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Discussion on Monty Roberts join-up on 27 year old mare?
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leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 - 5:58 pm:
Does anyone know if its safe to do join-up on an older horse ( 27 years old)? The mare belongs to my neighbor and is in relatively good shape for a senior.
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dres
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 - 7:32 pm:
hum, my 87 year old uncle LOVES to golf, but can't very long nor does he have much style in his swing... If he tries to play 18 holes he is one very tired old man with not much interest in eating dinner the night of. When his swing is corrected he tries, and is in pain for days later.. Is it worth it for him to put style in his swing? NO, he enjoys life at 87 years old, I say LET HIM ENJOY it the way he is most comfortable..
On the first day God created horses, on the second day he painted them with spots.
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scooter
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 - 7:47 pm:
Really depends on what you mean by "join up" I know I wouldn't run my 28 yr. old mare in circles etc.
There are other ways. Why do you want to do it? Is she hard to catch? or just a grump?
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amara
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 - 8:38 pm:
how experienced is the person doing the join up in actually understanding all that is involved? how experienced a horseperson in general? can they recognize the slightest try and know its ok to quit there rather than push a little farther for a more obvious try? is what the mare is doing so difficult that she can not be allowed to just live and let live?...are there other methods that might work just as well but put less stress on her if necessary?
we once did some natural horsemanship on a pregnant mare, but modified everything we did and we rested longer and at each slightest try.. took a lot longer, but got done eventually...
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quatro
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Posted on Thursday, Sep 27, 2007 - 11:33 pm:
I saw a special on Monty Roberts and his "join up" with a wild mustang, I think. He chased after this horse for an ungodly amount of time. To prove his point about "joining Up" I had to turn off the special, as I felt that for that horse, it was so much more cruel to run that animal down, not allowing it to rest for I think 36 hours or something.
Did anyone else see that special?
I agree that there are probably better techniques that might work for an older critter.
suz
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Sep 28, 2007 - 12:09 am:
I believe she was just asking about join-up. I think she had heard about it thru some of her friends. I dont think she would do it - as she doesnt ride or even really mess with the mare other than basic care. Next time I see her out, I will casually mention the mare is too old.
Everyones answers confirmed how I felt about it too. thanks guys
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dtranch
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Posted on Friday, Sep 28, 2007 - 8:42 am:
Frank Bell's 7 Step Safety System .....
The beauty of this system is that there is no mindless round penning waiting for the horse to finally give in and "join up".
The first step is called "Bonding" ... just take the love directly to the horse and ask nothing in return. It is the best "join up" you will ever experience.
Of course you all knew I would say that .. right.
DT
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DrO
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 - 8:15 am:
Hello Everyone,
Just to bring a little balance back to this discussion I have observed "Joining Up" being used successfully and used it myself. It is not for every horse but there are cases where it is invaluable. I have been asked to work on several horses through the years that could not be caught by the owners and found this system changed a horse that would turn and run into one that would face and approach me. The process took less than 30 minutes with horses that have not been abused, just not handled. And for abused or fearful horses in paddocks who refuse to be caught it may take an hour and need to repeated but the end result the same. I have not found a substitute for such cases that did not take days.
DrO
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cgby1
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Posted on Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 - 12:44 pm:
In my case, I had a mare who would, literally, jump in my lap if she spooked. The day that she knocked me off my feet, jumped over me and ran down the trail convinced me that something needed to be done. That was in the early 90's and I found John Lyons "Round Pen Reasoning" tape. After I watched it, I did just the way he showed and in less than 20 minutes the trotting around was done. After another 20 minutes she was at my shoulder, "joined up" and I had her respect. She stopped jumping into me and led without crowding or hanging back. My horses are in a three acre pasture and I have done it out there on foot. Believe me, I got more exercise than they did but it worked. As soon as they realized that all they had to do was stand and face me, I would stop making them move.
Cynthia
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