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Discussion on Leg conformation question
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leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 - 2:59 pm:
DrO
Im was looking at a horse that is very, very well bred with atleast 3 generations of inspected and passed breeding stock relatives. Graded Premium, Dam is considered one of the top of the line Irish Draught broodmares. The Sire passed his RID inspections with excellent scores on conformation.
I just found out that she toes-in on one foot. looks normal at standstill but toes-in at walk. deviation starts at the pasturn. they said it was caused by uterine capacity.
What are your thoughts on this, in general? She is 4 years old, under saddle at w/t/c.
Thanks for your time,
6 weeks
leslie
yearling
probaly 4 yearsold here
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imogen
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 - 4:18 pm:
Leslie
I would be more concerned that this mare looks quite cow-hocked to me. Nothing drastic but not "top of the range". Could just be the photographs (trying to ignore the handler, of course...)
Imogen
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leslie1
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 - 4:53 pm:
Thanks Imogen,
Yea, Please do excuse the half naked guy LOL heres some more pics.
I just really liked this pic, so I thought I'd post it
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terrido
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Posted on Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 - 5:06 pm:
I would ask what your plans would be for her? The toeing in, is it both fores or just the left? Then I would double check with the breed registry to see if this 'flaw' would change her breeding rating/ranking/status, etc. if you do plan to breed. Congenital defect or something that just happened... DrO should give you more on that.
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imogen
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 2:30 am:
Also, having had a grey mare with a brown tail myself, you do realise that if they are in the habit of crapping on their tails you can NEVER get that colour out, don't you? Don't even try!
I think she looks like a lovely mare from the photographs and as I said in separate email, although pigeon toes do tend to inherit and are therefore frowned upon in broodmares, you can usually use corrective trimming and not over-feeding when the youngster is growing fast to control the problem if it is minor.
The resulting animal will probably not be show quality but it will likely be sound with a good action.
So as Terrie says, what are your plans?
Imogen
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DrO
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 8:31 am:
Leslie, I really cannot comment on the horse itself without looking at it in person. However we can talk about the problems you describe in general.
First the idea that someone can look at this mare and diagnose the cause of a confirmational problem is nonsense. It is there, there are many possible causes including genetic and this should be factored in. Straight legs going back to all grandparents does make genetics less likely but not rule it out.
Forget the breeding and grading of the horse's lineage and ask yourself: would this be a problem you would accept in any horse for the use you intend?
DrO
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 9:57 am:
Thanks to all
*Before I knew about the toeing-in* I had planned to use her to hunt with and since her bloodlines were nice, use her to breed a purebred outcross RID.
My flags went up when I found out she had not been presented for inspection yet. When I asked for some video of her front.... thats when they told me about the leg. I posted because I was just curious about their excuse for it...As you only have one reputation. The seller is an Canadian Olympic hopeful.
Such a shame because she is such a pretty mare.
And my search goes on...
Thanks everyone
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canderso
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 10:47 am:
Keep looking, Leslie, there are good ones out there!
There is a public board for Irish Draughts on yahoo - maybe if you post a 'wanted' there?
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 11:43 am:
LOL I just emailed you bout that very thing
L
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Member:
leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 11:46 am:
DrO
Is it the right front?
thanks
L
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Member:
canderso
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 3:43 pm:
One thought came to me: when they said the toeing in originated from the foal's position in the uterus, is it possible they mean she was windswept?
And if so, is it possible she would not have corrected 100%?
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leslie1
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Posted on Friday, Aug 29, 2008 - 8:46 pm:
Hi Cheryl,
tHE seller said she toes-in now. he said when her foot lands at the walk its noticable.
L
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canderso
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Posted on Saturday, Aug 30, 2008 - 7:02 am:
Yes. I am wondering if that COULD be due to her being windswept as a foal, which (I think?) means she would still be suitable for breeding.
But whatever. YOU want to hunt her, so I think the question is whether she is suitable for YOUR needs.
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