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Discussion on Stupid Question...but I have to ask...
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Dustyemt
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 1:32 am:
I know this is so dumb, but I don't really know what to think about the current situation with one of my stud horses. My husband usually handles the stud and I handle the mares, but lately he's been gone a lot so I have taken over handling the stud horse, I give him a lot of attention and trust him a lot... he is very easy to handle and very docile.... unitl the last couple of days...never before have I had a problem with breeding him to mares, he does his job, the way he always has, I am in control, I give him the ok and he finishes business, then he's back under my complete direction. Here is the new problem, and believe me I know this sounds crazy.. but I need to know if other people have had any type of problem like this. He has started horsing at me at certain times, raising his lips, snorting in all the air he can )what I like to say the smile forthe ladies), when there aren't any mares around, neverthess a mare in heat. He has started having erections at times, almost like he thinks I'm I horse... I know how stupid it sounds, but I have to repremand him alot to make him "put it up" even while just walking to the barn. I am not talking the relaxed position either, full fledged, ready to go... I am beginning to worry a bit turning my back on him. He faces me head on at times and becomes ..well... like a stud horse, not the docile guy I handle....is this behavior normal, surely he is not attracted to a human...I am nursing a baby and have had the colts sniffing me before...like they could smell something different, probably the milk on my blouse.. but this.. I'm having a hard time figuring him out, and what to do about the problem....
So...as stupid as it sounds, has this happened to anyone else?
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Erika
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 10:02 am:
Hey Dusty, I see you are a model. Maybe he just thinks you're cute. Ha ha!
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Hwood
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 10:46 am:
I have never worked with stallions on a regular basis, but I have had something similar happen with a couple of geldings. It may be that even though you are nursing, the stud is sensing some hormone changes in you. I have been told that women who spend lots of time together at one barn will start to cycle at the same time every month, and that it will coincide with the cycles of the mares . . . I can't verify that . . .
The stud obviously knows you are of the female variety, and he obviously feels comfortable around you. I, too, would be "on my guard" around him. He wouldn't mean to hurt you . . . I've heard that Vick's Vap-o Rub on his nose might block out any scents he's picking up from you, but I don't know if that would interfere in his "relationships" with his mares. Maybe if you dabbed a little dog food behind your ears?
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Eoeo
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 11:01 am:
I have always been told that if you are having your menstrual cycle to stay away from a stallion.
I would imagine the hormones and nursing would be a little problem. Can you get someone else to handle the stallion? Just to be safe? EO
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Rocking4
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 11:03 am:
Dusty,
This is NOT uncommon at all. My wife and I have a certain routine with our stallion, I always get him from his pen for breeding, she always does the collection end. He KNOWS, when I come to get him, that we are doing the breeding thing. He also gets excited, gets an erection, and begins the big "dance". Does not dot that when my wife goes to get him. If we reversed it, I am sure it would not take him too long to catch on and react.
Dave
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Jojo15
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 11:31 am:
This is NOT a stupid question. and i do believe animals can displace. All animals. I have a parrot right now that thinks i am his love interest. Its becoming a pain in the butt. He attacks any other (he thinks) would be suitors...
I would NOT trust this horse for a second. Although i'm sure he is a good boy, his hormones might make him be more interested in you than you would want and thereby hurting you terribly.
Nip it in the bud immediately. Don't pet him, talk softly to him, groom him, etc. all the things that a mare might do. and reprimand him when his hormones come out. and be forthright about it. He needs to know that you are NOT in the scheme of things.
I heard of a lady that would change to a CERTAIN halter for breeding and a different halter when she wanted him to just be a horse. and she swore it worked. SO this way, its not the person handling him, but an action that lets him know when its ok to be broody. And that might solve his confusion. and also help you and your husband be able to handle him whenever, and when to turn it on or off.
and yes, your smell can change or confuse him too. I brought my doe into season just because i was at a friends house that had a buck. I must have had that smell on me when i came home, and wham! she went into heat. And i'm sure we don't have to go into too much detail but i don't go over to my neighbors house with all his hunting dogs certain times of the month, or i can start an attack with each other. They don't do it to other ladies in the household, so far just me.
It's all in the nature of things.....grin.
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Kayababy
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 10:10 pm:
For what it is worth, I too am the object of my Boys' affections at times... they give me "extra attention". We have three Warmblood studs and each one has done this at some point or another. We do AI with our stallions so often a live mare is not involved, so even more I get equated or associated with the whole breeding business. In my experience the "extra attention" ebbs & flows, just depends upon... hmmm... well I am not really sure. Personally I have not noticed any synchrony with my female cycle. I have noticed one of my studs really likes my lab bitch when she is in heat tho...
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DrO
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 10:33 pm:
You say you are in control but at the same time express concern over his behavior. During these times you are worried, you do not have control.
Since horses don't menstrate, and menstration is a time of infertility, I don't think your menstral cycles are an issue. You say you pay him a lot of attention nowadays, I am not sure what you mean but during these times are you giving away authority? You need to control this stallion and when he misbehaves, and yes acting studdish toward you should be considered misbehavior, correct it.
DrO
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Crobin
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Posted on Sunday, Apr 2, 2006 - 10:48 pm:
I recently read an article about the detrimental effects of reprimanding a stud for spontaneous erections. According to the studies cited, spontaneous erections outside the breeding environment are normal and healthy, and occur about every 90 minutes in most studs. In fact, trying to suppress them typically doesn't work and ultimately reduces your stallion's normal sexual behavior and semen production. Before everybody starts sending me hate mail, I'm not suggesting that you ignore him if he is displaying aggressive behavior toward you. But on those occasions when all he's doing is having an erection when it isn't time to breed a mare, you might want to consider ignoring it.
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Eoeo
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 1:18 am:
What methods of correction do you use, Dr. O?
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New Member:
Dustyemt
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 2:28 am:
Usually just a tug on the lead rope, and a raise of my voice puts him in his place.. he is very well mannered for a stud horse... I handle him today and he seemed ok. But my mother and I both talked about it and it was as if he was giving me the ol song and dance he gives the mares.... "I kinda yell at him and tell him how confused he is, although I dont think he gets what I am saying.. like .. hey buddy, put that thing up it's no use here, I'll cut it off kind of talk"...lol... my mother got really worried when she saw how he was acting toward me.. like I was his new "girlfriend".. I agree with the control issue, if he's running behind me and I am nervous about him mounting me!....not that it would happen, but my mom swears that he was courting me... nudging me like the mares, and the whole bit.. I've handled him enough to know his tendencies, and now I tell my husband I want to handle him to show the dominance... to correct any "misconceptions he may or may not have.
I apreciate all the info, and everyone answering the post, it gives me something to thing about.
My mother told me I needed to start carrying a whip with me when I take him to breed... yes I am a model/paramedic, and not a real big girl.. so I don't pose much of a threat I'm sure but I've found it is a distraction, he really does listen and take command very well. Today was better, mybe it's the hypnose perfume from lancome'...lol I don't like using too firm hand, but I will and have before.
I do so appreciate all teh posts and help, thanks Dr O, I am so very happy I found this site. Maybe I can get my new love interest under control before he starts stalking me and asking for autographs.....
Thanks again, and any info is always appreciated.
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DrO
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 9:40 am:
LKR, as little as possible to make the horse behave. We handle several stallions every season some of which do not belong to us and it is different for each. Our usual progression is from a simple halter, to a chain over the nose, and most severe is a chain under the upper lip. Our objective is to keep the stallion from pulling hard on the lead while going to and waiting to be allowed to breed.
DrO
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Eoeo
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Posted on Monday, Apr 3, 2006 - 10:24 am:
Thank you Dr. O. We use a chain over the nose and the boy behaves very well.
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New Member:
Dustyemt
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Posted on Tuesday, Apr 4, 2006 - 2:35 am:
I'll have to try that, I have just been using a cowboy halter.. I knwo that seems a bit lax, but he has been lax, so I have never had any worries... he is doing better, but still daunting for my affection...I'll see abou using a stud chain from now on, so I feel I have a bit more control.
Thank you and everyone for your comments and help.
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