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| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 2:49 pm: I need to learn how to tell the difference between a "red bag delivery" and the presentation of a prolapsed uterus! Both seem to be described as a "big, round and red", but how do I tell for sure that it is NOT the uterus that I am tearing to get the foal out??Thanks Gail |
| Member: Corinne |
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:29 pm: Gosh....is your horse giving birth right now? Or is this a general reference question? Hope you get your answer...and so sorry for your previous experience. God Bless. |
| Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 8:16 am: Unlike a red bag delivery, the uterus is not going to present before the foal is born Gail. A uterine prolapse occurs after the birth.DrO |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:42 pm: Three days ago we foaled out our first(and I hope only!!) set of TB twin fillies. Ultrasound had not detected twins, so this was quite a surprise. The first twin presented normally. The mare seemed disinterested in her "new treasure" and I soon learned why-I saw the "red bag" and realized that I needed to get the other foal out quickly. Just as I was about to "tear into" the bag, the thought crossed my mind that it could be the UTERUS that I was tearing into, and I didn't know the difference in the way they looked. I feared that she could have prolapsed after the birth of the first foal....That's why I want to know what a prolapsed uterus looks like!I was lucky enough to get the foal out quickly and both fillies were up and nursing with our assistance to steady them in about a half an hour. The first filly born is running, bucking, kicking her sister, and generally full of herself. The second(red bag filly) is nursing well but still "wobbly" at 3 days old and not thriving as well as her sister. I made sure that she nursed each time her sister did for the first 48 hours so it is not a lack of nutrition. Tonight I am going to sleep in the house and just go out to make sure she is feeding every few hours. I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one! |
| Member: Mrose |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 12:10 am: Would it be possible for you to supplement the weaker filly or do you feel she is gettng enough?One of our best broodmares was a twin, both of whom survived well into old age. (She never carried twins herself to our knowledge.) So, it is possible. Good luck! |
| Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 8:50 am: Gail, when did you have your ultrasound done? Though we often US early (14 days)to determine pregnancy if the ovulation history is not well documented we always recommend a recheck at around 30 days. At 14 days there may be a 12 day vesicle twin that would be easily missed.Even in your scenerio of twins it is very unlikely the uterus would prolapse while one of the fetuses is still in utero, but if you go cutting into tissues, unsure or what you are cutting into you do risk damage to the cutee. The outside of the placenta will look very similar to the inside of the uterus, which are the two faces that would present to you. However the uterus is a thick muscular organ while the placenta is thin and somewhat friable. Though not thriving well is she making steady progress forward? Did you have IgG's run? I agree with Sara, it might be hard to know if she is getting adequate nutrition and may well not be getting as much milk, even though it might appear so. I like the idea of attempting to supplement the twins. The mare may not produce enough milk to support twins. For more on ideas on how to supplement these guys see, Equine Diseases » Reproductive Diseases » Birthing Problems » Feeding and Caring for the Orphan Foal. Also a milk replacer pellet is available that could be offered as a creep feed. DrO |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:25 am: Gail,.. I have been pan feeding a newborn foal,Foal Lac and Goats milk.. i mix them 50 / 50 the little guy is thriving.. actually gained close to 40 pounds his first 5 days.. ! It was not difficult to teach him to suck from a pan.. I kept it close to mom and just kept him off the teat and offered the pan.. he was hungry he drank.. Have been feeding him every 2 hours, during the day every hour when it was over 90 degrees.. i was worried about him dehydrating.. .. If you have to once the foal is used to pan feeding you can hang a bucket in the stall at night for up to 3 hours, long as its not to hot outside.. thus they can free supplement themselves.. once past the critical first week...have fun.. On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 3:25 pm: Both IgG's are good!I am supplementing the weaker filly with foal lac mixed with her mom's milk and some electrolytes, too. I haven't tried a bucket or pan yet because if I left it in the stall, the older sister would hog it all. I have been using a syringe to feed her and she takes it very well. She loves to nurse on mom, just needs a little boost to get up. The stronger filly is REALLY filling out and beginning to nibble at hay on day 4! The weaker filly is progressing a LITTLE, but WAY behind her sister. She is still very ribby and angular-looks the same as when she was born-not an ounce of fat on her. That bothers me a lot. She is MUCH less wobbly, though, and her pasterns have straightened up about 80%. She does poop and pee just fine. Bless her heart, she sees me and starts that shrill little whinny to let me know she is hungry! She just walks around(doesn't run, play and kick like her sister) and mostly eats and sleeps-not the energy that you like to see in a healthy foal. Her sister is already playing with the filly in the next stall! Mom has lots of milk, is a pleasure to hand milk(thank goodness) and the milk must be good, because #1 is doing fabulous! I will try mixing in some foal lac pellets for #2 soon. The ultrasound was done on day 21 after the last breeding date. We've had two mares that the vet ultrasounded a couple of years ago and thought there was a single fetus, but those mares aborted the twins in the 7th month. A couple of times he has tried to pinch off a twin, but we usually end up loosing BOTH. I think sometimes the second fetus must sense the ultrasound and hide until it's over! Gail |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:02 pm: Okay, Gail . . . (dum-de-dum-de-dum ) . . . where are the photos? . . . hmmmmmm? Gotta see those sweeties . . . 'specially the tiny one . . .
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| Member: Dres |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 5:52 pm: Can you get your hands on some goat milk.. ? As i posted in another post, my little guy , just back from Davis is in the top 2% of size and weight , this all from me pan feeding him for 13 days every two hours.. The goat milk is high in fat and is easy on their tummies..On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 7:27 pm: Ann,Your feeding routine sounds great-I wish I did have access to goat's milk! I do have some goat lac(goat milk substitute for kids, do you think that would be beneficial to add to the foal lac? I just don't want to give her the runs-she is skinny enough as it is! Holly, I will post a picture I took at 30 minutes old. I have to warn you that these girls are not the cutest foals I have seen-but that's okay, just so they both survive and thrive! Gail |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 10:41 pm: Gail, the goat lac is it powder form.. ? We at frist bought out all the quart containers from the stores.. that was expensive.. my husband found the kid substitute goat milk in powder form.. we started mixing that up.. ( use warm water)..I have to say it was very tuff on me to feed every two hours.. but well worth it.. I am just glad that i could.. Funny how the mom kicks in.. i never had to set the alarm clock , i woke up every hour and 45 mins.. on the nose.. ! This foal has not had any tummy distress at all.. on all the meds and formula.. that is a blessing..What i found is the instructions on the foal lac container.. was not near enough to feed a growing colt.. go with your gut on how much he needs.. On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 11:25 pm: Gail, everyone makes a mistake now and then but to make several like this suggests you might want to consider a new ultrasonographer.Delighted to hear number 2 is improving. You should not dilute the FoalLac and Mom's milk with electrolytes unless you are getting diarrhea: follow the instructions closely. And sooner or later you will get diarrhea. Think of number 2 as a individual and monitor her at her own rate. Things are sounding GREAT! DrO |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 11:55 pm: Gail, did you have trouble posting the pictures? It sounds like you tried to post them, but there is no picture. |
| Member: Corinne |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 7:46 am: Don't worry about them not being too cute....I was a 28 weeker twin born in 74 and my mother was quite unaware she was having twins (had all the prenatal care and all too). Was unconscious for the second delivery....Just woke up and my grandfather gave her a 2 sign with his index and third fingers she thought he meant PEACE...but oh no there were two of us. Spent most of our first six months at University Hospital in Newark NJ where we still keep in touch with the nurses as I was three pounds and Kristen was 1 lb 7 oz. My twin was so ugly and bald until two that Mom used to place her in the carriage face down and when people asked she would say that one looks just like that one....(LOL....while she is smashing now she was a face only a mother can love! While I was rather fat after a while. Anyway, we turned out just fine....I think.....Please post pics as soon as you can.I am delighted as I have never seen horse twins! God Bless to them and you for caring for them! Corinne |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 9:35 am: Corinne , you are too funny... these are horse twins.. a horse baby can never be ''not cute'' on the other hand.. human babies.. well lets say my second born was the orginal CONE HEAD .., not so cute...On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 2:59 pm: Dr. O,I have discontinued the electrolytes! Ann, The goat lac is in powder form-it looks just like the foal lac. I haven't put any goat lac in with the foal lac-do you think I should try it? Corrine, Thank you SO much for the laughs!! You should write comedy!! I needed it after this morning!!! Will fill you in on the latest events in a moment........ Holly, I did not try to post the picture yet, but come to think of it, you are right. I DON'T know how!!!! I have however taken some of the fillies new stall(in the house) and will want to share those with you..... Okay, here is my bad news. Yesterday I had observed the mother "kick out" and pin her ears when the #2 twin tried to nurse. I thought maybe mom's teats were sore from my milking her, but she allowed #1 twin to nurse without a problem. If I held her halter and scolded her, mom let her nurse. This morning I was in the barn and saw mom pin her ears but this time she actually kicked the baby HARD. It was NOT a mistake. There were no flies, etc. She was aiming for this baby. Immediately after, the #1 twin went up to her, mom smelled her nose and let her nurse with no problem. I took the baby out of the stall so she didn't get hurt again. My first instinct is to say that there is probably something wrong with the baby and that nature is trying to weed out the weak. My experience with mares has been that unless it is a first time momma who just has a "nervous" attitude towards a foal, the "old time" mommas rarely try to hurt or disown a "normal" foal. I would LIKE to believe that it is just the smell of the Foal Lac on the baby that is disagreeable to the mare. Doesn't seem logical, though, because we have had vets put strange smelling stuff on injured foals and the mares were fine with it. We took baby into the house. Mom never called to her. Baby is still drinking Foal Lac well-now out of a dish rather than by syringe. Baby is still wobbly and needs assistance to get up, but can shuffle along once she is up. That is another thing that worries me. Baby still has that "shuffle" kind of a walk that they do in the first hours of life. I hope she does not have brain damage of some kind. She does whinny when she sees us and enjoys human company(I guess because we don't try to kick her!!). Both of the vets in town are off for the 3 day weekend, so I hope baby doesn't do anything drastic!! Corrine, Anymore funny stories will always be appreciated. Thanks for listening, everybody! Gail |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 3:45 pm: Any of you with mare/foal experience can tell me if this might work:If you rub the foal's face and back up under the mare's udder area or rub the mare's milk all over the foal's face, will that help with the mare accepting her? |
| Member: Christos |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 4:20 pm: Well, Holly, you won't like this, but a good smack the first time she rejects the foal is what I think helps her accept it the best.Of course, with twins she has to work double, so she'd appreciate some support. Better nutrition, thicker bed, some cream for her nipples, plenty of turnout etc will all help her body and her brains cope a bit better with the nuisance of the extra foal. Mind you, I have the feeling that if you show too much interest in the weak little one, she may be more than happy to kick it towards you. I would take the strong one away and stay put until she accepts the weaker one (keep in mind that this may provoke quite a fight). |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 4:34 pm: Whatever works . . . but the gentlest way first would be preferable, wouldn't it? |
| Member: Christos |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 5:07 pm: Absolutely, Holly, but I've seen different approaches of rubbing (mare's nose on the foal, foal's nose on the mare, foal with milk etc) and not much success.Normally the mare will accept the foal anyway,after a little fuss, and no drastic measures are necessary. Hobbling the mare and letting her work it out is one option, but I wouldn't do it in fear of the foal being tangled in the ropes. Removing both foals and then meeting the mare with only the weak one a couple of times after half an hour may work to strengthen their bond a bit. This way she may not take her frustration out on the weak one and you may avoid the fight. |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 5:19 pm: Gail, mix up the kid replacer formula according to the label.. start out adding it to the foal lac slowly till you get to a 50 / 50 mix goat milk / foal lac.. As far as the mom weeding out the weak.. I haven't a clue.. but I feel its your job if able to intervene.. its great that the pan feeding is working.. continue and do it more often during the day , as you can.. then every two hours thru the night.. Yawn ! .. a weak foal will be weak in his appearance / ability to walk / function.. Please do what you are physically able to.. and ask for help if you have it around.. Its a huge responsibility , but one that will be well worth in the end.. trust me.. breeding and foaling is not for the weak.. its a responsibility we take on and do what we can to make all right.. hard lesson for me this time around, I kept saying ' but what if?' husband had to set me on track and said... WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO PERIOD.. take heart try to get over the critical first two weeks..On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them spots.. |
| Member: Mrose |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 5:49 pm: I've not had the experience of a mare's having twins; however, I have had mares that nursed their own foals plus and orphan foal. I've also had the experience of a couple of mares not accepting their foals -ever - no matter what we tried.Before I tried hobbles, I would try rubbing the mare's milk on the 2nd foal. I'd also try drugging the mare before I tried hobbles. Have you tried putting a halter on the mare and having someone hold her head while you encouraged the little one to nurse? Be prepared to discipline the mare if she tries to kick and keep both the foal and you where you aren't liable to get kicked; place the foal so it's coming under the mare from the front, not the back. Your mare may just have really strong instincts, and often in the wild the stronger foal is fed, and the weaker die. Ann is right - breeding and foaling isn't for the weak, or the weak of heart!! |
| Member: Corinne |
Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 11:51 pm: Ann....As a NICU nurse I have seen many Coneheads, and many Toasterheads (I sware I didn't come up with that last one it's a long standing name for skinny headed babies in the NICU). They all even out eventually. As you mothers know birth canals unfortunately don't seem to be able to fit out perfect round little heads. Couldn't imagine pushing out a horse. Personally we have a rectangular head predisposition in our family. In fact I think my nick name as a baby was Recky.....Looking back at some first baby pics I looked like Herman Munster....as you can tell we also have a predisposition for sick senses of humor in the fam.Anyway Gail how did the evening go? Have you tried anyone's suggestions? I can just picture the poor thing in your living room. Once again...good luck. Did you name the girls? |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 1:32 am: Sara,I sure wish I had that mare of your that will take orphan foals!! That is a gem of a girl! The mare nursed both twins without any problem for the first 4 days. I can hold her halter and discipline her and she WILL let the weak one nurse, but I can't take the chance on her kicking the foal if it tries to nurse when I am not around. She doesn't even like the weaker twin to get "near" her now. She still is quite in love with twin #1. I would be afraid to take the stronger twin out and try to get her to accept the other one. I need her to at least feed ONE of them for me!! Ann, Don't worry about the baby not getting fed regularly. I am used to "no sleep" between the middle of January until right about now. My husband and I sleep in the barn throughout the foaling season(last year 20 degrees below!) to make sure we are there to assist our "girls" if they need help! I had thought that I might return to the beDrOom, but it will be the couch next to the baby for me until she is strong enough to eat on her own! Right now, baby is sporting a pretty red sweater to help keep her warm. I hate to sound this stupid, but if someone can tell me HOW to post pictures, I will show you some!! We call the twins(they will both be grays) Platinum One and Platinum Two. I guess I have not yet mentioned that they do not belong to us-we have owners that keep their mares here to breed to our stallions, and these little darlings belong to one of them!! Keeping them alive is our responsibility, though, and we are really trying hard!! Platinum Two is the weaker filly. My husband is already talking about trying to buy her from her owner as we are REALLY getting attached to the little girl. I need SIMPLE instructions on posting pictures-I'm not too great at that sort of stuff!! Thanks, Gail |
| Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 9:25 am: Considering the mares behavior best might be to just raise the weaker as a orphan. I am concerned she is really going to hurt the foal and you really have no way to prevent it.DrO |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 9:58 am: Gail, I do know how your husband feels.., my current pan fed colt was bred to be sold as a flashy 3 day eventer.. ..SELL? But we are mom and dad .. This will be very hard on us, in some respect we are being weaned.. !~ Great names.. As far as pictures, my new computer won't down size them small enough for this program, so i can't help you there..I sent my pictures to a fellow HA member, she made them smaller then sent them back to me for posting... Maybe someone will do that for you.. ? Please keep us informed how things go.. Try to take naps in between feedings.. I know that the two weeks we were feeding it took its toll on us.. I was a the point of tears many times for really nothing.. On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them spots.. |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 10:29 am: Gail, if you know how to send the pics in an e-mail, you can mail them to me, and I will save them to my photo program and size them and post them for you. Can't wait to see the Platinum Girls.hollysjubilee@hotmail.com |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:13 am: Thirty minutes old. Platinum One, husband, Platinum Two, and MOM
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| Member: Dres |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:27 am: I LOVE THEM.. !On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| Member: Mrose |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:33 am: Gail, DB Isismoniet, our orphan adopting mare, died last fall at the age of 27. She was a gem for many different reasons.No wonder you want to keep at least one of the foals...soooo cute!! Selling the foals (or giving them back to their owners) is difficult anyway, but after you've been "mom" to them, it's almost impossible. Some email programs will shrink pictures for you when you add the picture as an attachment. Otherwise, you can open the picture in a photo editing program like "Paint", "Picasso" or one of the Adobe Photoworkshop programs. After you open the photo, you can resize it by reducing either the number of pixils, or the actual size of the photo. Usually, you go to "edit" then "resize." If you have a photo editing program go to "help" and there will be directions. Dr. O said there are directions for posting pictures on this site, but I haven't read them yet. |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:47 am: More pics of Platinum Two  
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| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:49 am: Some folks have house cats . . . some have house horses.  
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| Member: Corinne |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 12:59 pm: That is the cutest thing I have ever seen! I am so sending these to my Mom who lives in the burbs in NJ and would have never thought any such thing would be possible.Gail glad you all have wood floors! LOL |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 1:04 pm: OH MY GOODNESS... YOU TWO ARE BLESSINGS TO THIS YOUNG FOAL.. !!!~~HUGE SMILES COMING YOUR WAY... On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| Member: Mrose |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 1:29 pm: LOVE these!! Now, you don't honestly think that little filly is ever going to want to be a normal horse and live in the barn, do you?! |
| Member: Dyduroc |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 2:01 pm: Oh my word! They're adorable! I really hope you'll be able to keep Platinum Two after all the hard work, time and emotion you're investing in her!D. |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 6:33 pm: I'm glad you enjoyed our pictures, and many thanks to Holly for posting them for me!!!Platinum Two eats well, but still cannot stand without assistance. That bothers me a lot. She will walk once you get her up, but wants to take a nap right away. I hope she does not have brain damage. I realize that foals sleep a LOT, but they also PLAY a lot, too, and she is missing this important part. Tomorrow will be 1 week since she was born. I am hoping she will start frolicking soon!! Gail |
| Member: Warwick |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 12:27 pm: This little girl is one very lucky baby to have such wonderful caregivers as you and your husband, Gail. The photos are absolutely adorable and thanks so much for posting them, Holly.Gail, my neighbor had a very weak colt born about 4 years back. He was unable to stand without assistance and had to be bottle-fed around the clock. It took more than a week for him to become strong and coordinated enough to get up unassisted. However from that point on, he progressed completely normally. I'm sending all my positive thoughts your way for your little girl. Sue |
| Member: Qh4me |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 1:13 pm: Gail,Your babies are absolutely adorable. I hope you and your husband make a deal with the owners regarding platinum #2. How could you give her up after all of this. I have never seen a set of twins until this year. One of the area breeders had a set of twins this year as well. Thinking of you and praying for #2! She is so lucky to have you and your husband to care for her. |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 2:42 pm: With a heavy heart I have to share the news that our beloved girl, Platinum Two, died this morning at 8am.Up until 10pm last night, she had been readily drinking 25 oz of foal lac from her pan every hour. My husband had to help her up to feed because she had begun to gain weight and was getting too heavy for my back! At the 10pm feeding, my husband said that she was getting "lazy" and not "helping" him stand her up like she usually did. We told her that tomorrow we were going to take her to the front yard to "walk around" more than she had been walking in the house or on the porch where we had made a straw pallet for her to nap on in the fresh air and warm sun. At that feeding she did not finish her full feeding, but since she had been drinking so much in the past few days, I just thought maybe she was "full". By midnight, she was acting very "sleepy" but she still whinnied when she saw us and she did drink a little bit. This continued until the 4 am feeding when she felt like a "rag doll" and seemed to have little control of her head. She had a few sips of milk, but I had to watch that her nostrils did not become submerged. She went into a "coma" like state and no longer seemed to respond to our voice or presence. We both gave her a kiss goodbye and told her how much we loved her.........This is a very diffiult day for us, but I do believe that she knew she was loved. She never missed her mother or sister and seemed quite content to be "our" little girl. We want to thank all of you for your thoughts and good wishes, your support,advice, caring and humor. Fred & Gail |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 2:51 pm: Oh, gee, Fred and Gail . . . what can I say? I'm just so happy for the three of you that you had the time together and that she had parents who loved her and helped her enjoy her short life and were with her till the end.Bless your hearts. Memorial Day will hold a double meaning for you. |
| Member: Warwick |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 2:59 pm: Dear Gail and FredI am so, so sorry to hear this very sad news. My heart goes out to you both. Please take some comfort in knowing she's now at peace and that she'll always be there in your memories. With deepest sympathy, Sue |
| Member: Mrose |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 3:18 pm: I'm so sorry, Gail. At least you know that you did all you could. I think about her dam and wonder if she didn't somehow sense something about the foal that you had no way of knowing yourselves. From a strictly educational point of view, it would be interesting to know what the exact cause of death was - what problems she may have had internally. Not that it would change anything. At least the poor little thing didn't suffer; she died comfortably. |
| Member: Sunny66 |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 3:27 pm: My deepest sympathies, I am so very sorry... many (((hugs))) to you and your husband. |
| Member: Corinne |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 4:59 pm: Gail,What a wonderful love filled life she did have with you and your husband. Have peace in your heart that she will have died without ever having felt love had it not for the two of you! God has a way of bringing special people and creatures together. You made her short life worth living for the time she was meant to share. God Bless to you both! So sad to hear the news but so greatful you both were there for her. May others lead by your example because you made all the difference in one little life! She was and always will be your little girl. |
| Member: Dres |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 5:07 pm: My heart is so very heavy with you..On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.. |
| New Member: Bravo |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 5:36 pm: Fred and Gail:We send our tears to flow with yours. We have experienced the loss of a foal once; Oscar. He did have a great purpose in this life even though he was only a month when we lost him. He taught us to love others above ourselves. He taught us to fight and not give up. He taught us to pray but to only pray for God's Will. That's tough! He taught us to trust. AND he taught us to how to say Good bye and thanks so much. You have helped so many people by sharing your experiences - I will always keep your pictures - they are true treasures. Blessings to you both JJ |
| Moderator: DrO |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 6:14 pm: Gail I am so sorry to hear this, you did so such just to get the foal to this point.DrO |
| Member: Hwood |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 6:51 pm: Jane . . . off topic here, but you don't have a private e-mail listed, and I see on your profile that you are from Kansas. Whereabouts? You can answer at my e-mail address on my profile if you like. |
| Member: Nonie |
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 7:42 pm: Gail, I am just getting to this thread now. That was one lucky little filly. Her life was brief but very full and she was much loved. God bless you and Fred for being there for her, and take comfort in the gift that was yours, for such a short, sweet time.Zoe |
| Member: Canter |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 8:48 am: Gail,I am so very, very sorry to hear of your little filly's death. You and your husband made a heroic effort to save her life. I am sure God is smiling down upon you both for loving one of his creatures so. Peace to you both. Fran |
| Member: Frances |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 10:14 am: Oh Gail - how sad. I'm very sorry to hear that she's gone ... but glad, as you must be, that she went peacefully. You did absolutely everything you could, and more.Lynn |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 10:43 am: Thank you all for your kind words and thoughts on the death of our little girl. There are no better people on the face of the Earth, than "Horse People", and you all are proof of that!Holly(who posted my pictures for me) has sent us an e-card to my email address that is so beautiful, so true, and so special, that we would like to share it's message with all of our special friends at HA. I am going to email Holly now and ask her if she could forward it to the site for all of you to share with us. Platinum Two would want her "entire" family to share this meaningful moment......... Fred & Gail |
| Member: Qh4me |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:37 am: Gail & Fred,My deepest sympathy to you both. Platinum Two was very lucky to have such wonderful people to take care of her, even though it was for a short time. I hope it gives you some peace to know that you did everything you could, and to know that little filly knew more love in her short life than some others know in many years. She was very special and you will have many fond memories of her. Thank you for sharing all of your ups and downs. It makes us realize how special these creatures are. I am heading out now to give my new colt a big hug and thank my blessings that he is strong and healthy. |
| Member: Sswiley |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 12:35 pm: This is the time when humans are set apart from the animal world. People like you will take in the weak and spend your last breath helping them. The mare knew this foal would not survive in "her world". She wanted the strong one. I do have to wonder, if Platinum Two were her only baby, would she have acted the same. We know what motivates humans but we can only guess about the animals.This has quite a bit in common with the thread about the sassy foal that is being posted this week. That mare sees nothing wrong with her baby. Gail and Fred, your is definetley the more difficult road to travel. There is ultimately more heartbreak. Like the vets and doctors of the world. . . . I feel for them and their burden. I suppose I am ramble but this post has my head spinning. |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 1:36 pm: This is a most beautiful expression of life that we received from Hollyhttps://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=GE44069931 newurl{www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=GE44069931,www.jacquielawson.com/viewcar d.asp?code=GE44069931} Sorry, I can't seem to make them the "blue" color to click on........... |
| Member: Mcgee |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 1:41 pm: Holly,Thanks for the directions-the "color" appeared magically on it's own!!! I hope everyone enjoys the beauty of this as much as Fred and I did. Today I am scrubbing floors and sweeping up straw.......Gail |
| Member: Corinne |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 3:33 pm: What a beautiful sentiment Holly.Gail you should save a few pieces of that straw and weave them into a bracelet or some keepsake. Keep hanging in! v/r Corinne |
| Member: Mrose |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:38 pm: Gail, thank you so much for sharing Holly's e-card. It's lovely! Needless to say, I've book-marked the site and will be joining. |
| New Member: Jjet |
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:44 pm: I have come late to this thread but I must post. I also share your sorrow. May you find some comfort knowing that she knew she was loved. And that she did not seem to be experiencing pain. That seems to have been your lot; you are the best there is. Bless you.}Jan |
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