is. She is very herd sour to the bay and when the guy tries to get her away she wheels around and kicks him in the hip. I hear this CRACK! Had to have hurt like crazy. He is super nice, I felt bad for him. He is keeping the 2 there for the winter, out on his pasture. He tells me he is a cow guy. Has been around cows more than horses. So anyway, he gets "chestnutty" into the other pasture and she tries to barge thru the fence taking out 2 boards. She tries kicking the other horses. I mean a total wench. Thinks she rules the world.
The bay filly was very pleasant, hasnt been handled much either, but willing. I made her pick her feet up and lunged her at the walk, at the end of the lead rope. She picked up the concepts easily. I wanted to see her reactions to different things. So I stayed out there with her for about 45 minutes. She, unlike the chestnut, is something you can work with.
I am undecided thou in this economy. ARRGG, I forgot to bring my camera, so I stopped and got a disposable one, but I have to get it developed . and then I will try to fiqure out the scanner.
Cheers to everyone,
L
Ps DianeE it sounds like your doing a great job with Hank! Keep it up girl
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scooter
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Posted on Monday, Oct 6, 2008 - 2:04 pm:
Well that would explain why I wasn't able to get a good look at her, the chestnuts were all over me.
The bay sounds VERY nice, can't wait to see her pictures...sounds like she lunges better than Hank.
By the way I just happened to see that picture of Bunny further up your thread, I KNOW her dam!!! I don't think I met Bunny tho. Have to think about it.
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