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Member:
Gintx

Posted on Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 - 11:20 am:

https://boykinfarm.com/Zarina.html
I've had to send APHA dozens of pics. They sent me a DNA kit for the filly and the mare.
The mare is a black and white overo. https://boykinfarm.com/mares.html Peppy Lou

The sire is a palomino tobiano.
https://boykinfarm.com/JaxsOnCards.html (incidently, I sold him and he's now living in Georgia)

The filly doesn't have any red in her coat. Her main and tail both are almost burgundy in color. She doesn't have color across her back so I can't tell if she has a line. Both of her half siblings this year are red dun but out of dun mares. I turned her in as a red dun but you can't get a red dun from a black and a palomino. Jaxs was a yellow palomino. He didn't have a line on his back.
Member:
Canyon28

Posted on Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 - 1:03 pm:

It would be very important to know what color both parent's sire and dam are. I think this filly should be registered as a buckskin if there are no duns in her grand parents. In several of the pictures it looks like she has black coming into her mane. If the dam of the filly has no dun as a parent, then she cannot be a red dun, so she has to be either buckskin or palomino if the sire was a palomino. How old is the filly in the last pictures you show on your web page? the one picture of her with the other foal, she looked like she had reddish hair around her eyes.
Also I have had several palomino duns and the dorsal stripe and leg barring is very hard to see on the two previous foals I have had. The colt I have now that is a dunalino has very strong leg barring, but his dorsal stripe is still a little hard to see, it is not much darker than his coat color.
You didnt say what the breeding of the sire is. If one of his parents is a dun, it is possible he is a dunalino and you just couldnt tell. I looked at the pics of the stud and he has so much white on him, including all along his back, it is impossible to tell if he is a dunalino or not, in my opinion.
You should go back and look at all of the grand parents of the filly to get more color information. It is very possible the stallion you thought was a palomino was a dunalino. That can be a real problem with paints, since some of them have so much white.
Member:
Canyon28

Posted on Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 - 1:21 pm:

I just looked at qts deck of cards the sire in your stallions pedigree and he is a red dun, so I now believe that your filly is indeed a red dun and that your stallion was misregistered as a palomino, he is actually a dunalino. Now you will have to work with APHA and the current owner of your stallion to get things fixed so you can get your filly registered right. Since your stallion is so young, how many foals does he have on the ground right now? It would be important to find out all of the colors if possible. If he has only a few foals, it is possible that this filly is the only dun he has sired so far. It would be a 50% chance he would pass the dun gene and or the cream gene each time he was bred. But sometimes it takes many foals for this average to work out. My stallion Bill the Cutter has nearly 200 foals now, and almost exactly half of them are dilutes, with most of the dilutes being palominos. This is because the most common color by far in the AQHA is sorrel. When you breed sorrel to palomino you will only get one or the other color, there is no black gene here. throw in the dun gene and you will get either a red dun, a palomino dun, a palomino , or a sorrel.
Now you also know if you didnt already before that your mare is not homozygous for black. She passed her red gene, and your stud passed red and dun, so you got a red dun. Chris www.canyonrimranch.net
Member:
Mrose

Posted on Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 - 3:21 pm:

Gosh, I'm glad I have Arabians! Your people have too many color variations to contend with!!

Really cute filly, btw.
Member:
Elsiedar

Posted on Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 - 4:22 pm:

The foal is adorable. I agree the foal is a red dun tobiano.

The stallion, JaxsOnCards, is a Palomino Tobiano/Sabino and possible Dunlino. He can produce 100% tobianos but also can add dun and/or sabino to 50%+ of his foals. Tobianos always have solid colored heads and ears and normal face markings that do not cover the eyes, no white under the chin or jaws and throat and no glass or blue eyes.

The Sabino gene is one of the Overo patterns (frame overo, splashed white or sabino) which do not extend over the topline, but can sometimes add excessive white that covers the eyes, white on lower lip, under the chin or jaws and throat and sometimes glass or blue eyes and sometimes splotchy roaning on the head and dark areas. Sabinos without the tobiano are sometimes born with completely white hair, but will always have dark spots on their skin and usually can be seen on the genitals.

I have TWHs where sabino is common and dun is nonexistent.

Elsie
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