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Member: maggienm |
Posted on Friday, Sep 12, 2008 - 5:34 pm: It is soo hard to ask a question when you are not even sure what the question is. It is more like a paragraph.I am trying to teach my mare to accept contact and work long and low. I have learned(am in the process of learning-there is always more to learn) to ride this way over the past few years on different horses and now am trying to teach my lovely mare. I think I made the job harder by using some 'natural' methods in her ground work and got her very responsive to 'give to pressure', (the reward in this is the release so no contact) I think I taught her that contact means to keep trying to find the answer. I read things like 'you have to ride the horse forward into your hand'. 'If you maintain soft steady contact the horse will seek it'. 'When you release the contact a bit the horse should stretch forward seeking it'. Just recently I read about keeping the horse going forward and after a bit the horse will start to stretch down and forward. It made sense as I read it but in practice I can't get it to happen. I think I could ride my arab type mare with a light contact till the cows come home and her neck will never go down on, she wouldn't be able to look around! She never gets tired and hates to go with her neck low. I can ask and she will put her head down, but it pops right back up again. We must look pretty funny going around the field...up & down. If I try to maintain contact she can get heavy and dull, its kinda like-- make contact-she is responsive, light, but she doesn't stay that way, I have to keep changing what we are doing. Like every few steps leg yield, or begin shoulder in, or spiral a circle, some counter bend. She will half halt on one rein but not on the other??? Her stiff side. I try not to nag because she is very willing and I don't want to frustrate her. Ok, before I have a book going I will stop. There are natural training videos that take you through training from the first haltering to more advanced riding step by step, some almost in real time, are there any english equivelants? |
Member: terrido |
Posted on Friday, Sep 12, 2008 - 6:16 pm: Well it may be a lengthy explanation in here. Are there videos to take you step by step in training for english riding styles? I have no idea, though would think there must be somewhere. Course whether they are basic enough to understand is another story.Ok, to begin with - contact. This is such an elusive thing anyway at first. As you are discovering. I think any horse can learn contact and to stay in contact and be light, soft, regardless of previous training, Just may take a bit longer is all. Ok first, you don't want the horse to end up leaning into your hands all the time. So having her already know to give to pressure is probably a good thing. I would start to teach her to stretch forward on a longeline. Use a cavesson not a bridle/bit though. This way you can teach her to move forward and the stretch will happen. I could probably write a small book on how to accomplish this! haha Seriously if you want these details because you do not understand how to make this happen, email me privately. Once you have her understanding that she can move forward and stretch out and down then you can try to encourage from within the saddle. At first you will want to accomplish this without 'contact' being contact, if that makes any sense. What I have been taught to do with a green horse is to fix my hands at all times. I position them and never move them from that spot. Of course rein length must be adjusted according to the work being asked, etc. You can link little fingers around a grab strap, you can rest against the pommel, etc. just find a position that's correct and comfy and keep your hands there. This will help the horse believe it or not. They can then find that comfort spot and relax. this then becomes the beginnings of contact. From here being able to have a fixed hand, allow rein out and have horse follow the bit down in a stretched manner, this is hat you are after to begin with. If you can give your hands forward and downward and the horse follows, she is "on contact". To gain more contact from this point, I begin at halt. Again this would take a small book to explain in detail. The other piece you asked about was the half halt. if your half halts are not coming through on one side then she is stiff, tense and blocking you. I would concentrate on that side initially then during every work session. I use KM's method to begin half halts. To have them come through fully and correctly they come through your seat. And again to explain in detail would be a small book! haha As to keeping contact, that of course takes time. She will have it and lose it, that's normal especially at first. Again riding with a fixed hand should help her (and you) maintain contact a bit better. What you are looking for is more self carriage though, again, you do not want her to lean into your hands. She must be well on your aids, very forward, "in front of your leg", etc. or you'll be carrying her with your hands. She's too large for you to hold up! haha Her job is to carry herself and you. A small bit of wisdom for you from a very wise horseman: "on the bit" happens when poll is relaxed; the poll is directly connected to the hocks. The more active the hocks, the more the poll relaxes. (my trainer, Don Paulhus) Anyway Lori, if you would like the details, just email me. |
Member: lhenning |
Posted on Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 - 10:43 pm: Lori,The natural method you have used does work in teaching contact. You have taught your horse to lower her head when you ask, but you need to up the anty. Increase the length of time she must keep her head lowered before giving her release. That way she learns to stay low for longer periods of time. OK, that teaches her to lower her head but you still need to have forward movement to get self carriage. I work on the two separately, then put it together. Get her moving off your leg at the speed you dictate and for as long as you say. Do this without worrying about where her head is. Then ask for both together, but only for a few steps. Reward her. It takes time to build the muscles for self carriage and a few great steps are much better than many poor ones. The key to vertical flexion is lateral flexion. Your horse must be soft, relaxed, and bendable which is accomplished by doing a lot of circling, serpentines, flexing and disengaging the hindquarters. Make sure you time your release to exactly when she softens in her bend. I do not have an Arab, but have heard they naturally carry their heads higher than say a quarter horse. A natural head set is my goal, but I do not know how that plays out in your goals. If you are asking your horse to carry her head in a manner that is difficult for her, then it will take a long time for her to build the muscles to manage that. |
Member: maggienm |
Posted on Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 - 5:10 pm: Ok, thanks, I think I have a mental block concerning this.Both posts have helped. will spend a week trying to work it through and reevaluate. Thanks again. |